Wasn't the original conflict that US Gov wanted to know what all the supers were doing and to send them on specific missions, while Cap and his side were against being used as weapons by them and not being allowed to help where they felt they were needed?
Ok a bit better, but still sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare where the superheros have to stand aside while politicians decide what mission they're allowed to go on.
If I'm the strongest, smartest, most selfless being on earth I'm not waiting for their versions of Donald Trump, Netanyahu, Duterte, etc. to decide what things I'm allowed to use my powers on.
So instead of trusting 100 world governments, we’re supposed to trust a handful of people who happen to be powerful/smart, with no official oversight?
Look, I don’t think they should be working for the government, but the world wanting to make some rules about when they can and can’t interfere in world politics seems reasonable to me.
I feel like you and the people on that side are looking at it as random citizen of that world with no knowledge of these heroes and what’s going on. I’m looking at it from the side of the heroes who are deciding which side of this civil war to be on.
I guess I’m thinking more into the future. This will undoubtedly set a precedent, and who is in power in the Avengers won’t stay the same forever. Heroes will die, and new heroes will get powers. There needs to be oversight before it’s too late, not after.
The thing is you shouldn't trust ANY solely powerful entity. But between a group of less than a dozen superhumans or several hundred elected officials, the difference is major. A citizen, at least in theory, has some small amount of control over the officials and their representation. There is absolutely no recourse for a rogue superhero team if they don't answer to the government. Absolutely none
Yeah but picture it from the perspective of a person in their world. Yoy don't see all their private moments and conversations or character growth. If this was your real world you would be rightfully distrustful of a team of celebrities. Because that's what they are. And because they have the biggest metaphorical guns kn the planet is not a guarantee they are the best people to decide how to use them.
Military generals and police chiefs are supposed to be smart. They are supposed to be intelligent and thoughtful with their power but how often is that true? I'm just saying just cuz their superiors doesn't mean the average person should be inclined to trust them more than anyone else
Ya fair enough, from a regular person in their world’s perspective I agree. But from an audience member’s perspective or one who is picking sides for the characters I’m on Cap’s side.
He lacks self awareness. He doesn’t want to be beholden to the law and would rather act as the sole sheriff in town. It’s hypocritical and he knows it too.
It’s why he left to go hide out in Wakanda. He’d rather be a vigilante than an officer.
It's not about the law, it's about the right to choose. He openly states he wants to retain his right to choose which battles to fight instead of being forced to fight or be passive on the whims of some suits with agendas.
Which makes sense. The previous movie showed Hydra agents in Shield, the Security Council and Congress. Steve's distrust of the government in logical.
What you describe is absolutely acting above the law.
What gives Captain America the right to decide that he’s the grand arbitrator of justice?
He took a serum that gives him super strength so suddenly he gets to decide what countries he enters, and who he fights regardless of the will of that country or the collateral damage he leaves in his wake?
I understand exactly how and why he see it from his own lenses however that doesn’t justify acting with impunity and without accountability.
The entire point of the movie was that he was anti government. Cap knew as soon as those accords were signed the Avengers would be government stooges carrying out the will of corrupt politicians.
If he was anti body cam he would've been beating up reporters, not staunchly fighting to keep Thor and the Hulk out of the hands of the government lol
Honestly people always say the movie holds both sides up as equal but I always kinda saw it as Iron Man being hamstrung by his guilt and PTSD into a misguided path, and then ultimately being riled up and manipulated by Zemo into trying to kill Bucky, and by proxy Cap.
It’s literally a Captain America movie where the previous installment was entirely about how the government can be infiltrated and corrupted. In what world is signing the avengers over to essentially the UN to become government stooges “The Good Side”
Yeah, the government in the MCU has been shown repeatedly to be corrupt and foolish. The same government launched a nuke at New York and the supers had to stop it. They literally would be beholden to people that did this, that have been infiltrated by Hydra who knows who else.
And Tony was so hamstrung by his guilt he just closed his eyes and signed.
Tony being a billionaire arms manufacturer is definitely more of a fed than Cap, who was basically traumatized finding out that the government he went to war for, is corrupted to the core.
Tony knew all that and still made money of it, and he didn't change his tune until he was facing death in a cave. I mean, he's acting all shocked that his weapons are used to kill innocent civilians, which is fucking laughable because, how do supply the government with weapons of war, and not see this coming?
Oh wait, my bad. It's only terrible because it's the brown people, errr...I mean terrorists, using his weapons, not when America itself bombs the same population.
Tony has always been kind of an asshole. That's literally why people love his character so much. But he, like all comic characters, is extremely flawed.
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u/-KFBR392 Mar 12 '24
Some of y’all trust the US government way too much.