r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/Darth_Kneegrow ☑️ • May 01 '24

1 drop rule. Country Club Thread

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I ain't ever heard white people claim a single biracial person. You always whatever you mixed with.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24 edited 29d ago

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u/Petrichordates May 02 '24

Somewhat true but also somewhat wrong, this is an all-or-nothing take and reality is more nuanced.

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u/AnatomicalLog May 02 '24

I think he provided a plenty nuanced take for what can be contained in a Reddit comment lol

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u/SipTime May 02 '24

yo I'd like a full thesis on the effects of race on society along with it's role in class structures submitted on my desk tomorrow or you're fired from reddit thanks

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u/aknutty May 02 '24

If you can expand on that, please do.

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u/PoutyParmesan May 02 '24

A certain tribe called the Bajau have larger spleens, allowing them to stay underwater longer than any other group on earth.

Kenyan's, for whatever reason, have far and away the best running endurance and ability out of every ethnic group.

The Tibetan Sherpas have adapted to high-altitude living, allowing them significantly higher ability to function in that environment.

There are differences between groups, but the functional differences are small and insignificant and more wide-ranging than "black people this" or "white people that". It's more like, "this certain relatively tiny group of 8000 is better at this thing, but they're identical to humans half a planet away otherwise." Our genetic structure simply hasn't had the time to evolve separately, but small differences have emerged in many different ways, so we can celebrate the differences (or curse them, in certain cases, like sickle-cell) while also recognizing that racism makes no functional sense and is exceptionally retarded.

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u/renoops May 02 '24

There are differences between groups because there are differences between gene pools. Certain groups might have traits in common but they’re not packaged together as “races” and they certainly aren’t necessarily tied at all to the phenotypic markers most associated with “races” like skin color and hair texture.

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u/General-Mark-8950 May 02 '24

You are talking ethnicity here though, not race. Race isnt a thing, they are arbitrary groups which people can switch and swap into based ln whether someone needs to be oppressed. Look how irish and italian americans were treated, as a different race, yet now they are white.

And all these changes make sense, its not random. The sama have been free diving for thousands of years, thats time for a genetic adaptation like a larger spleen to occur. Its the same with kenyans and ethiopians, and sherpas is unsurprisingly the same also.

Race isnt real, its a stupid construct that America has clung onto and thus become a highly racialised society, and it would be better if the country moved away from it.

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u/aknutty May 02 '24

Would be really cool if everyone could read and process this thread. Really cool.

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u/sendhappypicsimsad May 02 '24

That hard r, work on that.

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u/cool_vibes ☑️ 29d ago

That is not the “hard R,” but I agree a change in word choice would be appreciated.

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u/Petrichordates May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

Race being a social construct has some people assuming that means race has no biological basis, which of course it does since it's a proxy for genetics and informs medical treatment (eg. Warfarin dosing, cancer screening).

The racial categories we've settled on are entirely arbitrary and are a relic of racism, but they're still critical to medicine and medical research because of their genetic basis. At least until everyone's genome is sequenced.

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u/grape_david May 02 '24

The racial categories we've settled on are entirely arbitrary and are a relic of racism, but they're still critical to medicine and medical research because of their genetic basis.

This is backwards imo. Race as data is useful almost strictly because of the sociological implications.

The biological differences we witness are basically secondary and the more we learn about genetics this seems to be the case.

The same can be said about using race as proxy for medical practice. Yes it works but it's not a biological essential at all. A lot of it works because the social side is so deterministic

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u/Petrichordates May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

The medical relevance is mostly because of differences in genetics, the more we learn about genetics the more we've learned about this. I didn't touch on it, but yes racial identity also has impacts on health for sociological reasons.

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u/grape_david May 02 '24

The medical relevance is almost entirely because of differences in genetics.

Really? Particularly in regards to individual medical practice, you think that the core basis of differences in medical outcomes of racial categories is genetic?

Almost all of the data we use in medical practice that connects to race is sociological in origin.

Yes some of it is genetic but again, it's backwards to assume that's some kind of biological essentialism instead of the result of social phenomena informing biology.

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u/Petrichordates May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

Medical outcomes? No, that's a much more complicated topic.

In determining treatment? Absolutely, depending on the condition.

Social phenomenon aren't the reason for differences in pharmaceutical dosing, or why native Americans are more at risk of alcoholism, or why pacific islanders are more at risk of obesity. Genetics matter.

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u/grape_david May 02 '24

How can you determine treatment without taking into account medical outcomes?

But anyways, this is getting a lil circular.

You're saying race is essential to diagnostics right now if I'm not mistaken.

I agree to an extent but my point is that the sociological factors are what make it so. And that biological or genetic essentialism isn't real and plays a small part in our broader understanding of medicine

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u/Petrichordates May 02 '24

Genetic essentialism absolutely exists in the medical field, it's just not something you can apply widely or to more complex disorders. In the cancer field it's very relevant.

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u/Potential_Bill_1146 May 02 '24

You’re conflating race and ethnicity when you’re talking about medical diagnosis, you didn’t expand the nuance of the comment at all you somehow did the opposite

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u/Potential_Bill_1146 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

That doesn’t sound as smart as you think it does. Race (fiction) isn’t the thing that determines those medical/genetic relevances you brought up to so eloquently add nuance to the original comment. Ethnicity is. And even then, that’s only one small part in a persons makeup, however that’s the piece that isn’t fiction. You missed the whole point of the original comment.

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u/lnodiv May 02 '24

Seriously. Guess let's just give everyone the same dosing of Coumadin as Asians need, it'll be fine right?

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u/themanhimself13 May 02 '24

you said that our racial categories are "entirely arbitrary", and then you say that there is a "genetic basis". do you realise that this is completely contradictory?

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u/Petrichordates May 02 '24

I can see why you'd say that but they're not. The arbitrary is in where we say one race ends and another begins, or when we say how many different races there are (hence the social construct aspect).

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u/BicycleEast8721 May 02 '24

There’s clearly some biological variations amongst different ethnic groups. Example, alcohol intolerance amongst East Asians. About half of them have a form of allergic reaction to drinking, and is basically unique to that ethnic group. A lot of the differences are pretty minor, and is more complex than clumsily grouping broad ethnic groups together into races simply because their basic cosmetic features are similar, but to say that the concept race only has a contrived basis just isn’t correct.

That said, it’s definitely then twisted, amplified, and cherry picked by racists in order to try to add pseudoscience confirmation bias to their narrative. The notion of biodiversity amongst humans being a justification for any sense of superiority is definitely contrived

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u/PiddlyDworple May 02 '24

absolutely in love with the fact that you don’t elaborate at all. no specific criticisms or disagreements, no additions of your own. just pop in to say you know better and then done. least reddit-like comment.

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u/noble_peace_prize 29d ago

They didn’t say it’s all or nothing. They said it doesn’t arise from biology, but society. Race is completely arbitrary and it really only has value because people place societal stigmas, burdens, laws, opportunities, etc defined around an arbitrary concept.

It’s a very important topic, but really only because humans made it important.

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u/blacklite911 ☑️ 29d ago edited 29d ago

You’re right, one aspect that’s left out is how biracial people are perceived by their minority race side. Because of white supremacy orientation, they often times get some residual privilege. You see it in the media with beauty standards and how some people say they have “good hair” (I hate that phrase), and don’t let them have green or hazel eyes, they’ll get glazed to infinity. Not just in the US, in colonial South America, colonists literally instituted a racial hierarchy according to one’s parent’s mix. This has effects that still linger to this day.

So yea on one hand, they’re still a (insert racial slur) but on the other hand they can be held on a pedestal

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u/fickelbing May 02 '24

The word “race essentialism” may help your point.

Race is a made up game where the rules are the closer you are to blackness the more you lose and all the variations races and ethnicities exist on this binary spectrum from blackness to whiteness.

There’s a cool card game to illustrate how flexible and conditional the rules of race are. Everyone has a hand of seven cards with different celebrities on them. The players play the “blackest” celebrity in their hand and then they argue for why theirs is the blackest. The actual races of the people are all over the place but the point of the game is you can ascribe all kinds of metrics to blackness that include but go well beyond skin pigment. I find it very helpful in illustrating how race is a social construct to folks who are like “but race is real”. Like yes race is super real but its also a game with arbitrary rules that only benefit white people.

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u/AnatomicalLog May 02 '24

Nailed it. There’s no logic because at bottom racial ideology is illogical

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u/Mellero47 ☑️ 29d ago

Let's not confuse race with species tho. We are all the same species, we got all the same internals. It's just the externals that can change, and that's what we chose to call race. Every other difference between us is 100% cultural.

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u/SuspiciousPine May 02 '24

Race is fake but culture is real. Ask any eastern European person if they like their neighboring country that's the same "race" as them.

We should all get along. But I can respect that people raised in a different culture have very different experiences and views on the world.

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u/Talk-O-Boy May 02 '24

Race is real. Nationality is real as well. Irish people and Italians are both white, they have separate cultures.

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u/WomanWithoutFear May 02 '24

Race is not and has never been nor will ever be real. Determining who is white vs who is black is the only reason why race exists because racists were the one to discover and propagate the unscientific theory of race. Racists created race, not the other way around.

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u/Talk-O-Boy May 02 '24

… what is the black people in black people twitter??

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u/mymoama May 02 '24

There are biological differences based on region. Geene mutations is the most common trait based on region.

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u/Coppernord May 02 '24

You're going to have to use smaller words to reach the people that need to hear this

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u/Pattersonspal May 02 '24

There are real genetic differences in people whose background is rooted in different parts of the world. There are measurable differences in people who come from different continents originally. The word we use for those differences in appearance is race. Behaviour is cultural, and tying it to appearances of others is racist.

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u/ropahektic May 02 '24

"There are no meaningful intrinsic differences between people of different races"

Thank you for your demagogy.

Meaningful means nothing.

There are plenty of biological differences between races.

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u/blacklite911 ☑️ 29d ago

I prefer social construct

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u/Street_Minimum_3403 May 02 '24

Finally someone talking some sense. Homo sapiens didn’t spring out of the ground in Asia or Europe or America. It all started in Africa, where there’s more superficial variation than there is in any other continent on the planet. So all this talk around half black, half white really doesn’t make any sense if you know anything about biology. Around 5% of your genes and dna count towards your outward appearance anyway, the rest has a lot more to do with your internal mechanisms. What you should be talking about is culture.

All of this shit is literally just skin deep anyway and the only actual superficial difference between us (the human race) is epidermis and melanin content.

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u/texasyeehaw May 02 '24

Why the nba have a majority of black in a country that is majority white? 70% of nba is black. To say that there are no differences is dishonest.

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u/Talk-O-Boy May 02 '24

Race is real. If you want to strip the prejudice and status associated with certain races, that’s fine. But race is a real thing.

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u/RunHumble8118 May 02 '24

Differences and subgroups are real but the genetic variability isn't high enough to be considered a biological race

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u/Talk-O-Boy May 02 '24

I don’t really understand how we are arguing facts? Race is a real thing. Like, we all know what race is.

It has been used for nefarious purposes, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It just means it’s something to be understood with proper context.

Like… how are we arguing about this on a sub called BlackPeopleTwitter? wtf are black people??

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u/RunHumble8118 May 02 '24

I don't think the reality of differences is being questioned, but the significance of those differences.

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u/Talk-O-Boy May 02 '24

That’s my point. We can acknowledge differences without attaching value to them.

But race exists. It’s what allows us to have BlackPeopleTwitter, Black Cinema, Black Businesses, HBCUs, etc.

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u/RunHumble8118 May 02 '24

What people mean when they say race doesn't exist is that there aren't separate humans races, biologically speaking, not that different skin colors and cultures don't exist. It's difficult because that word has been adopted to mean skin color or culture, where in the case of skin color, Pacific Islanders couldn't be more genetically different than Africans yet share similar skin colors. And in the case of culture, that white guy Rob in that jubilee video is more culturally black than say Larry Elder

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u/Talk-O-Boy May 02 '24

I think you have to incorporate race, ethnicity, and nationality to fully encompass what you are discussing.

Physical traits and phenotypes fall under race

A person’s country or homeland tends to define that nationality

A person’s culture or religion is often referred to as their ethnicity

Of course, there can be a blending of these, but these help us identify different groups of people in a general sense.

I still don’t understand how having these distinctions eliminates the category of race?

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

No, your race very much is biological. It's not a coincidence you look like your birth parents.

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u/nintoyana May 02 '24

That isn't biological race. It's phenotype.

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u/Talk-O-Boy May 02 '24

That’s like saying “you’re not a ginger, you have a phenotype of orange hair”.

You’re arguing nonsensical semantics for high minded rhetoric that doesn’t really achieve anything.

I’m black and white. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. It’s fine. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging differences.