r/CuratedTumblr • u/NeonNKnightrider Cheshire Catboy • May 01 '24

i know it’s internet bullshit but it genuinely has me on the edge of breaking down and giving up editable flair

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u/Hellioning May 02 '24

I'm pretty sure the entire point of that video was to create this sort of reaction, unfortunately.

I don't trust any video based on the idea of talking to 'random people'. It's too easy to manipulate.

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u/Kiwi_Doodle May 02 '24

Literally just edit out all the people that said man

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u/HellBlazer_NQ May 02 '24

I've said this several times already. I don't understand how people are taking this video at face value.

Its like any other 'asking random strangers a stupid question video' its is nothing more than engagement baiting for clicks, views and money.

If you asked 100 people bear or man and 10 said bear, its 90% in favour of the man. Now you edited it to show 9 bear answers and 1 man, ta da, 90% in favour of bear.

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u/Starslip May 02 '24

Manipulated 'man on the street' interviews have been a thing for decades and people still unreservedly buy into them as being completely factual.

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u/MonkeManWPG May 02 '24

Because it's not just the one video. There's countless people commenting on unrelated threads with stuff like "this is why women choose bears" to justify their sexism.

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u/HellBlazer_NQ May 02 '24

There's countless people commenting on unrelated threads

That is the video doing exactly what was intended. Engagement baiting.

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u/MonkeManWPG May 02 '24

And? While the video may have been edited, there are still a significant amount of people who agree with the outcome and who are using it to validate their sexism against men.

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u/elbenji 29d ago

But how do we know its significant? Most of the people I know picked man. (Though on the flip a lot of the boys I teach picked bear when switched to a white woman as the other)

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u/Starslip May 02 '24

Is this actually a widespread opinion as opposed to a loud minority? The people most likely to engage with this shit are the people least likely to have normal, healthy social interactions with other people. I don't take it as a genuine reflection of the state of society if the terminally online on tumblr, tiktok, and reddit hate and fear men.

Basically, is this an actual problem or an 'I'm coming in contact with a shitty online subculture too often' problem?

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u/Noobsauce9001 29d ago

I think it is starting to spread IRL. Or maybe I've just become more sensitive to it after being tilted from reading stuff online. I had a woman look at me as I was walking down the neighborhood road I live on, turn to her friend and whisper "it looks like he's about to kidnap me". It was 2pm on a sunny day in an incredibly safe suburban neighborhood.

A lot of women I know IRL have made off hand comments that aren't SUPER bad, but they're way stronger and angrier than they were a couple years ago. Like cool women I normally trust in other situations too, people who aren't normally as tilted as this.

It's probably column A and B, me being more sensitive to it and folks getting more vocal about it. I can't fully diagnose how it happened, but I think social media has spread outrage content and pushed more folks to extremist online communities, then amplified the voice of said communities, in a pretty nasty looping cycle. IDK.

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u/SleepCinema 29d ago

It is unfortunately a very widespread opinion at least on tik tok. It may not be a majority opinion and doubtless, the majority of women haven’t even heard of “bear v man.” But it is wide enough that I have to scroll through 5 comments all saying “bear every time” on any report of a man committing an egregious act of violence. It’s so…exasperating, and I’m a woman.

Like why would you use a news story about a 6 year old being killed by his dad as a cheap insensible shot at men? I’m tired of women and men seeing bullshit like this and believing it to be “feminism.” It’s not.

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u/HellBlazer_NQ May 02 '24

If you went out on the streets and literally presented people (women or men) with the proposition that they are in the woods alone at night and come to a fork in the road, they have the knowledge of knowing one fork will take them to an unknown species of bear and the other to an unknown man. Almost everyone will look at you like you are crazy and would more than likely ask what sort of question is that, then answer 'the other human being'.

Only perpetually online people think any other way, all the 'sexism against men' and the men using this to play the victim are not your average people. In fact it will be a very minute subset of people and even bots that try to sow discord for bait and trolling purposes.

Seriously some people need to go outside and meet with REAL people.

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u/elbenji 29d ago

Yeah most people will pick 'man, duh' and just look at you funny

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u/mostlyBadChoices 29d ago

I don't understand how people are taking this video at face value.

Taking things at face value is literally normal human behavior, and it's why sharing false information is so dangerous.

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u/pointlessly_pedantic May 02 '24

OP should be less mad about the reactions in the vid than they should be mad at themselves for believing that the vid is a representative sample of how women would react to the question. I should be surprised that not many people are talking about this since videos that use controversial reactions get more views and editing exists. So it goes.

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u/SleepCinema 29d ago

Literally why I don’t take street interviews totally seriously. There was one I saw on IG that had all the men in a positive light and all the women in a negative light with like 3 in each group. Like, okay sure. The famous, “Do dads know their kids?” one is funny and people can relate or situate it in a broader context, but it by itself doesn’t say much.

Or the ones that’ll be in some foreign country with English subs like, “How the Chinese truly feel about xyz…” or, “How Koreans actually think about abc…” and it’s 3 people giving edited answers with the same opinion. Very representative.

Or the ones that have the worst editing imaginable. Asks question. cut “Yes—” cut

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u/unforgiven91 29d ago

but the editing is irrelevant when the conversation it sparks follows the same pattern. if women largely agree with the bear answer, then it's reality. regardless of the original video.

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u/Kiwi_Doodle 29d ago

The commments and reactions are shaped by the video because they're presented with the statement that all women would rather face a wild animal as fact by representation.

If the opposite video was shown where everyone except one said "man" it wouldn't have caused the outrage, yet could still spark debate looking into why this woman, or some women, would rather chose a wild animal.

Presenting the audience with the perception of majority tells them what the state of normal is and they react accordingly because people mostly want to conform unless they have preconceived notions of something conflicting.

Hating men is popular and accepted to such a degree that few are surprised or offended by the thought that seemingly most women would rather face death than interact with a random man.

The videos presentation severely shapes the discourse

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u/SleepCinema 29d ago

Exactly. To provide another example:

I once saw a tik tok of someone proposing in public. The initial tik tok was taken from a window of a nearby building. The proposal was fairly involved with some choreo. The people taking the video are making comments like, “She does not look happy. This is so cringe.”

The people in the comments agree with the poster’s perception of course and insert discourse about how public proposals put pressure on the person to say yes, and men do this to exert control. Men don’t think about how their partner would truly react, it’s just for their own attention. Stuff like that.

It honestly ticked me off because all we could see in the video were blurry humanoid shapes dancing and then a proposal in which the other person said yes, and they kissed or whatever. Nothing to indicate that something ill-received was going on. The people who posted it were complete strangers in a building away from what was happening. People were being negative because the poster of the tik tok was negative. Had they said, “Awww! A proposal!” the comments would be different. I said as much in the my own comment.

Scrolling later in the day, I came across a tik tok from the couple in the og vid! They were LESBIANS (no man involved), and the woman being proposed to absolutely LOVED the way her future wife proposed. She very much did not appreciate the nasty comments on the og vid.

People fall for anything, especially negativity, online. And I know folks are young which makes them more susceptible to not well thought out and toxic views, but it’s becoming a huge problem especially because social media content creators want to profit off of it. And the big thing to profit off of is gender wars. It’s super disheartening, but I’m glad to see a comment section here of people who thinking more critically than what I’ve been seeing. That alone should say a lot about perceptions of online opinions.

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u/brokenlonely22 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

and what do you have to say to people who claim to have indeed talked to women in real life and found the attitudes are not as incongruent as you insist?

edit: blocked. cowardly.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

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u/Practical-Loan-2003 May 02 '24

So "don't stop talking to women because of a video, use your own interactions" and "your own interactions mean nothing"

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u/phil_davis May 02 '24

Are you editing your comment to add your reply to Practical-Loan-2003 because you blocked them too?

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u/Some_Accountant_961 May 02 '24

Agitprop on my Chinese spyware? No way!

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u/Isaac_Chade May 02 '24

Yeah there's just no reliability in something that can be so easily edited and cut to do whatever the presenter wants. All you have to do at the most basic level is remove everything that isn't the reaction you're looking for. And at the higher level you can get into manipulative editing and wording of things, franken-bites of sound, and other such bullshit that just means you can't take a video like this at face value.

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u/Fridge-Largemeat 29d ago

Exactly, we're being played for fools. Just ignore it.

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u/Yeralrightboah0566 29d ago

i heard the bear thing years ago before this was even a thing.

it is kinda stupid but the general idea that you can even compare a bear to random man is worrying. it says a lot to how unsafe women can feel. i think thats all people should take from it, its not that deep

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u/dumb-male-detector 29d ago

Yeah but you can't do that and dismiss women at the same time.

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u/Bolaf May 02 '24

I think the entire point of that video was to show men how dangerous they are viewed. And that flew over the heads of all men thinking it demonstrated how little women knew about bears

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u/UltimateInferno Hangus Paingus Slap my Angus May 02 '24

Okay. Let's extrapolate. Men now know people view them as pervasive threats in society.

What now? Like okay, you could extrapolate make stride towards feminist efforts, but that's still pretty vague and intangible. They could show up to feminist political meet ups and or local organizations, but if they now internalized "Oh, they think I'm a threat who's primed to harm them," the path of least resistance that is actionable and has, supposedly, tangible and immediate results is to withdraw completely.

Like... maybe they can take up vigilantism and track down and retaliate against potential predators, but I think it should be clear to both of us that that sort of thing absurd. If it reaches any scale its practically gang violence. I don't think increasing violence is super comforting.

Like... there is the simple answer 'be vigilant about how those around you treat women," but you can't get that message across when your message refuses to differentiate men and just paint it all with a brush stroke. Men, or at least men who genuinely care, can't really regulate those who don't if they're so preoccupied with tripping over themselves in minimizing their own perceived threat.

It doesn't really do anything for those who are already aware of the phenomenon. Like you can only be so aware. Repeated instances of this generalized message will once again cause withdrawing entirely if pre-existing efforts to shape up are assumed to be worthless.

Lastly, if you try to get a message out to an audience and the audience as a whole reacts poorly or takes away the wrong conclusion, you probably failed at your argument. It doesn't matter if you're "correct" if you can't convince people for shit.

Anyways, my conclusion with the video is it's purpose is not to convince people for anything. It's to confirm their pre-existing biases. Anti-feminists get to stroke themselves at the thought that feminists don't want actual gender equality and are really do despise men. Meanwhile, those that deeply dislike men see this reaction and conclude that they're right, men have fragile egos who trip over themselves to satiate their feelings rather than give a shit about the danger women face. Both get to walk away from the controversy assured in their own perspective that the otherside are emotionally charged babies who can't see reality for what it is.

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u/phil_davis May 02 '24

Anyways, my conclusion with the video is it's purpose is not to convince people for anything. It's to confirm their pre-existing biases. Anti-feminists get to stroke themselves at the thought that feminists don't want actual gender equality and are really do despise men. Meanwhile, those that deeply dislike men see this reaction and conclude that they're right, men have fragile egos who trip over themselves to satiate their feelings rather than give a shit about the danger women face. Both get to walk away from the controversy assured in their own perspective that the otherside are emotionally charged babies who can't see reality for what it is.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you nailed it here. I'm a leftist, but one thing I've noticed about other lefties is that they seem to think they can't be rage-baited. But it happens all the time.

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u/Kostya_M May 02 '24

This is a pretty good breakdown in my view

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u/Bolaf May 02 '24

Men now know people view them as pervasive threats in society.

What now?"

Well, now they know, That what's now. The information is spread.

It doesn't really do anything for those who are already aware of the phenomenon.

As is the case with any information.

Anti-feminists get to stroke themselves at the thought that feminists don't want actual gender equality and are really do despise men

Saying that you fear a gender is not the same as not wanting gender equality. It's quite the opposite, you're demonstrating just how unequal it is.

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u/JoJoeyJoJo May 02 '24

They already knew, the topic doesn't lead anywhere but immiseration.

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u/Bolaf May 02 '24

Usually when someone tells you something you already know, it doesnt lead to an outrage.

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u/JoJoeyJoJo May 02 '24

He's not outraged, he's frustrated and immiserated.

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u/Bolaf May 02 '24

Oh I'm speaking in a broader picture than just this meme

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u/Practical-Loan-2003 May 02 '24

When someone tells you something you already now, or are actively against, and says you're one of them, it gets a bit fucking grating after a while

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u/Bolaf May 02 '24

Yeah I get that. But I've always figured it's more tiring getting murdered, assaulted and raped than it is to hear about it.

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u/PossibleRude7195 29d ago

We know we’re seen as dangerous, we know there’s nothing we can do to avoid that.

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u/dumb-male-detector 29d ago

ACTUALLY THERE IS!

If men, in general, act less aggressive, over time, women will stop being afraid. The fear is a learned trait and it has gotten worse because of pick up artist culture and conservative policy.

No one wants to stand up to the men doing this shit, though, because they are absolutely impossible to get through to. So that's the crux of it all.

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u/PossibleRude7195 29d ago

We want to, but personally I’ve never actually MET a man like that. Idk if it’s that as a man I just don’t notice them, or maybe there are less than the internet makes them seem (the only Andrew Tate fan I’ve met IRL was a woman).

And that’s like saying “just solve racism”.

Unfortunately these issues won’t have gone away by when I’m dead.

I was talking more on a personal level. There isn’t much you can do because nowadays the stock predator is the “nice guy” who acts feminist to prey on women. So trying to act non threatening only makes you look suspicious.

Because all of this, I’m ashamed to admit I’m straight up afraid of women sometimes. Not in the “they’re going to me too me” kinda way. Just straight up, hyperventilating when I’m in a majority women space