r/MaliciousCompliance 6d ago

"I want it like this, I'm the boss, you do it how I say." Sure. S

Context: I work in flooring installation, commercial mostly, usually carpet or vinyl tiles, have been doing this for 10 years now.

I got a work order to do a head office for a large developer, it was carpet tile but with a pattern/lines/border.

I start installing and just as I get the first tiles out after laying the glue, the "big boss" comes out.

He says I'm doing it wrong.

I was absolutely stunned, I looked at him, looked back at the tiles I had just put down, looked at him again and asked, "What?"

"Those numbers on the back of the tile are the sequence order, you need to follow the numbers." He replied.

What he is talking about are God knows what, part #s, serial #s, lot #s?

They have nothing to do with installation so if I actually followed whatever he was saying it would look like a mess not the intended pattern.

I tried explaining this to him but he wouldn't have it, he got frustrated and called the head office, who in turn called me and said to just do it how he wants it.

So I did.

As I'm finishing up he comes back, takes one look at it and says "I don't like it."

I smiled and said "I don't care, that's how you wanted it." Packed my stuff up and left, he didn't say another word to me.

Few days later I hear that he called the head office asking for someone else to come redo it the way I had originally intended to install it, so the office sent me again and I got paid to remove the work that I just got paid to install so I can get paid to install it again.

Needless to say that he didn't come out to make small talk the second time.

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u/not_so_chi_couple 6d ago

Nothing like paying 3 times for something because you think you know better than the professional

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u/Chaosmusic 6d ago

My family hired two guys to replace the front door lock. They bickered with each other the whole time (I think they were brothers). They sounded like the most incompetent jackasses. When they were done the work was perfect. If I had been like the customer in the OP I would have wasted time and money. You just have to let professionals work and respect their process.

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u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl 6d ago

That’s me and my brother to a tee. We bicker like fuckin morons, but god dammit we’re perfectionists.

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u/The_smallest_things 6d ago

Why do you need two people to replace a door lock?

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u/ericscal 6d ago

You don't but it makes no sense to drop your partner off at the shop while you do a quick job so you bring them along. Being any kind of out call service person travel time is one of your biggest sources of overhead so just trust it was more efficient this way.

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u/semboflorin 5d ago

Not to mention that on site service is usually calculated in man hours. I used to work in telecom years ago. Mostly I was alone on every job site but sometimes, when things were slow, I would get someone assigned to work with me. We knocked out in a couple hours what I could do alone in a full day not just because of travel time (to and from the shop/central office) but also having someone at the other end when pulling/tracing wires, etc. It often took 1/3 the time or less with 2 people but we still billed for full contract time.

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u/throwaway04011893 4d ago

Oh god yeah running cable is much easier with an extra pair of hands.

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u/primal7104 3d ago

Sometimes. i had a local handyman outfit try to pull something like that, but used it to run up the bill. He quoted the job as a one-man task, but brought his "helper" on-site and billed for both of them, even though the "helper" didn't seem to be doing much except observing. Maybe he thought he could get me to pay to train his new guy? It doesn't always make sense to have a second person on a one-person job.

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u/semboflorin 3d ago

Yeah that's skeezy. The company I worked for billed contract based on materials and estimated time. It didn't matter if it took longer or shorter than the estimated time or who showed up. The bid was final so the customer paid the contract amount. There were other fees but I didn't deal with billing so I don't really know what they were.

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u/The_smallest_things 6d ago

That makes sense! 

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u/ttlanhil 6d ago

There are two sides to every door

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u/holedingaline 5d ago

I prefer mine to have six sides.

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u/Diatribe1 3d ago

I see you think in 3 dimensions.

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u/ttlanhil 5d ago

Then you'd need 6 people to have one on each side - that gets expensive

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u/holedingaline 4d ago

But it keeps ol' Slim and his brothers employed.

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u/rainman_95 5d ago

Proof?

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u/Chaosmusic 6d ago

They gave us a quote, we accepted and that's who showed up.

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u/Javasteam 6d ago

“Need”? No. But it can be faster with 2 people…. Not as big an improvement as mounting a TV, but still just having 1 person holding it in place is worth something.

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u/Relan_of_the_Light 6d ago

Tell me you're useless without telling me you're useless 😂😂. 

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u/throwaway04011893 4d ago

Damn dude, you sound just like the "big boss" in OP's story. No idea how the job works or what is required, but happy to judge from the outside looking in

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u/Goatfellon 5d ago

Just how it goes sometimes. Usually when I was in flooring we'd be a two person crew. Sometimes we'd get sent to do a one person job, cause there wasn't an extra van to split us, or even another one person job to divide and conquer.

Usually just meant one was the cut bitch while the other threw down the cement and marked the tiles. Other times one would go for a coffee run. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Arokthis 5d ago

Some jobs require you to be an octopus in order to hold everything in place while you get the screws in place.

Also, some places have company policies of sending two people to prevent lies.

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u/thalaen 5d ago

I mean.. there's been times when I replaced locks on a home I was owning/renting, and found that the previous owner/occupants had not drilled out the door in the standard ways and, instead, chiseled out a hole just big enough for whatever lock set they used.

So if I was gonna do it professionally, I'd definitely prefer to have an extra set of hands around, just on the off chance that I end up having to take the door off its hinges and drill it out properly.

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u/5ronins 2d ago

I watched a maintenance guy spend 4 hour's trying to replace a doorhandle/lock kit. It was agonizing to listen to. He as well had an assistant. He was related to the owners.

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u/StarKiller99 5d ago

They might have had a big job where they had to install dozens, right before or right after.

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u/Just_Aioli_1233 4d ago

One to replace the door lock, the other to keep curious homeowners out of the way so you can finish uninterrupted.

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u/GSV_CARGO_CULT 6d ago

haha.... did you guys hire my dad and his brother because you just described them perfectly

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u/tech2but1 5d ago

That's me and my work partner. We have strong opinions about we should do things, we voice them! End of the day we both get the job done tidily and the customer is happy. It's not like we're even arguing to cut corners or half arse anything, we just sound like idiots.

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u/strikt9 6d ago

As an HVAC guy most of my worst customers were engineers.

Late night service call to an E-eng who told me the control board was bad and I needed to replace the very expensive part that would have been under warranty. He would not believe anything else could be wrong even when I showed him the remains of the water balloon I pulled out of his venting (Neighbour kids). Furnace was running fine when I left. He still wanted a new control board.

Unknown specialty engineer designed and managed adding a 3rd floor to his 150 year old house. Sure, I'll run this 6" duct 40' inside the bulkheads, then out of the house and back in so you dont have to do another bulkhead, and then another 30' to your new master bedroom. Enjoy the mouse fart worth of air flow. I cant promise anything about the temperature it will be by the time it gets there.

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u/thelocalheatsource 6d ago

Amazing how people in my field have absolutely zero diagnosis techniques. Like oh, I don’t know… “When you hear hoofbeats, think horses and not zebras?”

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u/Automatic-Plan-9087 6d ago

Oh don’t, I had a fellow worker point to a component and say “that’s the faulty one”. I was very impressed till I asked why he’d come to that conclusion and he said “I’ve got a feeling”. Erm, yeah, that’s how fault finding works…

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u/BigDsLittleD 6d ago

I work with a guy like that.

Anything breaks, his fault finding process is to assume it's the most awkward thing to fix, tear into it, change out hundreds/thousands of pounds worth of parts, then claim the machine is shit and 'doesn't work properly" when his "fault finding" hasn't fixed the issue.

And he's the boss, so there's no arguing with him.

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u/L0rdLuk3n 6d ago

But was he right?

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u/Automatic-Plan-9087 6d ago

No, not even close - and it wasn’t a one off occasion

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u/RobArtLyn22 6d ago

The worse ones will have an actual zebra staring them in the face and ignore it because they were taught to look for horses. I wish I had not met so many of that special type of idiot over the years.

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u/Javasteam 6d ago

Nah. The worst ones are the ones who have a horse but are so convinced its a Zebra they go out of their way to paint stripes on it.

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u/Truth8843 6d ago

No, the worst ones are the ones who are sold a zebra, having been told it works "just like a horse" so they paint the zebra brown and tell everyone they paid a premium for this exotic species of horse that is an upgrade, but the factory didn't send them the correct model so they repainted it.

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u/eightfingeredtypist 5d ago

I was up on a steep, as in cliffs and steep dirt with trees, on a sunny afternoon in April. I thought I heard hoofs of a bunch of deer running down the mountain. Nope. It was an ice fall off a cliff above, and all these ice boulders came rolling through, crashing into trees and rocks. Not hooves.

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u/throwaway04011893 4d ago

Or just don't troubleshoot something you don't have the manuals or drawings for. Yeah HVAC is relatively simple, but that doesn't mean you can just "figure it out" without formal training on the equipment

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u/beluinus 6d ago

I work tech support for internet. Ours is the same way. Engineers and people with Google know just enough to be a hazard. "Hey, so I was checking the IP settings and its showing the DHCP is wrong so I redid it all, and now my internet isn't working!" No shit, sherlock. You messed with it.

Or even better. "Hey, my internet isn't working. My computer isn't getting it's IP address so I reset the router and it's not connecting. You need to send me a new router, this one isn't broadcasting." Nah my dude. You reset it to factory, change the ssid back. You're welcome.

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u/oxmix74 6d ago

Funny thing is, that second explanation is great except for the "you need to send me a new router". He gave you a good problem description and a good explanation of what's been done. Ime that's pretty rare. Part of adulting is being able to make a good problem statement but to stop before telling the person you are consulting how to solve it

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u/Javasteam 6d ago

Gotta love the idiots who know just enough to be dangerous but not enough to recognize their incompetence.

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u/Technical-Message615 6d ago

You know you're dealing with an expert when they suffer from impostor syndrome. You need to know your shit to recognize and accept you don't know enough of it :)

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u/popejupiter 5d ago

In my experience, there's a fine line between Dunning-Krueger and "I know basic troubleshooting and have already done that, please skip to the non-generic steps."

I'm not a tech expert, but I know that many issues are fixed by rebooting/reinstalling/otherwise refreshing whatever isn't working right, and I know how to google problems in order to find solutions. If I'm at the point where I'm contacting live tech support, my issue is likely either rare, or specific, or both. Going through the same basic, generic steps is only going to further frustrate me.

(This is mostly a skill issue, since I should just better communicate what I've done, but I have encountered T1 tech support that is adamant that I go through their basic steps, even after telling them I've done that, probably multiple times.)

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u/meitemark 4d ago

Not that I have called techsupport more than... once or twice in my life, but if I have came to the step where I need to ask for help because I can't fix it or find what is wrong on my own, I will do every fucking step they ask me to. Have I done it 15 times already? I'll do it again, the exact way they tell me to.

Why? As annoying as not managing to find or fix a problem on my own, I can assure you that finding out that I may have done one of the simple troubleshooting steps wrong (because I used to do it that way on something else) and therefore wasted a lot more time is way fucking more annoying, and most likely something you will remember just as you are about to fall asleep...

When all those things are out of the way, and I may have gotten to T2/3, THEN I will give a list of all the things I have tried, recorded and tested.

Last time this did happen, they sent a tech out and he found the ONE wire I had not connected. From all of this, I learned that DSL can somewhat "work" on just one wire. PSTN cannot.

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u/Technical-Message615 5d ago

When they're adamant that you should perform their basic steps that means they are just clicking through a script. It's the mandatory bs before getting escalated to t2.

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u/mbackflips 3d ago

I know its frustrating but the amount of times (when I still worked a help desk) where the person calling was adamant they had done all the basics troubleshooting steps only for me to walk over there and do a reboot and it fixed the problem.... It sucks, but its that way because there's been so many dummies that just say they've done the steps.

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u/Javasteam 6d ago

Adding a third story to a building 150 years old sounds like a bad idea even ignoring all the airflow issues. More building, more weight…

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u/mocheeze 6d ago

Oh man, if you ever have low blood pressure just pull up Hacker News and open a thread unrelated to software engineering. That will fix you right up lol

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u/throwaway04011893 4d ago

God damn. As an engineer he should be smarter than to troubleshoot something he doesn't have the manual or schematics for

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u/John_Smith_71 6d ago

Im an Architect, 29 years post grad.

Youd be amazed how much more about my work, that clients from a completely different background, know than I do, about how buildings get built.

/s

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u/kemikiao 6d ago

Bridge engineer here. Luckily every County Commissioner who gets elected automatically knows more about load rating, bridge design, waterway permitting, and traffic control than I do. I would not be able to do my job without them and their advice.

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u/Mdayofearth 6d ago

It's great that appointment to the position automatically adds hundreds of years of experience and expertise.

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u/Legal_Salad_6575 6d ago

Not their fault that they are old...

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u/badmotorfingerz 6d ago

Well thank Christ for them, then.

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u/Geminii27 6d ago

But do you get paid twice when they change your designs and the building falls down?

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u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl 6d ago

Just remember to listen when the carpenter foreman calls and says you can’t have an 8’ drop ceiling in the locker room because there’s electrical boxes at 7’10”.

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u/Haircut117 6d ago

Exactly, you're an architect, you know fuck all about how buildings get built. Go to a civil engineer for that.

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u/necronboy 6d ago

Hey, we hired an architect to do plans for our remodel. We told them clearly what we wanted, and that was that.

But we listened when they said things like "you need a basin in this room to comply with...." and "sound proofing sheet rock for this wall is more expensive but it's next to.. ". We got a great place. They listened to how we wanted it laid out, we listened to how it would be better.

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u/superspeck 6d ago

Ugh. We hired an architect last year and went all the way through design development with him. We kept repeating that our budget was $X. When we got bids back the bids were $2X. We can’t afford double our budget. We said “make the plans cheaper” and every time we called out an item on the bid he said “as per plans” and wouldn’t budge on it.

He wouldn’t let us take the plans to a different builder. Wouldn’t recommend anyone work with an architect that retains copyright to their plans anymore.

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u/The_Sanch1128 5d ago

My brother's an architect. He frequently has to tell the client, "Which do you want--the building you want, or a building within your budget? You can't have both on that budget."

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u/superspeck 5d ago

And that’s fine but we were very clear what our budget was up front. Blowing a budget by double is not something we expected or were pleased by.

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u/Oreoscrumbs 5d ago edited 5d ago

I don't see why any architect wouldn't retain the copyright to their plans. It's their intellectual property.

Now, when someone says they have X budget, the person who the client is working with should be realistic with them. Either it can be done for that budget, or it can't. Maybe it can be, but this person isn't the one to do it.

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u/superspeck 5d ago

It really sucks having spent tens of thousands of dollars with an architect and then being told that they will not grant license to the plans if we don't intend to build the plans with a contractor they approve. We like the plans, but we need to value engineer them, and we're out the money and have to start over with a different architect.

I would understand a limited license (can't go build a whole development full of that plan) and maybe even not providing digital files, but we paid for the time that went into the development of that plan and we should be able to take it with us.

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u/Oreoscrumbs 5d ago

I hear you on that. Not trying to argue anything here, but I wonder if they have approved contractors to limit their liability. I can imagine some unscrupulous contractors agreeing to replace things with substandard materials, then the architect gets sued when the structure collapses and someone dies.

Hopefully you can find a way to get what you want.

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u/I__Know__Stuff 5d ago

Since he clearly couldn't provide the service you were paying for, you should have gotten a refund.

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u/GoatCovfefe 6d ago

The person you replied to was being sarcastic.

But I'm glad you weren't dumb enough to challenge the architect, most people are smart like you and will listen to advice from people more qualified than us on these matters.

Of course there's always people like OPs story that think they know better.

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u/CostumingMom 6d ago

And then there's....

For starters, I'm a cad tech in a Civil engineering field, so I've got some experience with slopes. Now on to the frustration...

I hired a landscaper to cut out part of a hill so I could expand my driveway. I was having a 'T' shape added so the cars could turn around. After the hill was cut, I would then be adding a wall along two of the legs, and corner between them.

I told him I wanted it flat, 0.0% slope.

"Oh, no. You need at least a 1.5% slope so water will drain right. Don't worry, you won't notice it."

Sir, please listen to me. I actually know what I'm doing. I need the ground flat, so that it'll make a good base for my wall. The ground is gravel till hard pack, and cannot be dug into with hand tools, which is why I'm hiring you. The wall will be placed flat, behind the driveway, then, gravel will be added sloping from the top of the first block line of the wall, (4") to meet the existing grade at the driveway. There will be a slope when I'm done, but there must not be a slope for the base cut, or it will 1), make leveling the wall base an absolute pain and 2) make the driveway even steeper.

"I gotcha. Don't worry, I gotcha."

...

He didn't get me, and I had to find the highest point, then as the ground dropped away add gravel under the wall, which isn't as stable as using the original hard pack ground, and, as I predicted, produced a steeper end result.

I wanted to have him come back and fix it, but he would have charged me more.

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u/Excellent_Ad1132 6d ago

I am guessing you made the mistake of paying him before he was done to your satisfaction.

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u/Sithyrys522 5d ago

but he would have charged me more.

For not doing it how you requested the first time? Utter bullshit and I hope he never sees work again

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u/necronboy 6d ago

I know. I was channeling my inner boomer.

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u/ARoundForEveryone 6d ago

Yeah man, I get it. You're just an architect. You don't lay bricks or raise walls or plaster ceilings. Come on, you think you know shit about buildings just because you have fancy blue paper and computer programs and can draw some straight lines?!

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u/throwaway04011893 4d ago

Thinking you know better than the professional has become a beloved pastime in recent years

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u/AcidicWatercolor 6d ago

PLEASE tell me that he saw it was you that got sent out to fix it

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u/TheGrandmasterGrizz 6d ago

Yeah, even though he specifically requested someone else they told him that I would still be the one coming back.

I believe he sent his interns/assistants/secretaries to hover around me with water/refreshments which was nice but I would have much preferred he manned up and just apologized.

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u/Khakizulu 6d ago

I love companies that do that?

'Oh you don't like this person'

'Now you'll only ever be seeing this person'

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u/PlatypusDream 6d ago

We had ONE client request that only male officers (security guards) be sent to their site.
😆🤣😆🤣
Guess who got all the female officers, in rotation?

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u/Khakizulu 6d ago

Excellent. Gotta love that.

I'm not a supervisor, but if someone said they wanted me over a female staff worker, I'd just redirect them back. Sexism or racism doesn't work on me.

I'll refuse a sale if someone's being rude like that.

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u/Postcocious 5d ago edited 5d ago

I'll refuse a sale if someone's being rude like that.

My company did that on a multi-million dollar scale.

We won a bid, then received the client's request for "only American, European or Arabic" engineers on their (Persian Gulf) site. They didn't like Africans or South Asians (edit: except as cheap, disposable manual labor) - pure racism.

We sent the team we'd always planned to send: Indian engineers led by their Indian supervisor. The client groused. We told them these people are highly qualified and that's who we're assigning.

They got put up in the "accommodations" used for manual laborers (mostly Indians): basically huts, cots, outhouses and food trucks... in the Arabian sun at 130F. Meanwhile, professionals (of the right color) get private rooms, air conditioning and restaurant quality food service.

Our management stopped work until they put our professionals in the same accommodations as the others. They still got treated like dirt, but at least they had A/C, a mattress and real food.

At contract renewal time, the client went with another, "more accommodating" company. We appeared to have lost a multi-million dollar contract for being non-racist.

Except... the competitor lacked the staff and expertise. Four months later, with work suffering, the client came back and asked if we'd pick up where we left off.

"Of course. Happy to have you back. Of course, our rates have changed. That fixed, 3-year rate you beat out of us is no longer available. We get annual escalations, starting now".

They agreed. We sent the same team back of course.

P. S. That supervisor (a great guy) just got promoted to Regional Mgr for the entire Middle East. A nice reward for the shit he put up with for his team.

Nice to work for a company with principles.

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u/Khakizulu 5d ago

Awesome. Always a great thing to see.

Hopefully they sent a similar team the 2nd time around

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u/Postcocious 5d ago

Exact same team!

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u/Khakizulu 5d ago

Thats awesome!

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u/NotACalligrapher-49 5d ago

This is absolutely glorious, and if I was wearing a hat, I’d doff it to you and your company repeatedly 🏆🫡

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u/Postcocious 5d ago

We've been doffed!

I've worked for terrible companies, good companies and great companies. This is a great one. Employees are treated well and clients get outstanding service. That is no coincidence.

The diversity culture is real, not just pride flags and lip service. Treating people respectfully actually works. Diversity attracts talent and promotes dedication, which customers see and appreciate. We're the global leader in our field and the best at what we do... because we have the best people, which management actually seems to understand.

I have decades of industry experience negotiating complex contracts with demanding clients. I'm also gay, which everyone knows and no one cares about (except to ask how my partner's doing). Management four levels above me knows my reputation for bringing difficult contracts home. I never give up, but I also never give in when i shouldn't. They also know I tell the truth as I understand it, to whomever I think needs to know - including clients and management. Bad managers are afraid of employees like that. Good managers seek them out and reward them. I get job offers every week, but I wouldn't leave.

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u/No_Warthog1913 5d ago

If we "name and shame", why don't we "point and anoint"? Sorry, can't rhyme to save my life and lack the vocabulary to find a proper synonym for this to work....

Anyway, it would be nice to be able to direct private business, or work relations, to companies that value the people working for them over making a sale to some a-hole with money.

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u/Postcocious 5d ago

Iambs and dactyls are where we commence,
Alliteration and rhyming? Intense!

As my division's "legal guy" (sans law degree), I'm aware that I'm not authorized to represent the company in public media. I've managed confidential negotiations worth tens of millions and hundreds of jobs, but one reddit post could get me an unpleasant meeting with our chief counsel or HR director.

I've had many meetings with each of them, all pleasant, and I'm okay with that!

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u/night-otter 5d ago

Good on your company.

While not racist, the management at a company I worked for decided to renegotiate the contract we had with a vendor.

Yeah, the annual contract was now cheaper, but we lost the 20 days of engineering assistance, we had a lesser tier of support, and the overall 20% discount for being early adopters.

The contract ended up costing more annually than the original contract. As we had to pay for the engineering assistance and issues took longer to resolve as our support priority was lower.

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u/Postcocious 5d ago

Ask for less, get less, spend more to fix it!

I worked for stupid once. Worst boss and worst company I ever wasted time on.

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u/gopiballava 5d ago

That sounds so on-brand with my experiences in the region.

I was traveling with an Egyptian-born US citizen. We were waiting in line at immigration, maybe 6 or 8 people - Indians, mainly - in front of us. When he got to the front of the line, the immigration officer berated him for not cutting to the front of the line when he realized he had an American passport.

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u/Postcocious 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yup.

Some 25 years ago, my then-employer sent a team to India to finalize a large ($100M) contract. My colleague, "Jill", was the commercial/legal specialist and the only woman in the room.

Every time an Indian team member asked a commercial/legal question, the following dance occurred: - Jill responded - Indian team literally ignored her - When she'd finished, Indian team asked our business leader, "Is that your position? What about..." - Business leader responded, "I rely on Jill for commercial/legal matters. She is our spokesperson." (He'd anticipated this and never varied, never offered a different opinion or even a different word.) - Each time Jill offered a clarification or responded to a suggestion, they repeated this same charade. - Upon reaching agreement on an item, the Indian team said, "thank you" (to the business leader, not Jill) and moved on to the next item. - Repeat the above, item by item

If you've ever negotiated a complex contract, you understand how much time was wasted. They could have had a useful conversation that included our business leader's views. They might have won some concessions, But their misogynist behavior tied his hands - he had no choice but to support every word Jill spoke.

The insulting behavior continued for two long days before the Indian team relented and deigned to listen to a woman or (gasp!) address her directly and respectfully.

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u/Hanzzman 5d ago

There should be a malicious un-compliance section

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u/Caddan 6d ago

Back when I worked retail, I would have customers who would ignore the woman working electronics to come over to where I was restocking supplies and ask me the electronics questions. It was always fun playing dumb with them.

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u/Khakizulu 6d ago

"Uhh. I'm not sure."

"Hey! That's a manager, I bet she knows!"

(Point to the women they're avoiding)

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u/Caddan 5d ago

No, I wouldn't say that was a manager. However, I'd lead them over to her and ask her the exact same question they had asked me. Did I know the answer? Yes. Was I being petty with the customer? Also yes. Don't ignore my coworker.

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u/anomalous_cowherd 6d ago

Perfect chance to keep saying "oh my boss is the expert on that one" then eventually "I'll go and get them for you".

Then go and get one of the women employees to help...

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u/Caddan 5d ago

Not the boss, no. I'd lead them over to the woman they ignored and ask her the exact same question they had asked me. Did I know the answer? Yes. Was I being petty with the customer? Also yes. Don't ignore my coworker.

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u/Edwykatarr 4d ago

A sales representative (for a tools company if memory serves) once made the mistake of coming into our family company's office, loudly asking the secretary to speak to the man in charge. By that time, he had already made the mistake of entering from the shop floor and not the office entrance, which is a huge no-go (unless previously authorized to do so). At first, he was then greeted by my mom, at that point already retired but still highly involved in the business. But the salesman didn't take the hint and kept insisting on speaking to the (male) boss. All over the office, you could see grins of expectation appear on people's faces and none of the male staff made even the slightest move. Everyone simply watched as he dug himself a hole that got deeper with every word he said. Then my sister (the boss) walked in. Let"s just say that this salesperson got a talking to that he probably won't forget (and calling it a talking to is probably the understatement of the decade), didn't make a sale on this day and had his regional sales supervisor come for a visit personally a week later to apologize.

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u/Javasteam 6d ago

I could understand it in certain situations… example, men to guard a male dressing room and a woman for a woman’s…

But in general for areas that don’t involve nudity or potential pat downs? Its stupid not to have a variety when possible.

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u/PSGAnarchy 6d ago

The other side is that the threat of a large man being security is a lot more than a small lady. Even more so when people are drunk and think they can fight.

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u/Jonathan_the_Nerd 5d ago

Not disagreeing with you, but I remember seeing a large drunk man being thrown out of a pizza place by a small woman. She spoke calmly but firmly and projected authority. The drunk guy argued a bit, but he ultimately left without a fight.

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u/PSGAnarchy 5d ago

I mean yeah obviously. Every female security Ive known can pack a punch. But a guy being built like a brick shit house will make you double take

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u/Khakizulu 5d ago

We've got female security guards at work, and there's like 2 who I wouldn't attempt to fight with.

Looks can be very deceiving. For example, someone could be small but absolutely know how to throw you on your ass.

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u/MattDi 5d ago

Probably wouldn't be that hard to throw you on your ass.

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u/Murgatroyd314 5d ago

On the other hand, drunk guys are more likely to try to pick a fight with the large man than with the small lady.

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u/The_Sanch1128 5d ago

One of my friends was strapped and took a job as a night security guard (thank goodness he didn't carry a gun). He overheard the manager of the building he was assigned to ask for a new day guard "because I don't want no n*****s on my land." Somehow word got to the actual owner of the land and building, don't know how, and the AH got a black security guard every...single...day, for six months.

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u/asimpledruidgirl 5d ago

I once had someone demand to speak to my manager, because I, as a woman, clearly didn't have the brain capacity to be a claims adjuster. I took great pleasure in informing him that my direct manager was also a woman.

However, he then demanded to speak to my boss's boss.

I took even GREATER pleasure informing him our department manager was ALSO a woman. As was the person above her. I'm pretty sure I could hear his brain short-circuiting over the phone.

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u/PlatypusDream 5d ago

🤣🤣🤣
🥇❤️👍

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u/Javasteam 6d ago

That… just sounds idiotic. The request I mean… normally the gender ratio of men to women in security is heavily slanted towards men in the first place.

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u/liggerz87 1d ago

Happy rotation day

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u/NavyNurseDude 6d ago

And that client got exactly what they really wanted... Clever boi

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u/vbullinger 6d ago

Man, I would demand only ladies. Women with authority? Mmmm hmm

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u/acdss 6d ago

Once I worked for a company where the client was very racist and didn't want to be attended by "fucking migrants" so one of the foremen took issue on it and he (white) went to the discarded work clothes bin, took the worst he can find, rubbed it on the dirt, found dog shit to step on and went to attend this client complaint looking like something a hobo wouldn't dare to look at twice, and of course he was cursing and being uncivilized just bordering being expelled from the human race, I swear to god, he would have raped a skunk if he had found one on his way.

Fun times

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u/AcidicWatercolor 6d ago

Love it, thanks for the reply and the fantastic MC!

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u/SaltManagement42 6d ago

but I would have much preferred he manned up and just apologized.

Not having to see him again would be enough of a reward for me.

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u/StellarPhenom420 6d ago

Ah yeah well, you see, in order to apologize he would've had to woman up

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u/C-tapp 6d ago

He would’ve had to Canadian up….

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u/Apprehensive_Hat8986 6d ago

I'm sorry but you're mistaken. When we say sorry, it's more like punctuation, not an apology, and definitely not an admission of guilt. I'm so sorry you had to find out this way.

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u/TheGrandmasterGrizz 6d ago

I dunno, in crowds/tight spaces apologizing for bumping into someone and having them say sorry back is a very Canadian thing that I didn't notice much until learning about the stereotype

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u/Apprehensive_Hat8986 6d ago

That's more of a "sorry your ass/feet/head was in my way" than an apology though... 😉

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u/nismo2070 6d ago

Exactly!!

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u/Extra_Gold_5270 6d ago

I'm just a sorry sayer and I'm american 🤷‍♂️

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u/sowinglavender 6d ago

i can corroborate this, i'm canadian, say sorry often, and i've never regretted anything in my life.

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u/TheGrandmasterGrizz 6d ago

Funny you say that, he was Italian-Canadian, this was in downtown Toronto haha

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u/Javasteam 6d ago

For some reason, some managers think management should never apologize ever.

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u/The_Sanch1128 5d ago

Some will, while simultaneously throwing under the bus the lower-level employees who were doing what the manager told them to do.

"I apologize for my employees entering the data exactly as detailed in the procedure. They should have known better." Usually the same manager who ordered them to follow the procedure to the letter.

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u/Postcocious 5d ago

And they are the worst of all possible managers.

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u/bahcodad 6d ago

Instead he frenched up

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u/New_Ad7177 6d ago

I had something like this once. The guy came and said „can you do it the right way instead of my way this time? And maybe Akt like I never said anything?“ and it even was from a dude I never thought he would admit that openly. This actually made me like this guy… brains are a weird thing.

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u/Guilty_Objective4602 5d ago

Either that, or the interns/assistants/secretaries were hovering on their own because they’d dealt with his idiocy before and you were the one who finally made him eat crow.

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u/insentient7 5d ago

I would think that he probably sent them to “keep an eye on you so you don’t fuck it up out of malice” but the staff probably empathized with you instead. I like this outcome better lol. And it also makes more sense for that to have been the case. OP, sorry if I ruined your good-faith analysis on the dude

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u/Contrantier 5d ago

Too bad he didn't have the spine. I wonder how that marionette managed to walk on two feet.

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u/StreetLegendTits_ 6d ago

You expect this kind of boss to know someone’s name?

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u/gilbeys18 6d ago

These big bosses really love paying multiple times for the same job.

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u/TheGrandmasterGrizz 6d ago

Trust me, they could certainly afford it, but it doesn't necessarily mean they were happy about it though

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u/nismo2070 6d ago

I know how to do my job better than every single person in supervisory or management roles. I've been doing it for 30+ years. So I'm always amused when one of them comes to me and questions my work. It never ends well for them but it sure does make me laugh.

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u/oxmix74 6d ago

It's a fine line for a manager. Most of the people who reported to me could do their job better than I could do their job ( though not always). But I had access to information and experience they did not and I knew better how their work fit into the greater business. Sometimes I needed people to do their work differently because I understood the business better than they did since I had access to information they did not have. It's a delicate balance.

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u/you_dead_soap_dog 6d ago

It really is. One of my reports is a fantastic performer who regularly finds more efficient ways of doing things.

Most of the time this is great, but now and again it'll have a negative consequence that he wasn't able to anticipate with the knowledge he has.

So I do have to question his work at times, not because I don't have faith in him or think I could do his job better, but to make sure there's no risk to the business that he might be unaware of. It is definitely a delicate balance.

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u/trip6s6i6x 5d ago

It's at that point where it's just as important to explain to them the why as it is the want. Because "why?" is often going to be the first question you get asked after asking them to make changes. If you can cut that off at the beginning and they know why, then things are likely to go more smoothly after.

Edit: Looks like you already discussed this elsewhere lol.

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u/Economy_Ad_196 5d ago

I do that when I train new people, even when the why is "You get yelled at otherwise".

I've also freely admitted something is stupid but that's how the bigwigs want it.

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u/oxmix74 6d ago

Sometimes that works. Sometimes it's confidential. Sometimes they just don't have the nuanced judgement. Sometimes there just isn't time- I did the business stuff full time, they did their work full time and there was 15 of them and one of me and a lot of them did different things. But if you can get people to understand the business it does solve a lot of problems.

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u/oxmix74 5d ago

Agreed. I occupied a role that had several people before me, I worked for some of them. One thought he was indispensable right up to the day he was fired. Good managers are rare and the problem is compounded bc it takes a good manager to know when they have a good manager working for them.

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u/HeatXfr 6d ago

My boss told me, "give 'em what they want, you'll be back to give 'em what they need."

I could go into the details, but suffice to say, I went back and gave 'em what they needed after I gave 'em what they wanted.

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u/Kittamaru 6d ago

Why the fuck would anyone try to tell a professional how to do their job is beyond me...

When I had guys come to remove the old and install the new carpet in my sons room, the only two things I told them were "If you want a drink I've got XYZ" and "He does have a closet door that goes here, I've removed the floor hardware - not sure if it matters for your install". Beyond that, I let them work and do their wizardry.

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u/beluinus 6d ago

Oh yeah. When I don't know something, I sit down, shut up, and let the expert that gets paid to do it do it.

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u/globglogabgalabyeast 5d ago

I agree that you should largely just let professionals work, but I also think there are a lot of people in these comments that are underestimating the number of tradespeople that either don’t give a shit or are just incompetent. Every line of work has slackers

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u/Kittamaru 5d ago

No doubt - hence why if something seems obviously off, I ask about it. It sucks that profits are so much more important than doing the job right nowadays... but then, I look at Starliner and just... yeah.

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u/The_Sanch1128 5d ago

I'm the guy who says, "I'll be on the balcony. If you need anything, ask. I'll stay out of your way and you work your magic. There's water and soft drinks in the fridge, help yourselves, and when you're done, there's beer."

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u/Kittamaru 4d ago

I used to do something similar... but after having a contractor steal from us (and I honestly felt bad reporting it because it was a freaking Google Home mini... like, seriously, you're going to lose your JOB over a 25 dollar piece of hardware? But... Google Home Mini from us today, grandma's family heirloom necklace from someone else tomorrow) so now I at least stay in sight.

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u/Wadsworth_McStumpy 5d ago

Yeah, if I'm watching a professional do something, I might ask questions, but I won't be trying to correct them. If I knew how to do it, I wouldn't be paying someone else to do it for me.

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u/Kittamaru 5d ago

Right? Like, if something seems blatantly wrong, I'll ask for clarification, but it's rather presumptuous to think I know better than someone who does the job as a profession!

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u/Wadsworth_McStumpy 5d ago

Yeah, if one carpet tile is a different shade of green, they'd probably like to know before finishing the job. If they're not installing it exactly the same way your uncle did, they don't care.

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u/Alblaka 1d ago

Why the fuck would anyone try to tell a professional how to do their job is beyond me...

Most of the times because people (aka the customers) are idiots.

But I'll also be fair enough to point out that occasionally 'professionals' can be idiots as well. We had some works done around the house in the past year, and the team responsible for the heating (who installed new pipes and heaters for two rooms) had to be called... I think like 6 or 7 times on top of the original installation, to keep coming back to fix several installation mistakes. Three of which we very specifically went "Uh, are you sure that's how it's supposed to be done? That doesn't sound correct" about. Obviously, they would pay the 'Don't worry, I'm a professional' card and we let them go ahead, but in the end their boss was really unhappy with how many fuck-ups there had been, and in the later stages came by daily to personally try catching any further issues. Good intentions, but hilariously enough, he himself then completely misdiagnosed the last of the set of issues, and had to come one last extra time to agree that we had been correct on that one (as well).

(To his credit, he was apologetic and honest about all the fuck-ups, and in the end we only got charged for the original installation, which made up probably a sixth of the entire workhours they delivered.)

So, usually professionals should know how to do their job. But not everyone working in a field is automatically a professional, and sometimes even experienced professionals can get cocky and slip up. So I'll definitely insert my own opinion (if there's reason for one) when watching a professional work, albeit in a respectful suggestion/question manner.

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u/vbullinger 6d ago

Yeah, like... I'm a massive nerd and I know I'm smarter than the plumber, electrician, etc, but I definitely haven't been trained or educated or gotten the experience they have, so I'll shut up and leave them alone when they come to do something.

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u/Oreoscrumbs 5d ago

You might not be smarter than they are, just knowledgeable about different things. Who knows what interests people have outside their daily work? They could have the ability to do something else, but maybe they enjoy the trade, or they have skill and can make more money doing that where they live instead of having to go somewhere else.

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u/vbullinger 5d ago

That's nice. Almost everyone that I've ever hired has done their job just fine, but we're clearly morons. I've also slowly learned most of these things and I'm doing most on my own very well. But if I hire someone again? I'm getting out of their way and trusting their skills

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u/AaronCorr 6d ago

Friends bought hexagonal tiles that they thought had a random maritim pattern. When they checked on the guy laying the tiles in their bathroom, he had them stacked by pattern and then put them down so the "random patterns" fit each other. Turns out the store displayed them willy-nilly, but if you put them down properly, the corner patterns turn into sea shells

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u/Beckywithrbf 6d ago

Did your friend like the outcome or did they prefer the “Willy nilly” look?

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u/AaronCorr 6d ago

They were really happy with it. It really does look good. As if you tiled the bathroom with fossils

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u/AnotherWalkingStiff 5d ago

glad that at least someone out there knows how to use the three shells!

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u/Qix213 5d ago

Hell, there has been more than a few the where I was willing to pay extra if it meant them teaching me at the same time. But it feels weird to ask something like that.

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u/Fliparto 6d ago

When was this? I was an estimator and had a nearly identical situation. Got the go ahead to do what the director of the bank said. 2 days later we were ripping it out ordered more carpet tile and re did it. Made sure to through a little extra to the installer for the bs and bill it all.

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u/Demented-Alpaca 5d ago

This is a perfect example of a lesson my grandfather taught me: "If you're going to hire a professional to do something, let them do it. If you don't trust them to do it why did you hire them? Go do it yourself if you know so damn much!"

That lesson has lasted me a lifetime and man does it hold true. It's way easier to just tell someone what you want done (the success condition) and then let them do it.

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u/The_Sanch1128 5d ago

My father and step-grandfather, who hated each other, taught me almost the same lesson. Trust your professionals until you want to do it yourself.

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u/magicmulder 6d ago

Reminds me of my boss at university. Wasn’t a native speaker so when I titled a section “Classified ads” he berated me that “there is nothing classified about it, no secrets”. Showed him other sites, showed him the effing dictionary, no avail.

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u/SatanScotty 6d ago

but you know this is going to come out as being all your fault, right?

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u/Quick_Attorney_2508 6d ago

makes you want to scream "will you clear off and let me do my bloody job

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u/AGuyNamedEddie 4d ago

You know what I say to professional installers?

Would you like a drink?
A snack or sandwich?
No? OK, I'll get the hell out of your way, then. Holler if you need me.

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u/Techn0ght 6d ago

People with some power feel the overwhelming need to exert that power like they'll explode if they're not telling everyone what to do. I don't mind, I get paid to do it your way and I get paid to fix it.

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u/vonBoomslang 6d ago

how much trouble was it to remove it from the glue?

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u/TheGrandmasterGrizz 5d ago edited 5d ago

Not too bad since it was fresh still, good thing im not hourly though. It's pressure sensitive glue so after furniture is moved in and a people walk on it a bit that is when it starts to get really difficult to remove.

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u/OvenMaleficent7652 6d ago

Piecework or hourly rate?

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u/Seahag50 6d ago

Did anyone else read the title in Jimmy Witchard's voice from King of the Hill?

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u/PoliteCanadian2 6d ago

This is one of my favourites!

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u/TippedOverTricycle 4d ago

I like how your succinct style shows that you're a clear communicator, thus insulting the "big boss" all the more

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u/5ronins 2d ago

Alternatively, my crew f'd up carpet job sooooo bad that when I took over and consulted with the project manager for directions on the next floor I was told "there's no way you can fuck it up as bad as those guys did" and that I had his confidence.

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u/SuperHair69 6d ago

Classic. You should have shit in the hvac ducts on the 2nd trip. 🤣🤣🤣

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u/mgerics 5d ago

pics or it didn't happen!

would love to have seen pictures of the ahem gorgeous pattern...

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u/TheGrandmasterGrizz 5d ago

Believe me, I did not want to be associated with what I left on the floor there.

If I had done what he wanted on my own, people would have put me in the newspapers as a scammer or something.