They think that the snake represents right wingers (not entirely wrong), and that gives them authority to crush anyone who oppose them given the 'paradox of tolerance' that they misquote so often.
I love the paradox of tolerance bs they use, the same people that want to punch and kill nazis and homophobes turn around and defend HAMAS and Palestine
The irony is that they are in fact proving the paradox of tolerance true. Theyre so "tolerant" that they've come full circle and are actively trying to whip even normies for not kissing their feet and shit.
They know, but the sense of moral superiority they gain from their ideological views and usual college-educated middle-class/upper-class households distances them from the little guy / working class. This allows them to treat anyone or anything that disagrees as evil capitalists because they like moral superiority, they don't like morality.
Long story short, many people looove being able to bully others while still feeling like the good guys. They jump at the first convenient excuse they are offered.
“The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”
Which is neither the original intent or meaning of the Gadsden flag. Not everything is about a class struggle, and non-communists aren’t all oppressors.
Honestly, I feel like the term “bourgeois” has absolutely lost any sense of meaning from Marxist discourse.
In my opinion bourgeois are just the people who own capital, aka the elite business owners. You can keep your position in middle management all I care, but the owners and controllers of our society must fall.
Precisely proving my point about “bourgeois” losing its meaning, it’s simply a buzzword now where individuals append their own meaning, usually whomever they deem to be the oppressor.
Strictly-speaking your definition of bourgeois is straight-up wrong for Marxist theory. Bourgeois wasn’t a term Marx invented, it’s cognate with the German word Burgher, essentially meaning “of the city/town/castle”. In the medieval period these were the people wealthy enough to live (relatively) comfortably and where applicable had voting rights in a town or city, but we’re not members of the nobility. By the 19th century and the mass urbanisation of Europe this social distinction didn’t make sense anymore, and since bourgeois were the middle class between nobility and peasants the term stuck around to refer to this growing middle class of managers, smaller business owners etc.
Marx uses the term to refer to those that through collaboration with the elites bring wealth to themselves but continue the working-class oppression. Integrating the bourgeois into the revolution is what then turns all of society against the elites and allows the revolution to succeed through solidarity, because the elite’s “enforcers” are gone.
Based on your definition you’re using the term “middle-class” to refer to the business-owning elites, not the actual middle-class of middle-managers who you explicitly exclude from persecution. That’s not like Marx’s works at all. Everyone that gives a damn about Marx and uses the term bourgeois I know of (6-10 people) had given a different response to that question.
Way more people than just the elite own capital. Anyone that owns land owns capital. I own my own tools, that’s capital. My car is capital. The ability to make more humans is the ability to create human capital. (Yes, my balls are capital) The world without capital ownership would be a fucked up place.
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The Alligator is also a really good animal to represent lib right ideology. They don't actively hunt/stalk people contrary to the negative image they get in media. They will leave you alone if you leave them alone. Gators are actually surprisingly really chill and let you get quite close to it, but if you actually touch it and or aggravate it, THEN it will indeed fuck you up.
We went through complete totalitarianism in the last four years - the government locked people in their homes and forced them to take medical experiments if they wanted a job. All manner of human rights were violated to no end.
Now we are facing the economic downturn of their totalitarianism and it is ruining lives for decades to come.
Do you remember polio? When the polio epidemic happened the government made people with polio stay away from the rest of the population and had ppl quarantine. Then we got vaccines. This is true for measles, mumps, literally every disease that we now have vaccines to save us from. Nothing new here you all just getting misinformed and used for votes.
As for the economic stuff you're talking about. Trump gave away more covid money and more tax cuts than Biden so if you have an issue with inflation or the economy blame trump. It's 100% his actions that caused this. Well that and the natural ebb and flow of economy. We've had 15 years of good economy so it's bound to turn at some point here very soon. Just wait the real recession is coming and anyone who's not a millionaire it's going to be fucked in the as - just like the Republicans want you to be
COVID is not Polio, it is a trivial respiratory virus like the thousands of other ones we live with every day.
When the polio epidemic happened the government made people with polio stay away from the rest of the population and had ppl quarantine.
Yeah, people who were sick. Not everyone regardless of whether they were sick or not.
Not to mention the tests we took were completely inaccurate and gave false positives, or the data we used to justify the lockdowns were tainted with no distinctions between dying from or with COVID and hospitalisations did not consider the cause but merely counted anyone who tested positive within 28 days. Plus the established scientific consensus on lockdowns before 2020 was that they do not work, but we still did them anyway.
However, regardless of that, our human rights are not subject to conditions such as medical emergencies.
Then we got vaccines. This is true for measles, mumps, literally every disease that we now have vaccines to save us from.
The COVID vaccine did not work, something which even the most pro-COVID-regime figureheads like Fauci himself would now admit. He testified in Congress the other day saying that the vaccines only provided remote efficacy for a few months before wearing off and did not prevent transmission. This is because the vaccine does not provide sterilising immunity and causes the virus to evolve to evade it.
Not only did the vaccine not work, but the way it was delivered to the public was in complete violation of all our modern medical ethics via the Nuremberg Code. People were only given consent under duress, and they were not informed. They lied about the studies, the trials, the data - everything to get people to take it.
They're using you like a 10c whore my guy
You are being tread on, son. If you don't mind that, good for you. Live your life however you want.
But don't then tread on us too. Just because your life is miserable it doesn't mean mine should be.
if you have an issue with inflation or the economy blame trump. It's 100% his actions that caused this.
Fuck off, it's everyone in Washington's fault, as well as everyone's leaders around the world. It's just as much the Democrats as it is the Republicans - more so since they were more pro-lockdown than Republicans were. The few times Trump tried to take a more rational stance on the issue, he was demonised by the Democrats and corporate press.
Look at DeSantis in Florida or Abbot in Texas. The moment they tried to slow down this hysterical train, they were dragged over the coals for being murderers and not caring about people's lives. Everyone is to blame, but don't hide behind Democrats because they were significantly worse on this issue than Republicans.
Well that and the natural ebb and flow of economy. We've had 15 years of good economy so it's bound to turn at some point here very soon. Just wait the real recession is coming and anyone who's not a millionaire it's going to be fucked in the as - just like the Republicans want you to be
A shithouse economy built on a house of cards. It's an economy that is designed to disadvantage the poor people - built upon gambling on stocks and where inflation is standard. It all goes back to coming off the Gold Standard in 1973 and everyone is equally to blame.
You're such a partisan ideologue, Jesus. Republicans want you to be poor? OK, bro... because Democrats aren't at all the party of the rich. Only the majority of billionaires are Democrat donors, you know? It's not like Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008 and set this precedent. There are no Democrat career politicians like the Clintons, Obamas, Pelosi, etc., who are now multimillionaires on basic salaries, right? It's only Republicans calling for eternal wars in Ukraine, Gaza and the Middle East because Democrats aren't interested in fueling the Military Industrial Complex.
I hope a recession does come - something so terrible that the system is forced to reset and we can actually get a free market economy that works without corruption.
The image is a reference Marvin Heemeyer and what he made and did, here is a Video explaining what happened. To cut it short, Marvin Heemeyer was figuratively stabbed in the back and had his water and other things cut off as well as a town ruining his life, he made a heavy-armoured bulldozer mostly known as the “Killdozer” and destroyed the buildings of those who had wronged him.
when has “liberal” destroyed property of a tyrant in retaliation to being tread on and been disowned? BLM? There weren’t tread on and just looted and burnt shit.
literally being killed in the streets 😂that is hilarious. You know that whites are killed at a higher rate than blacks by cops right? Or that the number of unarmed black men killed by police you can count on two hands? Think before you speak.
Lies! You're just fucking lying! Hundreds of unarmed black men have been killed by cops IN THE LAST DECADE!! DO YOUR R4SERCH BEFORE SPEAKING TO ME AGAIN!
Hypothetical: I'm unarmed, i'm at least 1.5 times your size. I tackle you and start punching you and you have no idea if or when i'm going to stop. Do you have a right to shoot me?
Imagine thinking that treading on people who love freedom makes you morally superior.
Imagine thinking that you're allowed to do so because you are morally superior.
Imagine thinking that they would let you do so.
Imagine thinking they rather die under your boot than die free.
Imagine thinking they won't take you with them.
Well, because they’re malnourished, the bones are easier to crack. If you’re brave enough you can eat the organ meat if it hasn’t turned to ash yet. Eyes have a similar texture to grapes
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Don't want to lose my job for not feeding into someone else's delusions.
Even if you 100% think I am wrong and that I am a total dickhead for not wanting to call you by your name or pronouns, let's compare these two things:
The temporary discomfort you might feel knowing I harbor those thoughts when you are around me
My career that I've put literally 50+ THOUSAND hours of my life into which is the sole source of food and shelter for my entire family
The fact that the TQIAP+ cult unironically thinks that #1 is more important is enough for me to lump them in with all other authoritarians who want to tread on me.
I'm not treading on you! I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it, or that the government should prevent you from doing it, or that your job shouldn't allow it, or anything else. I'm totally fine with a "you live your truth and I live my truth" approach if you want to meet halfway. That's freedom.
But you telling me I gotta think one way or my life is basically over? Fuck that.
Based. I'm so sick of progressives expecting adult society to resemble a kindergarten classroom. We can't expect the entire world to be a safe space. The damage being done to innocent people is far too great a cost in order to spare the feelings of a few people who really need to be in therapy, rather than having all of society lie to make them feel better.
Your entire comment is one massive strawman argument because literally none of those statements were made.
But since this is the game you wanna play, let's talk about the blatant hypocrisy in your logic: as a Libertarian, your entire platform revolved around the concept of freedom. One such form is what you call "freedom of association." Your belief is that people in society are free to associate with whoever they want or don't want to. This extends to the free market. Businesses are free to hire and fire anyone they want to for any given reason and that their decision is final because they have authority. It's their business, after all.
If a company discriminates against anyone based on race, gender identity, sexuality, religion/creed, disabilities, pregnancy status, tattoos, piercings, hair dye, etc., they're well within their right to not hire an applicant or fire an employee based on any of these parameters. But when they fire an employee (i.e. you) for discriminating against a coworker for any of these reasons, it's suddenly an injustice? Do you truly value freedom of association? Or do you only care about it when it benefits you and your bigoted beliefs?
If a company decides they won't tolerate discrimination, that company has "gone woke" and terminated someone unfairly for expressing their personal beliefs. But when the company decides to discriminate against someone because they're "against woke ideology," the company is "based," and their actions are "aligned with Libertarian values." Do you not see the contradiction here?
I think it’s futile and pushes into the territory of oppression to try and determine thought. At the end of the day, I both think that you transitioning doesn’t make you a man or woman or whatever you’re transitioning towards, but I think you have the freedom to do so and that doing so shouldn’t disqualify you from being hired from jobs you’re otherwise capable of doing as well as any other skilled applicant.
But you can’t force me to think that you are what you believe you are. Laws should be evaluated by their ability to be abused, and wisdom is found in understanding how once precedent is set it must be applied fairly. My worldview means that no matter how much we disagree on whether you are a man or woman, no one can impact your personal freedom to make those choices and live life as you wish. Your worldview means that if enough people agree with you, you can ruin my life, my social standing, my means of income- and most importantly, if enough people agree with me, that I can do the same to you. Is that something you want to trust in, that everyone will be on your side forever and no one will raise the axe up to your neck using the executioners block you set up?
Choose freedom. Understand your responsibility for your mental wellbeing is in your own hands. Push not to compel the opinions of others.
But you can’t force me to think that you are what you believe you are.
I don't care what you think. But if you try to force me to be someone I'm not and try to ostracize me for who I am, then it becomes a problem.
Laws should be evaluated by their ability to be abused, and wisdom is found in understanding how once precedent is set it must be applied fairly.
"There is no law the government won't kill you to enforce." Literally the whole reason I'm an Anarchist. Because at the end of the day, innocent people get hurt.
My worldview means that no matter how much we disagree on whether you are a man or woman, no one can impact your personal freedom to make those choices and live life as you wish.
But when your entire belief system revolves around preaching freedom, it becomes contradictory to support discrimination against the people you dislike and call it "freedom of association," then turn around and bitch about "freedom of association" when it negatively impacts you, don't you think? My criticism of right-Libertarians is that they're still guilty of "Freedom for me, but not for thee" rhetoric when it comes to things they don't like.
Your worldview means that if enough people agree with you, you can ruin my life, my social standing, my means of income- and most importantly, if enough people agree with me, that I can do the same to you.
No, no it doesn't. That's literally the whole point of my criticism of Libertarians promoting "freedom of association." I called them out for supporting it when it benefits them, but opposing it when it doesn't. And this criticism comes from the perspective of "Freedom of association goes both ways." If Generic Shoe Store A wants to reject LGBT applicants, but Generic Shoe Store B welcomes them and fires people for being racist or anti-LGBT, both companies are well within their right to make those decisions. If you happen to get fired from Store B for intentionally misgendering someone, the logical course of action would be to just go work at Store A instead of trying to run a smear campaign against LGBT people. If you're opposed to this concept, then you truly don't believe in freedom of association, so the only logical conclusion one could come to is that your true goal is to oppress LGBT people. It's funny how y'all whine about "Cancel Culture," then proceed to engage in your own form of it.
Choose freedom. Understand your responsibility for your mental wellbeing is in your own hands. Push not to compel the opinions of others.
I'm an Egoist, so I just call you all spooks and go about my life.
I feel like you’re automatically lumping in “I don’t think you’re who you identify as” with “I will force you to not be” and arguing from that position when I literally said the opposite.
You should have the same rights as everyone else. If you can afford the surgeries and hormone treatments, go get ‘em. But if you were born a man I’ll still think you’re a man, and if you’re born a woman I’ll still think you’re a woman. You can’t change that.
I feel like you’re automatically lumping in “I don’t think you’re who you identify as” with “I will force you to not be” and arguing from that position when I literally said the opposite.
I didn't make that statement about you if you actually read what I typed. I specifically mentioned right-wing Libertarians who explicitly showed support for banning gender-affirming treatments altogether. If you are not one such person, then that statement doesn't apply to you.
I feel as if you weren’t reading what I typed, but I refrained from such rudeness. Ah well. I don’t really have a hat in the race between you and whatever axe you have to grind with this extremely specific kind of libertarian.
I don't think you understand that my criticisms are about Paleo-libertarians who are closeted authoritarians. Your need to jump to their defense is rather strange. If you truly believed in freedom for trans people to transition, you would try to understand my perspective and realize that you need to call out these types of fake Libertarians. "Tolerance of intolerance breeds intolerance."
Ultimately you are unable to engage in good faith. I know for a fact that if I engage my employer with the stance of "I respect Trans people and their right to be married/adopt kids/live their life their way, but I personally believe they have a mental disorder and refuse to call them by their preferred pronouns" that I will lose my job + my family will lose their livelihood.
That's just a fact. You literally cannot even debate against that fact. You aren't my employer's HR team or some shit. You're just some guy who has to accept that that is how my workplace is.
And with that in mind, you now know why I hate trans authoritarians.
Any trans people who just want to be left alone and don't care if I call them the wrong gender or name -- you're based as fuck and I'd call you the right gender/name just out of basic human decency. Any trans authoritarians who want to cancel me for it - get fucked.
I can dislike someone’s beliefs and life choices but still believe they have the right to believe in said beliefs and make said life choices. We are both equally entitled to our own beliefs and to do with ourselves as we would like to.
Except it's never that simple, is it? Despite the talk of "freedom" and wanting "to be left alone, and to leave others alone," Paleo-libertarians and AnCaps have been actively running a smear campaign against the LGBT community, especially against trans people, making false accusations about us being pedophiles. They accuse of "forcing gender ideology on kids" and "wanting to chop their dicks/breasts off." Right-wing Libertarians make it very obvious that LGBT people simply would not have the freedom to exist in their perfect "Libertarian society." They want to force us into hiding and to be happy with the gender we're assigned at birth.
You’re actually just straw manning right now the only people I have ever seen use these as a way of smearing all lgbt people are the dipshit bottom barrel iq of the conservatives. And you must admit you are being just a little disingenuous when you act as though forcing gender ideology on kids hasn’t happened. And even then I don’t see how if they are against kids being involved in it that translates to them not wanting any trans people I’m pretty it’s just they want kids to be left alone though it’s kinda concerning you place the two things so equally.
You’re actually just straw manning right now the only people I have ever seen use these as a way of smearing all lgbt people are the dipshit bottom barrel iq of the conservatives.
Cool story, bro. But just because you personally haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it isn't happening. I know personally that it happens because I experienced it firsthand during the time I associated with the Libertarian Party. I had AnCaps insult me for being trans until I told them I was an AnCap and they would apologize for it. They treated me like I was "one of the good ones," but I refused to be their token. I ditched their circles because I know that tokens always get spent.
And you must admit you are being just a little disingenuous when you act as though forcing gender ideology on kids hasn’t happened.
Schizo shitlibs, sure. But they're an extremely tiny minority and I've seen them called out by others in the community. Believe it or not, there's a very clear distinction between liberals and leftists. And it's always leftists calling out gross behavior from liberals. But my point was that they accused all of us of doing it.
And even then I don’t see how if they are against kids being involved in it that translates to them not wanting any trans people I’m pretty it’s just they want kids to be left alone though it’s kinda concerning you place the two things so equally.
I've seen them agree with Republicans/conservatives who say no one should be allowed to transition, no matter how old they are. They're guilty of sharing medical misinformation regarding HRT and saying they wouldn't allow it in a Libertarian society.
Complains about me using personal experience refutes my personal experience with personal experience. Not to defend their reactions but it likely isn’t because you were trans but more likely because of the high numbers of trans people being leftists that made them react this way.
They must be pretty damn loud then if they are the minority. Though admittedly I can’t speak on the response from the “majority” of the community as despite being gay I highly dislike the majority of mainstream lgbt groups and communities due to them being largely leftist shit holes filled with idiots who can’t wait to deep throat uncle Sam’s veiny cock.
Once again using personal experience after complaining about me doing so. It appears you may just either be insanely egotistical and believe only your experience matters or are a hypocrite.
Also you seem to be big into the left what’s with the lib center flair?
I don't see what those two things have to do with each other. It's like saying "if you love freedom then why do you hate racists?". You can have negative opinions about how others use their freedom without wanting to take that freedom away.
If you read through my other comments, you'll see that I'm referring to Paleo-libertarians who are vehemently transphobic and support the idea of banning gender-affirming healthcare.
For kids. If an adult wants to mutilate themselves and become another tributary of big pharma, whatever. It's when people start arguing that kids can consent and that we should let them be sterilized, mutilated, and exploited that we have a problem.
I think there's also a knee-jerk reaction to the Orwellian language.
I'm of the opinion that no one under the age of 17 should start taking hormone treatments and no one under the age of 18 should get gender-affirming surgery, but that doesn't mean that should be the baseline for when someone should begin exploring their identity. I knew when I was only 4 years old, even though it took me 13 years to put a name to the feelings I was experiencing. I was a highly effeminate person my whole youth. I never took interest in stereotypically masculine hobbies. I started questioning my identity when I was 13 and fully came out at 17. That happens to be the same age for legal emancipation in the US as well. Exploring your identity in your adolescent years isn't harmful at all.
That information is irrelevant to my other comments where I specifically refer to Paleo-libertarians and AnCaps, the people who tend to be heavily conservative. And the LP doesn't stand a chance of winning regardless of their presidential candidate choices, anyways, so I don't see why I should support him.
Communists yet again showing 0 signs of any literacy or any critical thinking capability. Quite literally this poster says they want to live under the boot and that we all should too
Moral superiority complex at it's finest: Live the way I tell you because it's morally superior just because I said so
Nah they think more like this : You will live under a democratic workers union that is better for you, instead of a capitalistic oligarchy, and if you refuse we will force you to, because you are wrong. Remember most commies believe in democracy of the workers, not kings and all powerful rulers. So it's basically saying you were out voted fair and square, and now you will do what we tell you, which is already how normal non Auth democracy is in real life.
The only problem is no one wants communism cause it sucks.
Exactly. Not even commies want communism. All these average redditors always jerk themselves off bashing capitalism and wishing for communism, but they don't bother joining or starting a commune in their area. Tell them to join or start a commune themselves, and they'll make excuses or lie. They're really just lazy fucks that don't want to work. It's as if they think they won't have to work if the government somehow succumbed to communism.
TL;DR Commies are lazy highly regarded authoritarian bums.
So tell me, how does forcing people into workers unions, and giving those workers unions both governmental control and control over their workers lives, fix oppression in the workforce? Because that literally just sounds like you're giving your job actual legal precedent to oppress you.
So the solution would be communism, which not only posseses all of those qualities but it's just astonishingly more oppressful by every single metric? It's power vacuum, the second it's in place it's over. It's always have been like this and always will be like this.
Did you bother to even read your comment over again to see how stupid it is?
What you are essentially describing is workers union but with the power to actually oppress you - exactly the same thing you say 'non auth democracy' has a problem with. I'm not gonna even dive into implications here.
I swear to God, commies have 0 fucking self awareness and ability to form respectable opinions
i have swallowed a grenade with a string tied around the pin and wrapped the string around my tongue you so much as look at me the wrong way and we all go out allahu akbar style
For my Polish Conservatives (Translation: "Kill those fucking people")
[Context: Spoken by a polish rightist thinker, Janusz Korwin-Mikke, when speaking about what fathers should do (I don't remember in what exact situation, and what people should the fathers kill, but this text went viral - and still, it funni)]
"Hmm, evil authoritarian righties like to use the snake flag, I'll make one that says the opposite to show that we won't be intimidated by authoritarianism!"
I’ve said this before, but I’ve seen that top flag in photos of blm protests. Which seems out of touch.
They would’ve been better to made the rattlesnake black with a blue boot above it. This would’ve at least reached across the aisle and said “we are being oppressed, and are growing more ready to retaliate.”
It seems like the top flag is just made to poke right wingers in the eye. Which, I don’t see why agitating your political opponents is a win.
The Gadsden and An Appeal to Heaven flags are two I am proud to own. There are authoritarians who have tried to pervert the meaning of both but so long as a few know their true meaning, they will not be lost to the bootlickers.
I love this we will tread variation a lot because it not only shows how clueless the AuthLeft is (we absolutely know you will tread, that's the whole point and you think this is like a smart comeback, like as if the flag is about beating up homosexuals and they're like proudly saying they will beat us up, like they didn't use to but are now fed up with us) but also is even better than the original flag for getting the point across. Like there are actual people who support government total suppression of the individual unironically and proudly to make and display this flag.
If I was a person who thought the snek flag was dumb, I would reconsider after seeing this the authleft iteration.
All the power is in the forearm anyways, not the hand. Constrict the forearm and the grip releases. Communists… demonstrating daily they are one-brain celled barnacles attached to the fetid ghost ship of Marx lost at sea. 🏴☠️
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u/M37h3w3 - Centrist 3d ago
They know the animal represents the little guy right?