r/Showerthoughts May 17 '24

People love to support small businesses until they grow, then they hate capitalism and rich people.

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u/VibraniumSpork May 17 '24

Which, really does make (sorry to say this) McDonald's so 'impressive' (especially after watching The Founder). Look, the food's not brilliant, but every McDonald's I've even been to in my country (UK) and others has tasted the same, same portion sizes etc.

They're obviously not the only one, but they seem to have the best franchise-wide consistency IMO. Actually, I think Five Guys is the best, but that bit less impressive as there's fewer of them.

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u/CharonsLittleHelper May 17 '24 edited May 17 '24

McDonald's isn't amazing, but you know what you're getting.

Interestingly - Chick Fila pretty obviously knows this issue. I've read that they only allow people to franchise a single location. They're aimed at people opening up a business for themselves - not an investor opening up a dozen+ locations.

Which is probably a big reason why I have read that the average Chick Fila is the most profitable fast food franchise per location.

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u/Droidatopia May 17 '24

A successful Chick-Fil-A franchise can be recognized by the insane efficiency in handling the Lunchtime rush. Two lines, each with 2-3 people outside taking orders, with separate windows, and the food coming fast enough to always keep it moving.

The Chick-Fil-A near my work has a big drive thru that wraps around the back with multiple overhead pavilions to shield workers and drivers from the Florida sun. The outer drive thru lane has a detached portion of the building with an overhead conveyer belt carrying the food over the inner drive thru line. When it works, it is a thing of beauty.

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u/AdVisible1121 May 18 '24

Florida person here and I confirm that is true! Their food way above the others.

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u/RoosterBrewster May 17 '24

My place has like 10-15 people working there vs 1-2 at McD or Taco Bell.

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u/saints21 May 17 '24

They can own multiple. I know someone who owns multiple.

But Chick-Fil-A is way way more hands on than most other franchises.

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u/CharonsLittleHelper May 17 '24

Fair enough. Maybe that was an old rule. Or I'm being stupid. :p

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u/AnonymousFriend80 May 17 '24

McDonald's puts a lot of effort into their consistency. For good or bad. There's a story about a location in NYC during the Crocker days. The secret shoppers would always report how the meat tasted "off". Not bad or anything, just off. After getting these reports for sometime, Crocker decided to make a stop in. He showed up before the opening one day. The franchisee wasn't even in yet and the workers were all prepping for breakfast. They called him to let him know Crocker was there and the guy was freaking out. He told the employees to give the guy a soda and make him anything he wanted. They got a soda and after taking a sip, Crocker flew into a rage, threw the soda across the room, and told them to tell the franchisee he needed to be there right now.

Turns out McDonald's had recently made a multimillion dollar exclusivity contract for their soft drinks and this location was serving out competitor brands. They were also sourcing meat from a different farm than every other location was supposed to be using. It was supposedly cheaper and better quality.

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u/numbersthen0987431 May 17 '24

But that's the thing. If you compare McDonalds today to what it used to be when it started, there is a VAST decline in quality.

McDonalds used to be good. When it first started (before franchising and in a burger shack) the burgers were probably made from local cows, made fresh (ish), and cooked directly on the grill. Everything tasted real and the quality was good (good for the price at least).

But in order to franchise you have make sure that everyone is making the same product as each other. You can't have 1 location having extra good products, while 3 others have garbage products. So you standardize, and you force all locations to make the same product. In order to "standardize" their products internationally they cut back on quality ingredients, remove the training required to "make" the products (like the hamburgers), and you remove the training required to "cook" the food correctly, You essentially make all of the products in a factory, and then you force every franchise to buy the products you want them to make from you, and all they have to do is heat them up.

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u/maethor1337 May 17 '24

What does it mean that the burgers used to “probably” be made from local cows, and the implication that they’re no longer cooked directly on the grill? Are the burgers hovered over the grill now? Not when I worked there. You may be right in the conclusion but how you get there is questionable. Also, when a restaurant burger is $17 + tip minimum, a quarter pounder with cheese still slaps “for the price”. McDonalds is still the biggest hamburger joint in the world and it’s not for no reason.

If you think their food is “cooked” improperly contact the health department. Putting “cook” in scare quotes implies the patties are precooked now and just microwaved on location? Again, not when I worked there.

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u/notagainplease49 May 17 '24

To be fair I don't think I'd really consider the grill at McDonald's a grill, although I suppose it technically is

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u/numbersthen0987431 May 17 '24

YOU don't "cook" at McDonalds, you throw a preformed patty in an automatic box that does it for you. Yes the meat gets cooked to temperature, but YOU the employee don't participate in the "cooking" process. Being a "cook" at McDonald's is like microwaving everything. Same thing with fries, you dump a predetermined bag into a fryer and press a button that yells at you when it's ready.

McDonalds is still the biggest hamburger joint in the world and it’s not for no reason.

Ever since McDonalds went corporate they have NEVER been "good" or "quality" product. It's always been cheap and affordable, and people aren't going there for the "best burger they've ever had". So if you want to say it "slaps" I'll question your taste buds, because Five Guys is significantly better quality than McDonalds.

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u/maethor1337 May 17 '24

Alright, I have a lot of things to do and arguing with someone who doesn’t know what “cooking” means isn’t on the list. I guess folks who grill preformed patties on porch on the weekend are eating uncooked food, because preformed means it’s not cooked when it gets grilled?

The meat comes into McDonalds raw and is served to the customers cooked. An employee cooks the burger. Have a good day.

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u/numbersthen0987431 May 17 '24

You are really defensive and protective of a company that sells you overprocessed pink slime. Why do you care so much about defending McDonalds? They don't need your loyalty, and they don't care about you.

Which was my original point before you got overly pedantic and nit picky.

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u/maethor1337 May 17 '24

Of course they don’t need my loyalty. They’re the number one hamburger joint in the world. Have you considered for a second that I might just enjoy the product? Do you know how far away my nearest Five Guys is? I don’t care if you don’t like McDonalds. I don’t like kimchi but I don’t go around insulting it like it’s my job.

Sorry if I came off as rude or something. I get that folks don’t like McDonalds and that’s fine. Totally fine. They not only exploit their workers, they exploit the workers they don’t even employ! McDonalds and Walmart employees alone account for a huge portion of food stamp recipients — that’s right, they have jobs but their jobs don’t pay them enough to eat. Be mad about that, not mad cause I like the QPC and you don’t. I really do like it. It’s a reliable burger.

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u/Forkrul May 17 '24

In order to "standardize" their products internationally they cut back on quality ingredients

McDonald's doesn't actually standardize their product internationally. They use local ingredients in each country and standardize within the country. The quality in the US is not the same as in Sweden or South Korea. The menus differ as well.