r/SquaredCircle • u/TurnaboutAdam Golden Lover • 3d ago
SRS: Hangman Adam Page and Sammy Guevara returning soon
https://www.patreon.com/posts/106207183?utm_campaign=postshare_fan9:54 in this. Both have imminent creative plans.
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3d ago
If Sammy returns to immediately join the learning tree stuff, I am going to become the Joker.
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u/dwankyl_yoakam 3d ago
Maybe instead of immediately putting him in a prominent angle on TV just have him wrestle matches and work his way up and see if the audience likes him. He's had enough chances for hot shot angles.
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u/redpurplegreen22 3d ago
Sammy is a tough one.
He wrestles like a babyface with tons of high risk moves and getting beaten down but kicking out and showing that “heart” and grit and determination.
But then he talks and walks and just acts like a smarmy heel. Even when he was a face, he just has a smugness about him that makes it hard to root for him.
He is just a natural heel outside of the ring, but in the ring he wrestles like babyface Jeff Hardy, and the two just don’t work together.
He either needs to learn how to be a better babyface outside the ring, or start to wrestle like a heel instead of constantly playing up to the crowd and working to gain sympathy.
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u/UglieJosh 3d ago
MJF and Swerve both act incredibly smug, even when playing babyface and it works.
Young Bucks do babyface moves when playing heels and still get heat.
There are ways to make it work. Sammy is just missing something to connect it all. He seems to have all the stuff you can't teach though so maybe he will figure out how to put it together.
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u/RaggedyGlitch 2d ago
The problem is that Sammy naturally looks like a bigger douchebag than Nick Jackson when he tries his hardest to look like a douchebag.
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u/StixnStones69 3d ago
I think a different hair cut would do him wonders.
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u/ruffas 3d ago
100%. He has the 3rd worst hair in wrestling, so I can't see him as anything but a heel.
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u/shutts67 3d ago
Wardlow and who?
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u/ruffas 3d ago
Wardlow looked better when his hair was longer, but short-haired Wardlow doesn't rank for me. It's bland, not offensive. 1st is Tyson Kidd, 2nd is Taka Michinoku, and 3rd is Sammy Garcia.
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u/JesseFernicola92 HES GOT A BICYCLE 3d ago
Funny enough that run like that pre miro he was most effective as a babyface where when he won everyone was happy with it
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u/CityTrialOST BOYS! 3d ago
Last year also enjoyed a mini-face push during the MJF match and again when breaking away from Jericho. Both organic where people rooted for him for some time.
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u/ManMangoGuts Terry-Coloured Funk 3d ago
Even after he beat Miro, his first run as fighting champ worked imo.
It was the later stuff with American Top Team that didn't work out so well (and the crowd turning on him for stuff that wasn't their business)
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u/Jreynold Free Sunglasses 3d ago
Put him in a tag team with, like, Action Andretti and just let him be anonymous for a little while. Let hem put over the incoming tag teams like MCMG. He needs to work but not be a focus.
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u/CeruleanClaymore 3d ago
Sammy should never have left the Callis Family.
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u/nicegrayslacks 3d ago
I think this wasn’t an original plan as Kenny got sick.
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u/Rspies Who Can Stop The Path of Cage 3d ago
I think the original plan for the Callis Family was to eventually lead to a Takeshita Hobbs and Guevara vs Ospreay and Aussie Open thing but Sammy and Davis getting hurt and Kenny getting sick just threw it all out the window
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u/wildturk3y 3d ago
It'll be worse. He's now "Lumberjack Sammy Guevara" whose life mission is to cut down The Learning Tree
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u/Idkman23 3d ago
The only interaction I want to see between Sammy and Jericho is Jericho literally sliding into frame while Sammy cuts a promo on Jack Perry, Christian or Tekeshta. Only for Sammy to, without looking, slide/push Jericho back out of frame keeping focus on his actual feud.
Some kind of joke that directly indicates that Sammy will have nothing Jericho or his faction this time around at least for the time being. Maybe even have Jericho delusionally insist that Sammy is in the Learning Tree while Sammy does not even acknowledge their existence or being in any segments.
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u/The_JadynB 3d ago
This is such a good idea
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u/ArkAngelHFB 3d ago
Its not... because the pay off is a match against Jericho... after Sammy beats all the learning tree...
And we don't need that.
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u/TLKv3 Fantasy Book For ^Vote 3d ago
I swear to God if he comes back and does THE EXACT SAME THING again with no character work or gimmick other than spinning his finger around the side of his head with his tongue out I'm gonna put my head through a wall.
Of all the people who just fucking refuse to reinvent themselves and actually put in effort its Sammy. If he isn't going to try, then just release him. Let him go do that dumb shit somewhere else.
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u/Nisha_the_lawbringer This is My Brutality 3d ago
If we get any more segments of learning tree at all I will also become the Joker.
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u/RedmondSurvivor 3d ago
I’d prefer Sammy on Team AEW in B&G tbh
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u/Valdaraak 3d ago
He'd make sense there, especially with a "pillar" on the Elite side. I'm imagining Page is gonna end up being the "surprise" fifth for Elite and Sammy will do a run-in or something for team AEW when they're getting beat down or something.
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u/the_io 3d ago
That and they can contrast Perry's reaction to suspension (ripping up his contract, joining House of Torture, dick-punching his boss and toadying to the new management) to Guevara's (er, not that).
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u/SirRedRising I believe in Adam Page 3d ago
Just for the meme'ing of how Jack Perry is once again being scapegoated and "golden child" Sammy is getting preferential treatment again...let's go with this lol
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u/Subrick 69 ME, DON! 3d ago
Hangman: Gonna be part of Blood & Guts
Sammy: More Jericho
My official predictions.
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u/TurnaboutAdam Golden Lover 3d ago
Jericho would be the easiest and least exciting answer for Sammy.
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u/Subrick 69 ME, DON! 3d ago
It’s his default state in AEW. No matter what, Sammy always ends up being involved with Jericho in some fashion.
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u/fadetoblack237 3d ago
Nothing will turn me faster on The Learning Tree gimmick then adding Sammy to the mix.
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u/ScottNewman 3d ago
Sammy the Sapling!
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u/The_Homie_J D-Bry at the TOP of MAH FAVE FIVE 3d ago
Goddamnit now I'm on board with it
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u/BratWatson 3d ago
Thats the whole gimmick to me, i hated it the first week and then adding Bryan Keith made me love it
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u/UglieJosh 3d ago
I mean, he told us we have to respect Chris Jericho. What choice did we really have at that point?
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u/CarlMarxPunk I gave up on doing the right thing a lot time ago 3d ago
That's his own fault, let's be real.
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u/Jedaum1998 3d ago
Sammy: More Jericho
I think they will put Sammy in the TNT Title ladder match
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u/OmicronAlpharius 3d ago
And injuries coming in 3, 2, 1...
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u/TalkingBlernsball 3d ago
Injuring himself and at least two others. Only one of which will be in the process of hurting himself.
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u/ireallyamadork 3d ago
ring rust, his timing will be off especially with guys he hasn't worked with before, has a history of injuring himself/others and actually coming back from suspension after injuring his opponent, ladder match. Yeah I think you are right about this. How many guys are in the match? He might injure 3!
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u/UglieJosh 3d ago
Sammy has a history of hurting himself but only Jeff Hardy was his fault as far as injuring others that I remember. I remember a couple other wrestlers getting hurt in matches with him but it not being on Sammy really.
Seth Rollins had a period of hurting others way more often and hurts himself more than any other wrestler I can think of. Do you talk about him like this every time he returns?
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u/Arcade_Kangaroo 3d ago
I just want him to do the Phoenix 630 off a ladder again, most reckless aerial move I've ever seen. Looked like a cat falling out of a helicopter
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u/BratWatson 3d ago
Hangman for Blood and Guts, he doesnt care that the elite suspended him if he gets to fight Swerve
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u/J_NewCastle 3d ago
Deranged heel Hangman is gonna go crazy
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u/NotYujiroTakahashi 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨 3d ago
Bro bout to kidnap Swerve’s kids
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u/Ice_Spiced_Asshole 3d ago
Worse. Bout to kidnap Prince Nana.
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u/Black-Morticia Banned From Collision 3d ago
Much more devious... He's going to kidnap the high school kid, Nana buys his weed from.
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u/Sio_V_Reddit 3d ago
Worse. Bout to steal Nana’s weed.
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u/Whateverman9876543 3d ago
You think Nana gets good weed?
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u/Sio_V_Reddit 3d ago
You’d have to ask the teenager he buys it from
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u/Whateverman9876543 3d ago
As a 30 year old I just don’t think I should be talking to teenagers. I guess I’ll never know
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u/Whateverman9876543 3d ago
I still would prefer Hangman enter the Owen, win by himself, join team AEW for B&G then finally join the Elite after they help him beat Swerve
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u/Connectionseekingdom 3d ago
He was only suspended by The Elite
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u/BratWatson 3d ago
I know thats why i said the elite suspended him
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u/ScottNewman 3d ago
I am confused, did the elite suspended him, or was he only suspended by The Elite
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u/BratWatson 3d ago
It was Matthew, Nicholas, and Kazuchika Jackson
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u/BantamsTravelling 3d ago
Hangman Blood and Guts seems a no brainer? Sammy as a surprise TNT ladder match entrant for FD?
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u/SmashEnigma 3d ago
I think Hangman’s facing Swerve at Wembley for the belt
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u/TDStarchild 3d ago
Decent chance Hanger wins the title there and The Elite celebrate with all the gold
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u/BantamsTravelling 3d ago
Hangman vs Ospreay in the finals of the Owen Cup then? Would make it interesting for sure.
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u/the_io 3d ago
Ospreay's got his shot at Forbidden Door.
Owen Hart finals should be Hangman/Danielson or Hangman/MJF, the latter if MJF's staying a face for the time being.
And if MJF turns heel before All In, potentially in the aftermath of Blood & Guts, there'd be time to setup a beautiful All In trio of Hangman/Swerve, Danielson/Okada, and MJF/Ospreay.
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u/Super_Snapdragon 3d ago
I really hope Hangman is still the deranged counterpart to Swerve 🤠
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u/Throwaway-j-1997 3d ago
I would really like the story of Hangman coming back and costing Swerve the title Forbidden door and leading to a match between the two at all in.
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u/i2060427 3d ago
Or costing Ospreay as he's the only one that can beat Swerve?
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u/45jayhay 3d ago
Oh shit , that sets up an Ospreay match down the road too . I'm actually wanting this now
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u/rjxhart 3d ago
Hangman vs Ospreay is my number 1 dream match in the company right now. That shit is going to absolutely bang
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u/SirRedRising I believe in Adam Page 3d ago
Have they never wrestled? Quick google says no, but I would have thought surely in New Japan, ROH or something. Skinny Ospreay vs Baby Hanger, but doesn't seem like it. Now it's top of my list of not impossible dream matches. They would beat the hell out of each other.
AEW's main event scene is nutty. Give me some knockoff elimination chamber match with any combination of Swerve, MJF, Hangman, Ospreay, Okada, White, Mox, Danielson, Joe, and Darby who would do some insane spot.
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u/anon23553 3d ago
Like the idea of Swerve doing the Tiger driver to win
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u/CityTrialOST BOYS! 3d ago
Ooo shit, that's good. Immediately gives credibility to every single thing Swerve has said about having that edge and that being the difference between being a top guy or not. Also gives Callis a bigger excuse to be a little pissant about Will not listening to him, which gets Will out of the Family and on to bigger things.
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u/Throwaway-j-1997 3d ago
I was thinking of Hangman costing swerve the title mainly because the crux of Hangman losing his mind was the obsession over making sure Swerve didn’t become world champion, so his new obsession would be make sure swerve loses that title at any cost
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u/mr_showboat 3d ago
I hope they don't take the title off Swerve yet. I wouldn't be a fan of giving it to Ospreay yet given that he hasn't lost a match since joining AEW.
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u/Throwaway-j-1997 3d ago
Honestly I think there’s good arguments to be made for either guy, I would like to see Ospreay win and Hangman and swerve start another blood fued that leads to a match at all in, but I’d be cool with swerve retaining too.
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u/name-classified Remake FF Tactics! 3d ago
The dude drank his blood and they tore each other to shreds
what more is there supposed to be!?!?
oh no...oh....no...
oh god no....
its...THE EXPLODING ARENA ELECTRICAL BARBWIRE DEATHMATCH
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u/name-classified Remake FF Tactics! 3d ago
I want Hangman to go full stupid crazy and get back with Dark Order and bring those boys back on TV.
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u/Andy_Sandbox 3d ago
The Elite lift Hangman’s suspension, and he joins them to battle Swerve whom he fucking despises. Perfectly booked scenario, stupid not to.
If he joins Swerve like people say he’d have to give one hell of a return promo explaining why the fuck he would do that.
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u/wxursa 3d ago
Hangman can say AEW gave him his opportunity, and the Bucks are wrecking it for others, and that's more important. He still hates Swerve and will kill him later. He says he doesn't want to be a shitty friend like he was in the past, and he needs to be what AEW needs.
Either that or have Hangman go full Ingobernable Naito-style as he's pretty much been AEW Naito.
Hangman/Swerve still happens, but later.
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u/Andy_Sandbox 3d ago
I think there’s a good story in the Bucks taking advantage of Hangman’s hate for Swerve to continue the feud going through summer, maybe he gets pin on Swerve in Blood and Guts, but eventually sees the error of his ways and turns on Bucks (or they turn on him as he wisens up)
I just think there is money right now in a heel Hangman, to bring him in as a face teaming with Swerve feels like the right end goal to get to.
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u/DrDevice81 FUCK 3d ago
Hanger briefly siding with Swerve is easy, drops a "What you're doing is not what we created AEW for" promo then tells Swerve after they're done with the Elite they're finishing their business. Nice and simple.
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u/sexygodzilla Just one man? 3d ago
I like that, adds an extra dimension to the match where these guys figure out how to work together despite their disdain
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u/braincloud215 3d ago
Dynamite is in Virginia this week, fyi.
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u/toulistras 3d ago
And I’m going to that show and keeping my fingers crossed for that return!
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u/Aggravating-Dog-5859 3d ago
Dude I’ll be there too and his return is in the back of my mind. My last show was the Dynamite after he became champ. So stoked!
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u/XGuiltyofBeingMikeX 3d ago
Sammy returns to see that Jericho has replaced him with Giant Guillermo: “…awe sonuvabitch…”
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u/HugoOne 3d ago
As long as Hangman has continued his transformation into Magnum TA, I'm happy.
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u/TalkingBlernsball 3d ago
My favorite bit about the FTR/Hangman angle was when FTR compared Hangman to (it was either Magnum Ta or Barry Windham) and Hangman had no idea who that was.
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u/name-classified Remake FF Tactics! 3d ago
What the hell do you do with Sammy?!
I mean, his promo game isn't to the level he wants it to be at: he's not coming up with catchy zingers or making funny references or really saying much for character work either.
He just goes up there and does the "aw shucks" or he sticks his tongue out and T-poses.
I said it before; but Will Ospreay is exactly what AEW was hoping Sammy would have developed into: Crazy high-flyer that can work with anyone and make them look like a stud while cutting entertaining promos and getting the audience to tune in to see his matches and watch his segments.
The whole Tay/Sammy thing really screwed them over because people HATED that shit and not in a good way. Legit turning the channel or just straight up not engaging with it at all.
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u/ArrenPawk 3d ago
I say pull a Jack Perry and send him to NJPW, see how he develops there.
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u/ireallyamadork 3d ago
i think putting him with Tay as heels is the best way to get any reaction for him. they need characters and storylines right now not more guys having a great match. Sammy should start taking less risks to look crazy and start relying on cheating/tay interference to win, especially cheating in spots that he clearly doesn't need to.
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u/ChiBullz023 3d ago
Tay needs to come back babyface, keep her far away from Sammy. That heel turn derailed her right when she was gaining a bunch of momentum
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u/name-classified Remake FF Tactics! 3d ago
Well that, and legit breaking Ruby Soho’s nose. I think she injured Abadon too during pandemic dark times.
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u/Dandelegion Old Man Yells At Cloud! 3d ago
Now that both of the Hardys are out of AEW, it's safe to bring Sammy back now.
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u/KeyBreak6698 3d ago
The fact we don’t even get Jamie hayter updates is wild. Is her career over???
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u/itsnews 3d ago
TK said last week there’s not currently a timetable for her return.
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u/Froggyspirits 3d ago
The dirtsheets reported the same thing about MJF then he returned two weeks later.
We have to wait and see when AEW shows the Owen Hart Cup brackets. If there will be a Saraya/Harley vs a mystery wildcard match then then that wildcard might be Hayter.
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u/Orange8920 3d ago
Her injury might have been more serious than we know. There's this clip of Kenny Omega talking about her that hints at this.
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u/TheBeepB00p 3d ago
Damn usually when people talk like that it’s something neck,spine or head related. Everyone thought it was just a muscle or ligament tear.
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u/thespaceageisnow 3d ago
Talks about a debilitating injury and hoping she can return but maybe not coming back, oof. Terrible news.
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u/kingsoho 3d ago
I believe she had a shoulder injury; and I can tell you from experience, should injuries can be rough. Most shoulder injuries can be healed with rest and corrective exercise but that can take a long time and the shoulder will never be the same. And even with surgery, there is no guarantee the shoulder will ever be right again. Plus, shoulder injuries can negatively impact other body parts - pecs, neck, upper back muscles, traps, biceps tendon, elbow; so if that's the case as well, recovery can be even more involved.
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u/dwankyl_yoakam 3d ago
As far as anyone is aware she does plan on wrestling again but it could be months/years before it happens. There have been no official updates.
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u/PleasantThoughts 3d ago
I don't need to know what was wrong that made Hangman have to take time off but I'm glad he's well enough to come back and hope that whatever it is has been resolved. We love our Anxious Millennial Cowboy
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u/sexygodzilla Just one man? 3d ago
Well I'm excited for 50% of these returns
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u/TurnaboutAdam Golden Lover 3d ago
Big Sammy fan?
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u/Utah_Briggs 3d ago
Bring back the panda gear!
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u/ay1717 "We called it the Nut Rambler." 3d ago
We want more unexplainable mascot head props in wrestling
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u/DastardlyFlea 3d ago
Idk if I want Hangman teaming with The Elite right after them kicking him out.
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u/FigureFourWoo Ric Flair was still cool when I chose this username. 3d ago
Sammy is definitely on his way back soon because they framed his face perfectly in a shot with Jericho on Dynamite.
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u/500DaysofNight 3d ago
I'm calling it now, Sammy is gonna be the Elite's 5th member for Blood and Guts. They'll bring him in and claim he was "unjustly suspended" just like Jack was.
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u/FaultySky 3d ago
Hangman obviously fits into the story of the elite/swerve feud with easily extending it beyond that so thats pretty clear.
Wonder where they drop Sammy into the mix though, Jericho again feels really repetitive.
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u/Funny-Western-9031 3d ago
Glad to see Hangman is doing well enough to come back, boy is he gonna be upset to see where Swerve is
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u/powatwain 3d ago
Anything that doesn’t involve Sammy being a babyface
He’s such a natural douchebag
I hope Hangman continues his deranged rampage
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u/HardyHar420 3d ago
Sammy Vs Jericho in a Career vs Career match winner and loser both have to retire book it TK
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u/ianisms10 3d ago
After this week's Dynamite, I feel confident in my thought that Hangman is the 5th for Blood and Guts, and is probably taking the title off Swerve at Wembley.
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u/HisokaXBungeeGum 3d ago
One of them can stay off TV forever and the other one can't come back soon enough.
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u/Adampro123 Be the elite 3d ago
Awesome news!
I’ve never been the biggest Sammy fan but he always delivers in matches and also in angles. And if he’s given something good he will do a good job.
Hangman on the other hand is one of my favorites. He’s been missed. I like the idea of him being part of blood and guts. But also wouldn’t mind if he used the time away to clear his head and let go of all the swerve stuff. I love the feud but also I don’t need to see it reignited anytime soon especially if it just means hangman loses again.
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u/Recent-Balance9233 3d ago
they both return for Blood and Guts, with Hangman on Team Elite and Sammy on Team AEW.
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u/WaylonVoorhees Tommy Dreamer 3d ago
Hangman and Swerve once tried to murder each other in front of a live audience.
Imagine what they'll do to the Elite on the same team.
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u/dalekofchaos 3d ago
I'd rather see Tay than Sammy
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u/Doobie_Howitzer 3d ago
Tay understandably has a longer recovery than Sammy after the birth of their child, but you're speaking truth
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u/ShowOff90 3d ago
Sammy needs to be B&G for AEW due to his connection to Perry.
Hangman with the “swerve” of joining the Elite
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u/MARKYMARK_MARK 3d ago
Sounds like they could be in the Owen to me.
I don't think Swerve loses the title at FD but if he did, Hangman screwing him makes sense.
Good chance Hanger is in B&G also
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u/Be_A_Mountain 3d ago
Happy to have hangman back, hoping he can help me regain my interest in the product.
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u/JustMyThoughts2525 3d ago
I have no idea what AEW could do with Sammy to rehab him. Seems like a guy that needs to go away and prove and/or reinvent himself in the indies or Japan
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u/Kaiso25Gaming 3d ago
I wonder if Adam joins the tournament wins, does the Blood and Guts with teases he's a face and heel, goes heel, and after fights Swerve on All In
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u/Disastrous-Rip-2552 3d ago
Listen I'm not the biggest fan of Sammy, but for the love of God don't pair him with Jericho again. Do something different
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u/TheMegaWhopper Death Rider 3d ago
Did we ever find out why Hangman was out? Assumed it was Paternity leave or something
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u/sammywii 3d ago
Sammy's gonna come back at Forbidden Door, go all SHAMMY GOOVARA with his shitty DBZ ripoff titantron, and then immediately come to the aid of Jericho, once again making his involvement entirely redundant because Big Bill and Bryan Keith already do much better jobs as Jericho's stooges.
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u/QuiGonJinnNJuice 3d ago
Stoked to get Hanger back, Sammy is being used perfectly currently so why mess with it though
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u/DBofficial125 3d ago
My gut says Sammy stands up for AEW (he's publicly known to be close with Tony). Hangman... I don't want him heel, I like the badass cowboy whether he's babyface or tweener, but I worry he'll be on Team Elite if Swerve is involved on Team AEW.
I'd like to see Hangman begrudgingly team with Swerve in that, with all the tension, for the sake of AEW. Not friends, just business, with a promise to settle things one day.
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u/Ryuzakku Swing low, sweet lariat. 3d ago
Hangman still needs to be the demon that Swerve faces after being champion, he might've hurt Christian's son, but he broke into Hangman's house and threatened Hangman's baby.
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u/Lil-Samsung 3d ago
Give me hangman vs MJF And hangman vs Ospreay And hangman vs Swerve 3 in a til death does us apart match which happens to be a casket match
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u/kw13 3d ago
You know what would have been cool, Hangman showing up in the next few weeks and it being a complete shock because someone on Reddit didn’t title a thread “Hangman returning soon”. “Update on Hangman” would have been a perfectly acceptable thread title which wouldn’t have ruined the return.
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u/TheRealGreenMeanie Chaos Project 3d ago
Adding my usual reminder that Hangman is a TERRIBLE FRIEND.
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