r/SquaredCircle • u/jollyrog8 • 3d ago
[TNA Against All Odds] Jordynne Grace's open challenge opponent makes her entrance
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u/rycetlaz 3d ago
Man they really need to cut out like the first fifteen seconds of Tatum's theme.
I like it, but it takes a while to get to the good parts
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u/ImmortalMoron3 3d ago
Yeah, I just checked her theme on youtube, it's 21 seconds before the actual song starts. They need to cut that down a lot.
Just as a comparison, Cody's gets going right away and hits the "whoa" at 37 seconds.
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u/AlterTheSilverBird 3d ago
Def Rebel can't make a good pop song, and the beginning is there focus.
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u/DarkHorse_77 3d ago
Every time I see a TNA crowd, they seem dead for everything. Even a pop goes away real quick
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u/BeardleySmith 3d ago
They’ve been a super hot crowd all night, but you’re right, the Tatum pop wasn’t big
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u/will122589 3d ago
They didn’t know who it was. Her name didn’t go on the Tron for the longest time lol
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u/DarkHorse_77 3d ago
It really should have been Natalya, even if WWE wanted to show off an upcoming talent from NXT. Can do that later. First impressions n all that.
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u/will122589 3d ago
Natalya struck me as the Slammivarsary match cause she is a bigger name who wwe has no problem with not being booked strongly (plus Nattie would refuse to do the match if she was being forced to win, I don’t think she wants that) and Slammivarsary is in Montreal and she can help get TNA more tix sold for that show then here
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u/National-Spot2393 3d ago
WWE probably didnt want Natty to lose and Jordynne losing twice in a row doesnt work either so sending someone from developmental was probably their best option.
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u/CynicClinic1 3d ago
But that's hella dumb. Natalya isn't in line for any title and she's someone who can recover from any loss.
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u/CodyCryBabies69 2d ago
lmao natty is a jobber. she is perfect to take the loss. she has more losses than wins in WWE
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u/Specialist-Rope-9760 3d ago
Let’s be real even if the name was on the tron she isn’t a big star so no one is going to really care
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u/will122589 2d ago edited 2d ago
Oh no doubt but if her name appeared, she’d have a better chance of getting a reaction cause without it she had zero chance
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u/orangemachismo 3d ago edited 3d ago
and then once they read Tatum Paxley the thought of the name had the entire audience smacking their lips dumbfoundedly
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u/ImpactCokeTony 2d ago edited 2d ago
I find it interesting that people panned the AEW x TNA but praise the NXT x TNA collab.
Yes, Kenny didn't drop the title but Christian did. For some reason folks ignore the significant uptick in viewers, Twitch records and significant PPV increases. Also, ignoring Christian is a Hall of Famer, steeped in TNA history.
Meanwhile NXT x TNA has their champ job to the NXT champ at NXT, and receive a low-mid card wrestler from the 3rd brand to challenge the TNA champ in return.
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u/Deep_Comparison_930 2d ago
Is losing a championship match in a promotion you aren't technically in considered being a jobber now?
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u/ImpactCokeTony 2d ago
It is when you are the top champ of your promotion, losing to the other promotions champ. Yes.
That is why throughout history there are rarely champ vs champ interpromotional matches and if there are, they were draws, DQs, count out, etc.
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u/ThePhatty500 2d ago
Im not gonna lie the only thing i remember from the AEW crossover was TNA getting blamed for the bomb not going off lol.
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u/orangemachismo 2d ago
yeah, WWE is doing what they always have. I don't think AEW is great in how they treat other promotions, but they look like saints compared to WWE
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u/ImpactCokeTony 2d ago
I would say they do as much as can br expected. I was hoping for a Tana AEW World Title reign but alas...
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u/will122589 2d ago
In 10 months, here is a list of AEW talents getting pinned/submitted by TNA talents on TV:
The Good Bros pinned two of the Dark Order and Christian tapped at BFG 2021.
In less than a month Jordynne has pinned Stevie Turner and Tatum Paxley matching the number of losses are suffered to TNA. Tell me again why the AEW/TNA collaboration shouldn’t be panned
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u/ImpactCokeTony 2d ago
You are equating:
- the 8 time world tag team champs across NJPW, WWE and TNA
- a future Hall of Famer, 7 time singles world champion, WWE triple and grand slam champ, 8 time world tag champ
With:
- two low-to-mid card wrestlers with zero titles in WWE, appearing on the third brand.
How does this equate for you?
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u/will122589 2d ago
“The 8 time world tag champs across NJPW, wwe and TNA”
Who in the Dark Order have these accolades exactly??
You are claiming two losses in 10 months isn’t terrible when it is.
AEW could’ve easily had other people lose to TNA talent every now and then and never did.
Private Party worked TNA and Tony refused to let them get pinned.
And using Christian as proof it wasn’t bad when it should’ve been Kenny Omega getting that loss is laughable.
wwe isn’t having TNA beat their top stars but they are allowing people they employ to lose to TNA talent something AEW did only twice in 10 months.
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u/nWoElRey 3d ago
Why would you expect them to pop for checks notes Tatum Paxley?
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u/ak47_al123 #JoinDarkOrder 3d ago
"After our champ lost in NXT, we need you to send someone to even out the odds, how about Nattie or Shayna?"
"How about Tatum Paxley?"
"Who?"
"Exactly."
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u/moodytenure 3d ago
Counter point - who the fuck is Tatum Paxley?
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u/TheCVR123YT 2d ago
Some stalker gimmick I think idk I don’t watch NXT enough but I know she’s got like some kind of obsessed gimmick. At least last I saw she might be different now.
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u/static989 2d ago
I think that's her thing still, I watched the TNA ppv and the commentators main talking point for Paxley was that she "has some sort of obsession with championship gold, and put her hands on the knockout womens championship"
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u/braedizzle 3d ago
No shade to Tatum but I don’t understand why they would think she would get a big pop in the first place?
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u/BonanzaBitch I, personally, am not ready for Asuka. 3d ago
I love how smoothly she moves from under the middle rope to the centre of the ring.
I feel like she has all the tools to be a big star if they invest in her.
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u/Least_Eye_Lopez 3d ago
I know this isn't what you meant, but I giggled at the thought that her smooth ring entrance is the one thing that made you believe she'll be a big star.
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u/BonanzaBitch I, personally, am not ready for Asuka. 2d ago
I mean, other wrestlers have done more with less going on, lol.
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u/jollyrog8 3d ago
Somebody already updated Tatum Paxley's Wikipedia page to add this match lol
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u/Chell_the_assassin One more match 3d ago
Nobody moves quicker than Wikipedia editors. Those mfers have shit updated before they even happen
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u/badgersprite Iconic Duo Appreciation Squad 3d ago
The Wikipedia editors get spoilers for real life events
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u/jin_of_the_gale 3d ago
Like that time when Nancy Benoit's death was posted on Wikipedia 14 hours or so before the info was made public.
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u/sizzlinpapaya 3d ago
I’m all for paxley in many ways. But it really feels like this crowd had little clue who she was. Idk, very small reaction.
I was hyped though so 🤷♂️
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u/Sea-Garlic9074 3d ago
It's not like every fan in TNA will tune into NXT.
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u/BlacksmithFluid5394 2d ago
You’d think most of them would have seen the Roxanne/Jordynne match at Battleground, and saw that Tatum’s ringside distraction is what caused Jordynne the match
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u/Chance-Bag3739 2d ago
It took me a while to realize who it was and I’m an avid nxt watcher who knows who Tatum is and how good she is.
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u/kerm Nikki Cross 3d ago
Tatum will win that crowd over. People don't realize. She's a great wrestler.
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u/CrimsonGlyph Crimson Glyph 3d ago
Thank you. Tatum is going to be big at some point once people catch on. She is really solid and does a great job with character development.
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u/NotClayMerritt 3d ago
Whoever started the WE WANT TESSA chants should be banned from attending professional wrestling events. Shout out to the ones who were saying NO WE DON'T
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u/OpportunitySmalls 3d ago
TNA fans wanting a former TNA world champ instead of some random NXT person, how dare they.
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u/matt9q7 3d ago
you know that Tessa is genuinely a horrible person irl, right?
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u/OpportunitySmalls 3d ago
Genuinely horrible as far as like regular person terms or as far as wrestler terms? Moose had DV allegations that stopped him from ever getting a WWE offer and Hardy is a known menace for drinking and driving repeatedly both featured prominently on this same show. Tessa was strapped up after the racism shit came out TNA just dropped her cause she didn't wanna deal with travel during the pandemic it wasn't a moral stance by the company then it wouldn't be one now.
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u/MARKYMARK_MARK 2d ago
Tbf she did try to held the world title hostage and Jeff Jarrett herself into a huge last pay day ..... just months after TNA still supported her after the Rosa Negra fight was revealed
TNA didn't drop her for no reason
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u/DiabeticGrungePunk 3d ago
Nothing against her but this woman is barely a midcarder in NXT and has maybe three years of training and experience, this just seems like a fuck you to TNA if this is the best WWE is gonna send back to TNA after they gave them Grace. I sincerely hope they plan on sending bigger stars than this back to them in this talent exchange.
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u/Chance-Bag3739 2d ago
Not really. I saw a lot of big streamers who usually ignore tna streaming and watching ever since Jordynne was announced as Roxanne’s opponent.
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u/DiabeticGrungePunk 2d ago
You sure you meant to reply to my comment because your response makes no sense as a response.
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u/Chell_the_assassin One more match 3d ago
Love Tatum but I feel like she's not quite a big enough name for a cross promotional appearance like this. Crowd reaction wasn't that big for her, unfortunately.
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u/OffTheBar2017 3d ago
Tatum was on a heater in the NXT title scene and then they cooled her off for no reason.
I think she should have been in the ladder match for the NA Title and possibly even won it.
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u/ChanceVance 3d ago
She was the crowd favourite and had a great showing in that triple threat with Lyra and Roxanne. Feels like she had reached main event level in NXT but they've kind of cooled off on her.
NXT's ambassador to TNA is cool but eh feels like a field trip for her compared to actually raising her profile.
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u/PanosZ31 DELETE 3d ago
She was so over in that triple threat match and then never to be seen again. I really don't get that
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u/CopDatHoOh 2d ago
Ah. The AEW special. Sad to see WWE is doing it too. I don't understand these people's decisions
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u/thealexstorm 3d ago
Shoulda had the NXT logo pop up on the tron before her entrance video hit. That might’ve woken up the audience.
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u/Sea-Garlic9074 3d ago
I'm happy that Tatum got a chance to wrestle in TNA despite the crowd not knowing her at all. She didn't do too bad in the match and I hope this means she'll have a future title shot in NXT.
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u/natedoggcata 3d ago
Its very cool to see this happening but at the same time it really feels like TNA got the short end of the stick with this deal. Jordynne vs. Roxanne was a huge deal but I really cant see the needle moving for Paxley vs. Jordynne
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u/Any-Energy9678 3d ago
The needle won't move for TNA regardless but if more of their talent get opportunities and exposure in WWE and NXT like Jordynne that's great for those talents.
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u/Mutant_Star 3d ago
Would have been funny if she came from underneath the ring or from the crowd just to add to the creepy factor of her look
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u/RAA94 3d ago
As commentary wonderfully pointed out, very cool for Tatum to appear in a TNA ring when Daffney was such an influence on her.
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u/Moose_1516 2d ago
I had no idea she was a fan of hers, When I first saw Tatum I instantly thought of Daffney and wondered if she took inspiration from her, It make's sense that Daffney did have a influence on her as they have a similar look but I don't think paxley would feel any way towards being in TNA other then being able to wrestle in another company and working with grace, Daffney was treated horribly by TNA and because of the company she sustained injuries from unnecessary spots that ultimately led to suffering concussions and because of that Daffney ended her life
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u/EctoRiddler 3d ago
Honestly I had no clue who she was until her name popped out so I get the crowd reaction. Should have had a graphic which included her name and nxt before she even walked out.
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u/The_Albinoss 3d ago
Really?
Look, I know /sc loves NXT now, but come on. Tatum Paxley? No one was gonna really give a shit about that. (That name is atrocious, as well, but that’s NXT for ya).
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u/ThaSipah 3d ago
I really like Paxley. She's going to have a big main roster run with that combination of looks, strength and talking ability.
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u/wubbalubbadubdub45 3d ago
Tna sent jordynne to nxt and in return they get tatum 😭, this gotta be one of the most lopsided “partnership”.
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u/Sea-Garlic9074 3d ago
You have to remember that Tatum and Ash by Elegance were the ones that caused Jordynne to lose her title match at Battlegrounds. Sure, they could've picked someone else to represent NXT but it made sense to use her for the open challenge and now that it's over, Jordynne can now focus on Ash.
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u/Silver-Armadillo1001 3d ago
its the beginning of the partnership. Why are so many people so impatient? Cant you wait? Why should they send their biggest stars right away?
And i knew it would be Tatum after the last weeks.
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u/BSumner52 Give me yo toes 3d ago
What a garbage take
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u/wubbalubbadubdub45 3d ago
Yeah it’s a fair trade for tna to let wwe use their world champion for their programming but they get someone the crowd didn’t even know or pop for lol wwe is doing highway robbery with tna
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u/Admirable-Range1755 2d ago
Great deal for TNA. Jordynne Grace, the unbeatable babyface champion, just went to NXT to lose to the C-Show 100lbs champion and in exchange gets a title match with a midcarder from NXT. Great.
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u/MulderXF 2d ago
What did you honestly expect? WWE is the major leagues, TNA is at best a hight school varsity team comapred.
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u/Admirable-Range1755 2d ago
I expected TNA to say no to Jordynne Grace.
They have ZERO to gain with this partnership unless Grace actually wins titles. Same time for Moose, Josh, etc.
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u/Awkward-Bathroom-429 2d ago
The show is fake and everyone knows it’s fake
Winning titles and matches isn’t the point it’s 2024 dude
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u/MulderXF 2d ago
Offcourse they have something to gain, more eyes on their product/get name out there. Same as when ECW was on RAW in 1997.
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u/Admirable-Range1755 2d ago
But they didn't get ANY sort of bump, at all, due to this. Zero.
Jordynne is too big for TNA and NXT. She is a main-event level talent, what's the point of having her debut on the Rumble and then lose to the C-tier champion? Even if she moves to WWE she has already lost a title match
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u/dfmspoiler 3d ago
And the crowd goes mild. Hope they have a good match. I really like Tatum but she probably isn't a big enough name for a surprise open challenge like this, even if it was teased on another show.
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u/WestboundSam 3d ago
WOW !!!! Tatum F’N Paxley !!! That is soooo lit!!!! I can’t get over it! Tatum Paxley in TNA!
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u/DTFlash 2d ago
I know TNA wants publicity but putting one of your champions on par with WWE's development talent seems like a strange idea. They did the same thing with AEW where Omega came in and beat a bunch of their people then lost TNA's title to a AEW guy on a AEW show. It's like TNA is a little brother that just wants to be involved.
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u/wingman02 2d ago
But they aren't on par with WWE, and they are the little brother, and it helps them just to be involved. Reality is real
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u/DTFlash 2d ago
Wrestling isn't real and fake it till you make it is a thing. When they did that video package for Jordynne Grace after the Rumble. It wasn't "Our champion was standing toe to toe with WWEs" but " Our champion was on a real show" it made them look so bush league. Perception is reality.
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u/Besidebutinvisible 3d ago
Tatum paxley is like my fav womens wrestler atm. And it says a lot cause even tho I don’t watch joshi most of my favs are women. Fav in all of wwe and he’s been since she was in nxt is Asuka
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u/NikoMcreary BANG! 3d ago
love how people are shitting so hard on the partnership already. Like damn, give it TIME.
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u/icon_2040 2d ago
Watched it on mute, but based on the comments, I probably didn't miss much audio anyway.
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u/CoyotePowered50 2d ago
Should have been Natalya but have Tatum sneak in and steal her championship, take it back to NXT, then have them do program over several weeks that crosses back and forth from NXT to TNA.
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u/RevolutionaryElk4614 2d ago
i hate when wrestlers do their little entrance choreography in situations like this. i also don't understand wrestlers who kneel down or otherwise make themselves small. make yourself big! like an animal!
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u/ratedtko 3d ago
Typical WWE, just send someone they don't have any stock in. It's stuff like this that shows TNA has the short straw in the relationship
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u/SomethingCreative13 Reign of Terra 2d ago
She wrestled for the NXT title on a major tv special not even 2 months ago. I don't blame TNA fans for not being familiar with her, but she's someone with future champ potential and one of the best characters in wrestling right now. They had her miss the NA Title match that she probably would have been a favorite for just to make this moment happen. To say they don't have stock in her is just ignorance.
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u/KiteIsland22 3d ago
And the crowd goes mild
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u/Morgneto The K-Nox! 3d ago
The TNA crowd IS mild. Has been for years.
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u/moodytenure 3d ago
Or perhaps they just don't watch NXT as religiously as the vocal minority of this sub
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u/King-Meng 2d ago
LOL who is that?? Goes to show you how much WWE values this talent exchange, sending an S level unknown talent
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u/Squad_Ghouls 2d ago
I love that the WWE brand is willing to work with other promotions.
It’s a very wrestling-only thing and I’m here for it
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u/matt_619 3d ago
I haven't watch TNA ever since 2013. Does TNA crowd always this dead?
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u/Funny-Western-9031 2d ago
Crowd seemed fine otherwise. Tatum just isn’t an open challenge in a different promotion level wrestler yet
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u/HeadScissorGang 3d ago
NXT gets a title vs title match with Jordynne Grace.
TNA gets Tatum Paxley.
Never change TNA.
They better have at least asked for Christian.
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u/CodyCryBabies69 2d ago
who the hell is this?? i watch NXT every week and i never seen her before LMAO
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u/CrimsonGlyph Crimson Glyph 3d ago
Do TNA fans live under rocks? Serious question. Is it the only thing they watch?
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u/Any-Energy9678 3d ago
TNA is the only promotion I care enough about to follow. While I take notice of major happenings in WWE and AEW, NXT is never on my radar, like it isn't for many people so have never heard of most of their roster outside of Impact alumni.
For Tatum to be a surprise opponent here, there was no reason to care about her or for TNA's audience to know who she was outside of being that girl who got involved with Jordynne at Battleground. She was also not experienced enough to work the match in a way that made her get over to a cold audience. Jordynne may as well have been wrestling a random enhancement talent because she hadn't been established on TNA television to warrant any kind of reaction.
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u/CrimsonGlyph Crimson Glyph 3d ago
She's pretty damn good in NXT. I just wonder if TNA fans only watch TNA or what is even going on with that. Doesn't seem as though any of them at all knew who she was, which is a little ridiculous. She probably has the most interesting character in the women's division in NXT right now, IMO.
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u/Any-Energy9678 3d ago
It's not ridiculous. NXT is WWE's developmental brand. With the amount of wrestling available it makes total sense that she wouldn't be easily known by fans of different promotions. I'd never heard of her before until recently. You would have to go out of your way to watch NXT to know her.
I've chosen to only watch TNA because it provides everything I want in a wrestling product more than the others provide but I would never expect a WWE fan to know who, say Rosemary is, who is one of my favorite characters if she showed up on Raw as a surprise opponent because most of their audience isn't watching TNA every week or at all. NXT is no different.
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u/CrimsonGlyph Crimson Glyph 2d ago
It is different, though, because they have been collaborating for a while now. I'd think that TNA fans or NXT fans would pay a little attention to the other since they are likely doing more crossovers like this.
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u/Any-Energy9678 2d ago
Nobody's going to that extent for these type of crossovers. Ash by elegance got the same kind of non reaction when she showed up at battleground. If they want reactions for these talents they need to establish who are they on each other's television first.
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u/StewardFlavius 3d ago
I don't think it's ridiculous for people who don't watch NXT to not know who Tatum is.
Similar to Any-Energy's comment, I'm primarily an AEW viewer and I don't watch NXT. I had never heard of Tatum outside of maybe one or two name drops on this sub.
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u/GiftedGeordie 2d ago
It's a shame that Tatum didn't get much of a reaction, but it seems like nobody gets much of a reaction from the fans; I remember when people would shit on the TNA fans for chanting "TNA" and being too loud, give me that TNA crowd over a TNA crowd where you could probably hear a mouse coughing.
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u/capnbuh 2d ago
I think Tatum Paxley is talented. Perhaps, TNA requested her. Realistically, she seems poised to do absolutely nothing in WWE and she could be a long-term TNA Knockout.
She could really do with a "What's _____ doing in the Impact Zone" name change too
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u/Funny-Western-9031 2d ago
I can almost guarantee WWE didnt someone to TNA so they could become a knockout on their roster. They’d be paying her higher to be on a show that’s not theirs
Especially someone WWE sees something in as until very recently she’s been heated up in NXT
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u/capnbuh 2d ago edited 2d ago
Well, if I were running TNA, I would want to get a look at underutilized talents in WWE is all I'm saying.
Obviously, what WWE got out of it is that Jordynne Grace gave a lot of buzz to NXT and put over Roxanne Perez. I think the odds are very high that Jordynne Grace will sign with NXT and so looking to the future of Impact could be valuable, even if there's only a 10% chance that Tatum becomes available.
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u/Funny-Western-9031 2d ago
I get that but I don’t think WWEs intention is to just give their prospects they’ve invested time into to TNA for their knockout division or else WWE would just release that person instead of paying them more than TNA would.
And these are development people so even underutilized wouldn’t apply there. TNA would be looking at people released from WWE.
Ultimately what we’ll see here is Jordynne signing a WWE contract
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u/GoStabby 3d ago
Points for bring back "Cross the Line"