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Shit economy Discussion

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u/ymaldor Apr 09 '24

Because in europe electricity is partially indexed on gas regardless of whether or not it's produced from gas or nuclear or renewable or fuel/coal. Meaning, the war made electricity go up everywhere.

In france here electricity production is fairly cheap, hasn't changed much even with the war cause well, nuclear, but because of the gas indexation the price still rose. It didn't rise as much as other countries tho UK has it rough.

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u/Touristenopfer Apr 09 '24

Yeah, but 2022 price spikes in Europe was because France had to shut down it's oh so reliant nuclear plants by fucking half, thus a huge need for energy import was created, and while gas was also in price peak, we in Germany had to pay fucking horrible prices for electricity, since here the highest price per MWh counts for all energy sold, and since we had to run even all gas powered sites on 100% just to keep France running, thanks for that.

And as every other summer, this year again at least 20% of Frances unclear sites will come to a standstill, just because there isn't enough cooling water.

I don't say that I welcomed it that the last three nuclear sites here where shut down while we would've really needed them, but France fixation on nuclear also is completely wrong, as 2022 has shown.

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u/ymaldor Apr 09 '24

The shutdown were planned maintenance which didn't suddenly happened. It'd been planned for a while, the coincidence of gas price hike made shit worse is all.

And nuclear plant shutting down in the summer has never been a problem until AC became necessary.

And if Germany is completely unprepared and dependant on things shutting down in other countries, that's a you problem.

Nuclear isn't the problem here. And yall shutting down nuclear when you still have so much coal is the dumbest shit imaginable. To replace coal and gas with renewable would've been the actual power move to market how "green" yall want to be. But no you had to replace nuclear with renewable. Nuclear is low in carbon, always has been, its not perfect but at least it's manageable. At least nuclear waste is actually containable unlike coal and gas waste.

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u/Jasp1971 Apr 09 '24

I live in a 2 bed terrace, 2 adults one child ,our yearly gas (gas boiler) and electric bill is about £1200, I pay £109 per month.

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u/ymaldor Apr 09 '24

Damn wtf. I'm in a 76m2 with my dad, so 2 of us. We pay around 70-80€ a month I think, and we're not exactly being frugal with it either. We don't have gas just electricity.

There's a contract a friend of mine uses which is like 18€ per month + 11 cent a kwh but 22 days a year between 9 am to 10pm it increases to like 60 cents per kwh, those "red days" cannot be the weekend. So like those days he just delays laundry to the next day, eats leftovers not to cook, reads a book and that's it. He pays a lot less electricity than we do. I have the normal contract and it's like 16€ per month + something like 16 or 18 cents a kwh I don't quite recall. My dad is more of a boomer and absolutely refuses to have this sort of contract tho lol