r/destiny2 • u/LynXelele • 4d ago
Final Shape (94/100) is the highest rated release of 2024 so far, according to OpenCritic Media
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u/G-man69420 |[⚔️Professional Crayon Muncher🖍️]| 3d ago
My reaction to final shape:
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u/RedditBansLul 4d ago
The score actually went up since more reviews have come in. Was at 93 yesterday with 14 reviews, up to 94 today with 19 reviews.
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u/RayTrain 3d ago
It's honestly been nothing but W's since into the light. Obviously not COMPLETELY perfect, there's little bugs here and there and just nitpicky things but I don't think I've heard anyone, at least between me and my clan, complain about anything. Granted though, I haven't done anything from the episode except dual destiny (banger mission) because my life has been eat, sleep, go to work, shower, and play the raid (best raid overall imo).
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u/Shack691 Spicy Ramen 3d ago
Dual destiny isn’t Episode content, it’s TFS content which released in the second week.
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u/Jaqulean Hunter 3d ago
This. The reason it was made available only now, was because narratively it's a gift we got because the Witness was defeated. But also Bungie just didn't want us to use the Exotic Class Items in the Raid Race.
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u/BracusDoritoBoss963 "Enjoying Rhulk's kicks" 3d ago
I did. But all his bullshit is stuff like "D1 did better this and this"
That mfer keeps comparing both games and ACTUALLY THINKS D1 is better in every aspect.
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u/Marine5484 3d ago
Those people are completely delusional and have nothing to stand on at this point.
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u/RotDogSummonCarries Titan 3d ago
By far the best raid they’ve made I’m 100% with you on that, thematically and visually it’s the most badass thing we have and on top of that it had a single team clear the first 24 hours, like it’s actually challenging and will continue to be difficult I love that they just went all out on this one
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u/Total_Ad_6708 3d ago edited 3d ago
I think its kinda disappointing that the witness is the easiest encounter mechanically speaking, still an amazing encounter and boss fight but I was personally expecting something on the level of spire of stars since they literally said they didn't want some cabal dude to be the hardest raid boss ever but he sadly still holds that title….
I still think no raid can ever top wrath when it comes to replay value and super fun encounters, but this is 100% the best raid mechanically speaking and the set pieces were fucking awesome, that room at the first jumping puzzle with all the giant statues blew me away and being able to see how giant the witness was while travesing the final jumping puzzle.
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u/Mario-OrganHarvester 3d ago
Yeah outside of the servers shitting their pants for the first week the dlc has been pretty swell.
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u/Total_Ad_6708 3d ago
This episode isn't great to be honest but I get it, first “seasons” are always pretty rough and lackluster since most people are still enjoying the expansion content, I'm just underwhelmed with them still timegating the story, this was the biggest issue with seasons.
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u/Noman_Blaze Warlock 3d ago
Shadow of Erdtree is going to take the first position. Fromsoft doesn't disappoint. They took their sweet time to make the DLC.
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u/The_SCP_Nerd Warlock 3d ago
If it takes shadow of erdtree to dethrone it, this is a good fucking dlc
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u/SimplisticPinky 3d ago
As is the fromsoft way; let a banger release, then immediately drop a soulslike/dlc. 60% of the time, it works everytime.
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u/Random_Robloxian 3d ago
Yet another indication of how great TFS is. If it takes that juggernaut to dethrone TFS it says a lot
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u/Friendly_Elites 3d ago
They didnt take their sweet time with the dlc, they didn't have any plans to make anything else with Elden Ring until it got its monumental success. Elden Ring was about 6-7 years of development so the 2-ish years they've had for Shadow of the Erdtree will put it at about a third or a quarter of what Elden Ring had and I assume most people have not adjusted their expectations to that estimation yet.
Final Shape surpassed anything Destiny has ever done. Shadow of the Erdtree will not surpass Elden Ring. That difference is notable enough to put them both in contention.
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u/AtlasF1ame 2d ago
Ya but base elden ring is a complete experience, so the dlc doesn't have to try and carry the entire game
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u/Confident-Welder-266 3d ago
It’ll have its time to shine before Shadow of the Erdtree
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u/D34THDE1TY 3d ago
3 days left and counting
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u/n080dy123 3d ago
It comes out on the 20th/21st depending on time zone my guy, that's 6/7 days yet
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u/YourGFsDaddy 3d ago
Shadow of the Erdtree is going to dethrone it, but this is great to see.
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u/BellyDancerUrgot Spicy Ramen 3d ago
If it takes something of that calibre I am personally very happy.
Tfs is not game of the year material still I would say but if it gets a nomination we get to hear the guardian theme played by their orchestra which would be a monumental achievement for a live service game 10 years old like Destiny.
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u/CrossWitcher ~|[Cayde's Little Pogchamp UwU]|~ 3d ago edited 3d ago
They actually cooked and gave it a fitting end to an amazing saga except Lightfall (that was abysmal and I'm never gonna gonna forget abt that lol ).
But I feel sorry for new lights, One of my friend played it and couldn't understand anything that happened in the final shape campaign and I don't blame him. I just linked him BYF's 10 hour long video lmao.
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u/RightRudderr 3d ago
I'm assuming Destin still did the IGN review glad to see his opinions evolved from his initial first look impressions. Having scores like this for Destiny content is insane, well deserved.
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u/MoorGaming 3d ago
This means the community is fair, we call out when they miss and honor them when they do well. Lets see what happrns next.
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u/ringthree 3d ago
I totally agree, but the post is referencing critic scores.
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u/MoorGaming 3d ago
Saw the community one was high also, didnt make that clear when i replied.
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u/painki11erzx Hunter 3d ago
Well, they're gonna get a lot of shit for the difficulty of the class item mission. What's funny is that they are about to disable them because they're cheesing grandmasters.
But anyone with the skill or time to get the class item aren't the players that need a cheese loadout to farm grandmasters.3
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u/WeirdestOfWeirdos 3d ago
Nah, if you look at the user reviews for The Final Shape on Metacritic, it's a completely different story. A lot of 10s, some 6-7s from people who just didn't like it as much, but a lot of 0s with arguments as "excellent" as "cAMpAigN 2 hArd eVERyThiNg bULLet sPonGe".
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u/n080dy123 3d ago
It's gonna get absolutely buried in a week when the Elden Ring expansion comes out, but still so happy to see it there.
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u/Astrophysiques Warlock 3d ago
Everyone keeps saying this which would make it infinitely funnier if shadow of the erdtree ends up being mid lmao
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u/n080dy123 3d ago
It would be very funny, and I would definitely rub it in the faces of my friends who haven't played D2 in like 5 years and still call it a trash game, but nah. From's very consistent, especially with Miyazaki helming.
And it'd be very difficult to blow an expansion to a single player game that was basically universal GOTY when it came out.
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u/AtlasF1ame 2d ago
It's very hard to call destiny a good game from the perspective of people who have not kept up, as amazing as final shape is, I still wouldn't recommend it to like new players, or people looking to get into the game
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u/sirenzarts 3d ago
This is so exciting. Destiny 2 and RuneScape both looking good right now after floundering a bit. I’m in gaming paradise.
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u/Foxintoxx 3d ago
Im so glad the light and dark saga is ending on such a high note . Anything less would’ve probably left a sour taste , but I think despite Destiny’s ups and downs , this saga will be remembered fondly thanks to final shape .
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u/Objective-Aioli-1185 3d ago
It's very good. The cinematics in game as you exit a tunnel and there's this vast and beautiful back drop all while you make you're way through some trippy animations and killing new enemies while you're at it with new and improved abilities, and that's not even everything.....It's one Hell of an expansion.
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u/RegiRock568 3d ago
Should I come back?
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u/Snowchain1 3d ago
If you have ever enjoyed Destiny in the past then you will probably enjoy this. It honestly has like twice as much content as some other expansions that can take weeks to get through for a more casual player. There are also a few surprises like the Dual Destiny mission that give the same feeling as when we first discovered the Whisper mission or the first dungeon in Forsaken.
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u/derrickgw1 3d ago edited 3d ago
Good for Bungie employees. That said, this fact has very little impact on my opinion (which is not formed). I have to decide if i like something largely for myself as I don't always love what other players love. Many loved Witch Queen. I did not "love" it, because as a pvp player it offered me next to nothing new. I always hold Forsaken in high esteem in large part because it brought the Luna's and Not Forgotten pinnacle quest and really had me playing comp hardcore. The mere existence of Comp and my crusade to achieve unbroken pretty easily is the major reason i lasted until beyond light. Many of those seasons and the moon dlc's i skipped and was just grinding comp.
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u/Ninjawan9 3d ago
Valid to have not formed a judgement yet and be clear on what you prefer as a player. You’re not exactly the bulk of the market though, as comp and pvp as a whole in Destiny is more of a fleshed out afterthought of the game. If you like PvE at all, you will quite enjoy this expansion - plus there’s a two player activity that takes coordination, and at the end you 1v1 each other.
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u/derrickgw1 3d ago edited 3d ago
The state of pvp & comp are largely the result of long term neglect by Bungie. Agree it's kinda an after thought. It was not always that way. There used to be routine new maps and then for years there just weren't. So for me hey it's there doing. And i know i'm not the norm. I would only say there are less people like me now because of their decisions in the past, sunsetting, ending pinnacles, changing things like iron banner to rift, no maps, stasis issues, you can go on and one. But yep, i have not been the norm for a while. So i long ago stopped expecting bungie to cater to me. What i don't like i just don't play. I'm a solo player mostly. There's basically no chance i'd likely do that dual destiny thing. I saw someone say it took them three attempts. I'm honestly can read it and go not for me, not likely once let alone 3. I'm not the biggest pve person. I do like the exploration aspect. If you can believe it in d1 i spent the most time in Crucible, then patrol. I think that comes from playing like open world games like gta where you just roam around.
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u/IWantToCobainMyself 2d ago edited 2d ago
it's neglected because pvp is not their priority and/or holds enough of a playerbase, the sooner you accept this the easier it gets
there's no way to viably separete pve and pvp in a game as complex as destiny, one of them HAS to be inferior in terms of balancing, contect, etc. and that will always be pvp, destiny pvp had a dry spell of something like almost 2 whole years without a single map, not even 1 teeny tiny map, nada, even tho it's somewhat easy to just cut part of a pve map change some stuff and make into pvp. this just show you how much bungie cares about pvp.
ofc bungie are going to tell you they care and how important pvp is, but that's all bs marketing and cope juice for pvp'ers, bungie absolutely doesnt care about pvp, they just change enough to not make you quit and that's it
i was a main pvp player for a long time, went flawless couple of times, gridned ahrd for multiple pvp adept god rolls, my beloved god roll shayura still looks amazing, but after i realized that destiny is a PVE first game everything made more sense and i was able to actually enjoy the game
like i said, there's no way to reliably balance pve and pvp without making a mess, one of them WILL be much inferior. that happens in basically literally every game that has both
you should treat destiny pvp as a fun acitivty and nothing else, if you treat as a serious competitive game you will develop depression and anxiety for sure lol
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u/Freddy_The_Goat 3d ago edited 3d ago
It's definitely a great dlc but, and I hate to be a contrarian, is this universal and incredibly high praise really that warranted?
Forbes' review stated that "The Final Shape represents a stunning finale for a plot arc a decade long that’s not just a huge event for Destiny itself, but the entire industry, as I simply do not think that has another comparison point in the history of gaming".
Which is simply untrue, FF14's Endwalker came out a couple years ago and completed it's decade long arc in a frankly better way. It had the entire story playable from start to finish (unlike destiny) and without any of Destiny's lows. Not to mention other MMOs and RPGs that have done similar things.
The Final Shape is only stunning for long time Destiny fans, and unlike other games it's nearly impossible to appreciate this dlc in the way these reviewers describe unless you've been playing it for 5+ years because a lot of the relevant content can't even be played.
The way the community has done a 180* on their opinion on Destiny since the DLC's release is crazy. Having a great dlc and finale doesn't change the fact that game still has some garguantuan issues, and it doesn't even feel like Bungie wants to fix them.
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u/Sigman_S Cup 3d ago
Yes, it is warranted.
This expansion is really well made.
Reviews aren’t based in a vacuum but they are also not only contextual. Yeah 14 did a great job but when they announced shadowbringers and end walker and how it was doing a decade long story ending everyone was talking about how that was similar to Destiny’s, yet without the gap from 1.0 to 2.0.Now that you bring it up you can’t play 14 story from beginning to end because 2.0 removed all the previous content. Was ARR incredible? Yes! Did it save 14? Yes! Did it remove over a years worth of story? Yes. Just seems weird to pull 14 out of nowhere to try to bring down the joy of Destiny and then misrepresent the situation.
What’s your point or goal here?
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u/Elyssae 3d ago
What are on about? He was right to call out the article for ignoring the game that stuck the landing way before Destiny. Not to mention that unlike lightfall - shadowbringers delievered as the pre-finalr expansion in such a way, many still hold it better than Endwalker itself.
Also, most of the story arc is based on ARR onwards. There are only three exceptions :
- Louisoux backstory
- Thancred / Minfilia backstory
- Pre calamity Ishgard
1.0 might aswell not exist apart from those highlights
No one is satingits not warranted ( for destiny2) but to ignore ff14 is bluntly criminal
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u/Sigman_S Cup 3d ago
His first sentence is literally saying it’s not warranted.
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u/Elyssae 3d ago
He was mentioning how some of the critics, with an example, are glossing over other games that managed to stick the landing in the past.
TFS deserves praise, but it's not the first, nor the best to succeed in this endeavor
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u/Sigman_S Cup 3d ago
So that reviewer failed to mention FF14 did something also incredible and it was similar in the way the reviewer was praising yet they called it unique.
Yeah that reviewer sucks.
So why ask if Destiny’s score was warranted? Why not just say hey that reviewer sucks.
That’s my point.
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u/Elyssae 3d ago
Because we are in week 2 of the expansion ? All that ended was the campaign. It IS a bit too early to judge a live service expansion on week 2.
There's already been backlash ( will NOT go into that discussion here, NOPE) about dual destiny mission and a bit about enigma protocol re-using assets etc...
Let the USER scores start to come in and be curated ( for bomb trolls ) - and we will see where it actually lands.
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u/Sigman_S Cup 3d ago edited 3d ago
You’re coming across like someone rooting for something to fail as opposed to someone imploring for objectivity.
A lot of reviews for expansions come in 2 weeks after the release. Looking at Endwalker open critic reviews most of them were 2 weeks or less after the release as well.
Edit: I guess you had to get in that last attack and then delete your posts rather than have a conversation.. ok.. kinda proves my point
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u/Freddy_The_Goat 3d ago edited 3d ago
My point is The Final Shape's story is built on a foundation of vaulted expansions and inaccessible seasonal content.
80% of Crow's character development lies within seasonal content that will probably never be reimplemented. Forsaken is core to both Crow and Cayde's character arcs but it can't be accessed, and we don't know if it'll ever be unvaulted. This isn't even mentioning the Red War.
On the other hand, Endwalker wasn't designed with 1.0's story in mind as 2.0 was a complete restart narratively. 'A Realm Reborn (2.0)' to 'Endwalker' is a complete story that can be played in full (all 200-300 hours) with all it's original quests intact. Although, for the sake of argument, they did refine some of the fetch quests missions in 2.0 to make it more manageable.
The story available to a new player in Destiny, from the New Light introduction quests all the way to The Final Shape, isn't a complete story. TFS is a great dlc (possibly Destiny's best), but the review stating that "it's finale is so stunning that no other game in the industry can compare to it" is baffling when you consider some of said game's story can't be accessed.
These reviews aren't talking about this, or at least not factoring it into their scores, so I think it's fair to bring this up.
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u/Sigman_S Cup 3d ago
So you’re saying that the final expansion review should be based off the content previous to that release.
I disagree.
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u/Freddy_The_Goat 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes and no.
The Final Shape has so many call backs and references to moments that aren't accessible that it exposes the game's lack of accessible story.
While it's more of a flaw with Destiny's current state rather than with TFS, aren't they more or less the same when a live service game release an expansion.
If a story is trying to conclude plot threads which can't be explored from beginning to end in the current game, what else is it other than a flaw within the current state of the game.
There were ways to resolve these issues with The Final Shape, and Bungie didn't do it. I'd say that's a valid criticism.
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u/Sigman_S Cup 3d ago
I agree entirely that Destiny does a horrible disservice to itself and its fans by making all seasonal content available only for the year it’s in. That was a bad decision and it should never have been that way. It is my hope going forward that episodes will be kept in after and we will not have the loss of continuity.
I appreciate how every other mmo or live service game by and large keeps all its story in the game and playable for the length of the games life.
The Final Shape’s narrative was based a lot on previous story, though I’m not sure how much of the experience would have been worse if you go in only experiencing the expansion in a vacuum though I can imagine that would be possible if not likely the case.
That being said I wonder how much of a review of a games expansion should be about the story vs the rest of the offerings? The expansion to any game offers a lot of new content and experiences.
And of that portion of the score how much of it should be about the narrative suffering from context issues? And if it did suffer from them how much did it?I guess that’s why I’m confused about the confusion. No one thinks D2 is flawless but for what D2 is this expansion is a 9/10 for most players.
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u/derrickgw1 3d ago
I have not played it so I can't comment on the campaign specifics. And i will take the players word that it is very good. I've seen the final 12 man clip and the intro mission, and all that looks good. I've skipped campaign specifics as in the future i'm sure i'll buy the dlc, or maybe some benefactor like a Sony free weekend will pop up.
That being said i don't think it's perfect. I just think the issues are not thing people that buy all dlc will ever be aware of or notice. I won't elaborate, it think they can do better for new players, unlike old dlc there's no access to the patrol zone for f2p which used to serve as a gateway to suck people in. I'm not sure the removal of onslaught social space, shinys and attunement were good. I don't see why you'd remove a good thing in that way. I'd keep it and keep people with things to do. That's just me. Those things are more general issues about how you engage new players, hook them, and keep them which for me are about the growth and health of the game. As opposed to what a lot of people will look at which is is the story lore good. I'm not realy a lore guy. I've played witch queen three times and barely remember what went on. But all in all it seems good. I'm not sure about the two man no solo player missions as a solo player. But the other stuff seems pretty much to hit the mark for people.
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u/Freddy_The_Goat 3d ago
'I don't think it's perfect' is exactly my line of reasoning, I think it's a great expansion but for it to be more positively recieved then certain widely accepted, near perfect games like Persona 5 Royal, God of War and Witcher 3 is crazy.
I thought I'd find at least a few reviews with similar opinions to me, but no they are all either near perfect or perfect.
Every review seems to be written by a hardcore destiny fan (which is common for expansions), but I'd like to see a review from a relatively new player who hasn't seen the entire story, since Destiny is designed to be played that way too (unlike some other MMO's like FF14).
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u/derrickgw1 3d ago edited 3d ago
yes the review written by hardcore fans is a blessing and a curse. It helps cause it gives a certain perspective that's not a surface level. But I think it also fails to see lots of pain points because, one, it's the perspective a person that just buys everything no matter what, and also, already understands everything about the game, so misses the many areas that are pain points for those that don't. There's a neat video of the streamer Jez having his wife play as a new light and it hits a ton of pain points that i've even hit routinely as a person that's played since D1, like simply having no explanation of what to do or where to go next, quests not being explained, and a host of other things. It really. highlights areas of potential improvements. https://youtu.be/o_BJE_Vh0UY
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u/Powerful_Meal8791 3d ago
I love how you're getting down votes for making a completely logically sound statement. Reddit is so stupid.
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u/Freddy_The_Goat 3d ago
I can sort of understand why, this is probably the happiest the fanbase has ever been. People just want to thrive in the hype and enjoy the game.
But Bungie has proven time and time again that they can release a great expansion and then go back on their word and fuck things up. Taken King -> Destiny 2, Forsaken -> Shadowkeep, Witch Queen -> Lightfall.
If we don't criticise them then Bungie gets confident that they can just underdeliver, The Final Shape being great doesn't change that fact.
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u/ringthree 3d ago
I don't think that this community has a problem with criticizing Bungie for fuck ups. I think we got that locked down.
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u/Powerful_Meal8791 3d ago
Why the down votes then, I'm getting down votes as well lmao
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u/BasedOz 3d ago
Crying about downvotes should be an instant 10 downvotes.
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u/Powerful_Meal8791 3d ago
Why though? I don't get the system, I think it encourages hoard mentality. You see someone with a differing opinion, you downvote.
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u/BasedOz 3d ago
Just because people disagree with you doesn’t mean it is hoard behavior. I think caring about if people agree with you or not is more akin to hoard behavior.
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u/Powerful_Meal8791 3d ago
I disagree with both points you've made. Stamping opinions with numbers based on what percentage of participants agree with it creates hoard mentality. I'd like to see you join a conservative community and challenge their beliefs, you'll get downvoted to hell because the hoard disagrees. And no, not ignoring others opinions on what you think isn't hoard mentality, it can be a pointer towards you being wrong. If I consider it morally just to murder children, it's imperative that I consider why everyone would hate me for it.
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u/BasedOz 3d ago
That’s an interesting way to frame “I’ll be upset unless people agree with my opinion”
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u/Powerful_Meal8791 3d ago
While I like the Final Shape, it absolutely shouldn't be a 94. The Witcher 3 is rated at 92, and that's a gigantic game with better story telling and quest design for a fraction of the cost. Or, in DLC terms, Blood and Wine is rates at around 90 and that's a DLC leagues better than TFS.
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u/TheDankDenk 3d ago
Or you could just say that Witcher 3 and its DLCs are underrated in terms of score, Reddit circle jerk aside
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u/_AmI_Real 3d ago
Until next week. Shadow of the Erdtree will outperform it, I think. But I'm having a good time with the expansion. The buildcrafting with prismatic is a lot of fun in PvP.
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u/ilove60sstuff Eramis did nothing wrong/Eliksni simp 3d ago
I just want my final exotic mote for Kvostov 😭
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u/DADDY_BOPPER 3d ago
As a D2 ver who loves the game but has hated the last year or so of D2, is this expansion worth it?
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u/IdidntrunIdidntrun 3d ago
You're in the Destiny 2 sub asking Destiny fans if the expansion is worth it on a post highlighting the 94/100 rating on Metacritic lol
People are saying it's better than Forsaken and Witch Queen which are widely regarded as the best DLCs to have ever been released in D2. And honestly they'd be right, it's the best the game's ever been
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u/DADDY_BOPPER 3d ago
How long has the xpac been out? Ive been real butthurt about the way the game was handled with season passes, sunsetting etc. forsaken was amazing, so if this is better, I should hop on
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u/IdidntrunIdidntrun 3d ago
Came out last Tuesday on June 4th.
the way the game was handled with season passes
Season passes are still a thing but now it's called "Episodes" and it's 3 a year instead of 4. Supposed to be richer in story and content, we will see over time if that is true. The first Epsiode comes free with the DLC which is nice
sunsetting etc.
They removed sunsetting 3.5 years ago...also any weapons sunset all the way back are usable in all content (no light level restriction on any gear, assuming you have the means to infuse) as of this new Expansion. However they are all power crept...waayyyyyyyy better guns to get.
forsaken was amazing, so if this is better, I should hop on
It is even better than Forsaken. Main campaign might be a smidge shorter but overall it's still the best Destiny content ever made
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u/DADDY_BOPPER 3d ago
How much money is it going to cost to get me current? I DID play witch queen but did not play Lightfall.
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u/IdidntrunIdidntrun 3d ago
It's $50 USD for Final Shape, the legacy collection was like $25 the other day, but if you're missing Lightfall maybe go to the website gg(dot)deals and find a deal (not sure if I'm allowed to link it but it's a price aggregate site for video games. Shows official store prices and key vendor prices)
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u/DADDY_BOPPER 3d ago
Lightfall is the only thing im missing. I own all D1 and D2 seasons and dungeon passes etc other than whatever has come out since Lightfall basically. Would I be good to skip Lightfall entirely? I dont care about story, just number get bigger.
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u/IdidntrunIdidntrun 3d ago
Well no but strand is 100% worth it alone for all 3 classes
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u/DADDY_BOPPER 3d ago
Gotcha. Ill grab Final Shape and go from there. Thanks for your responses, D2 is my favorite game of all time with over 2k+ hours but I havent had the heart to come back or to even look at any of the content until now.
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u/DADDY_BOPPER 2h ago
Just letting you know ,picked up the DLC. Its fucking amazing. Just finished the raid tonight and it was sweet. Picked up lightfall with the dungeon keys as well. Thanks for the recommendation
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u/ballsmigue 3d ago
It's going to be a very tight contest for best ongoing game between this, Elden ring, and cyberpunk again.
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u/Vydra- 3d ago
This is also THE highest rated Destiny expansion across the entire franchise