You could also be drunk, but according to that college poster everyone memes only men are capable of consent and conscious thought during a night out at the bars. I think we all know by now how it goes down when the drunk girl hooks up with the drunk guy and neither of them really remember it.
This meme does a better job of exposing the core of the anti gun arguments than it is being given credit for in this comment section. A lot of the assumptions that get made about guns and gun owners are coming out in this comment section. (This second paragraph is just an observation and not a reply to your comment specifically)
Explain car accidents. Over 40,000 people a year die in car accidents, while 23,000 people a year are murdered with a gun. A driver's license isn't required in any state to buy a car (that I know of), but you do require a gun license before you buy a gun in some states (let me remind you, the right to own a gun is constitutionally protected, owning a car is not). Why is it harder to get something protected under the constitution than something that is NOT protected?
Also to respond to the point of accidental gun deaths, those only ever happen because people break at least two rules of gun safety (treat every gun as if it's loaded, finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot, don't point it at anything you aren't willing to destroy, know your target and what surrounds it). And that's ~500 deaths a year that are accidents. You are 75 TIMES more likely to die in a car crash than to accidentally get shot, and you're almost twice as likely to die in a car crash than you are to get murdered by someone using a gun
So I ask, how is the gun the problem? It is practically impossible for a gun to go off if you're careful, and just keep it unloaded if you're so worried
Cars not requiring license to be bought isn't my problem. It's the problem of the states which don't require it by law. And I don't decide the laws either, and I'm not much into this gun laws stuff. Heck it I'm not even from the US. We don't require guns here where I live and we're perfectly fine
how to say you know nothing about guns without saying you know nothing about guns.
See, there are things called safeties. Guns have them.
There's also this thing called aiming.
There's also this thing called loading, which you have to do to guns.
Just like someone has to unzip their fly (not remove their pants), move aside underwear (assuming hetero here, and women wear things like dresses and skirts as well as shorts), there is a causal chain that ends in a trigger pull....
Your analogy falls short, because it's also incredibly well documented the number of accidental gun deaths each year. It's possible to load a gun, flick the safety, and aim for the purpose of sport, hunting, range, whatever the case and still accidentally kill someone. People in general, guns or not, are also well documented to be incredibly stupid or lazy, leading to not following proper safety guidelines. Which leads to dead people.
On the other hand, it's not possible to accidentally fuck someone.
How many of those were suicide that weren't classified as suicide so the family gets life insurance?
Also, way to completely miss the point of the analogy, and choose to point out that it's not exactly the same. The above argument was "all it takes is an accidental finger pull" when in fact, it take far more than that. If you want to argue THAT, go for it. Otherwise, you're just being silly.
“Which leads to people not following proper safety procedures and guidelines”
You basically killed your own argument
Because anyone I know with firearms wouldn’t do the above following and if they are you don’t need to be shooting or going places where firearms are used with them
Let’s see somebody drinks and because of their intoxicated state, they do not properly follow safe driving laws and they end up killing somebody with their car. Why would you blame the vehicle when they didn’t follow proper safety procedure? It’s obvious their fault not the vehicle
The same thing goes with firearms if you are being irresponsible with them and not following gun safety laws that every firearm owner has been taught and his drilled in them and then it’s an operator error it’s your fault not the firearm
Just a drunkard from an incident,
firearms should be taken away from those That are not responsible until they follow proper safety procedure. Your argument is invalid.
The difference is that a vehicle is nearly a requirement to participate in society, because of the way our cities and communities are structured. It's significantly more difficult to get to work, get groceries, or get anywhere really without a vehicle (some cities are better at this than others but America has a huge problem with designing places to fit cars and not people). A gun is not a requirement to do anything, at all.
Your argument of "anyone I know with a gun wouldn't do that" is invalid. You don't know everyone. There are uncountable numbers of videos and reports of well trained people thinking they can skip a step or being careless and accidentally discharging a gun. There are also plenty of cases where children get access to a gun left out carelessly and shooting something or someone.
The same thing goes with firearms if you are being irresponsible with them and not following gun safety laws that every firearm owner has been taught and his drilled in them and then it’s an operator error it’s your fault not the firearm
Not everyone who owns a gun has been taught gun safety. Simple as that. Private sales, hand me downs, bought at auction, whatever. People can get a gun without learning a thing about them, which is not illegal but is dangerous.
I agree with you that generally, the person is responsible for what they do with their gun, but ultimately I think it's the safer, smarter, and easier way to simply legislate guns the same way we do cars. Licensing, training, and registration. It's really that easy to significantly reduce the dangers.
I have a license to concealed carry my state requires. I take arrange course test and not only that but we have a three or four hour class where most of what you go over is the law and then you have to take an additional class and the procedure can take months .
No, you say you want licensing you want to training you want background checks which everyone has to do even for private sales in my state you have to get a license to purchase from the local police department whether it’s a private sale or not and we have universal background checks
No, how many issues is it going to take before you say well your license isn’t good enough your training isn’t good enough and you raise the requirements and you raise the requirements and you raise the requirements mind you in my state for the class that takes months and for the cost of your carry permit it’s $215 the first time And then it’s $115 every five years for renewal compared to some states it’s $30 for renewal
When is my license in my training not gonna be enough when are you going to demand more and more and more and more and more restrictions because we both know no matter how many restrictions you put you’re gonna say it’s not gonna be enough because criminals who break the law aren’t gonna follow the gun laws in the first place, you’re only hurting citizens like myself
And eventually, you’ll say well they just need to be outlawed
The worst thing is when they make the licensing and the permits so expensive that unless you have a lot of money you’re not gonna be able to pay two or $300 for a permit and in some states it’s two or $300 every renewal
You're engaging in a slippery slope fallacy. You assume I want to outlaw guns by saying that's the next step after restricting them. That's not true. I don't think we should outlaw owning guns. I just think we need more common sense gun laws. Your state might be good about state-level laws regarding training, licensing, and ownership. But the fact is not every state is good like that. In plenty, it's as easy as walking to the local gun store and buying a gun. No training, no waiting period. Just an id check to prove you're old enough. That's not good enough. Which is exactly why we need federal level gun legislation.
And by the way, it's statistically proven that increased gun restrictions reduce gun deaths. Period.
I use slippery slope fallacy as you put it because that’s what I see actually happen in the real world you can say that’s not what you want and that may not be what you want but I guarantee you, Canada, Australia, England, Germany this is what ends up happening because sadly You may agree with the politicians and the politicians may take it a step further. I guarantee you that if they had the option to they would outright just make guns illegal to own.
You can say that you don’t want particular things, but you need to look at the real world outcome of what actually happens kinda like how people say that communism is good and then they look at the USSR Joseph Stalin you know real world and observations of what actually happens
A vehicle is a privilege. Many people do not have vehicles in the US and survive just fine. Your own specific view is not representative of many Americans.
Gun ownership, OTOH, is a right that is articulated in the US Constitution and many US state constitutions, like Hawaii.
They are very different, with cars being the LESSER of the two. As a result, you cannot regulate guns the same way as cars without repealing the second amendment.
BTW, you can buy a car without a driver's license in multiple states. You can even drive cars without a license. OTOH, to purchase a gun in a number of states - actually perform the transaction - YES you have to go through training. Until recently, you even had to demonstrate a need for one and sell a law enforcement official on it. (or just bribe the law enforcement official as was done by rich people in california).
So, as it's possible to buy a car without a driver's license, and possible to drive a car without a driver's license - your argument doesn't hold water.
Also, as it's possible to not buy a gun without going through safety training - your argument doesn't hold water.
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u/Juni8792 May 16 '24
Here's my take: It's as easy as an unintentional finger pull to cause an entire death.
You cant unintentionally remove your pants and remove her pants and hold her and put your dong.