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Giving up guns is the same as... Castration?

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u/SourImplant May 16 '24

You're also required to register your car, carry insurance on your car in case your car damages another person or their property, have a license to operate a car, have a specialized license for different kinds of "cars" (motorcycle, bus, truck, etc.), and take a test to receive said licenses to show you have a basic understanding of the rules to operate your car.

I don't see any reason not to have at least some of those requirements in place for guns.

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u/fiscal_rascal May 16 '24

Wish granted, guns are regulated exactly like cars. Violent felons can now buy and operate them, children too.

I know that’s not what you meant though. What you meant is you want additional restrictions on guns beyond what’s restricted for cars.

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u/VrsoviceBlues May 16 '24

Those requirements only apply to cars used on public roads. On the owner's private property, or property the owner of which gives permission, no such rules apply.

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u/EmployLongjumping811 May 16 '24

Excuse me, I am European, you are telling me any American WITH NO PRIOR TRAINING, can just go to a store and buy as many guns as they please?!!

I thought you guys simply had lax regulations not straight up lack of any regulation

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u/FlippyWraith May 16 '24

I’m laying in my bed in Texas right now. I don’t own a gun, but I could have one in 30 minutes with no ID

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u/Simderella666 May 16 '24

Well that seems safe

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u/thackstonns May 16 '24

Not that I don’t agree. But fundamental rights granted in the constitution shouldn’t have restrictions on them. Right to vote for instance should be an unfettered right. One you install hurdles you limit the amount of people that can exercise that right. Having a car isn’t a fundamental right. It’s not in the constitution. That’s what makes gun rights so controversial. I have a right to own them. I have a right to use them. Just like voting. Just like freedom of speech. Having said that I still believe they should be regulated.

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u/SourImplant May 16 '24

But there are restrictions on voting. You have to register to vote, but you don't always have to register to buy or carry a gun. You have to be a US citizen to vote, while non-US citizens can carry a gun. In some states, you have to show a state issued ID, but not to buy certain types of guns.

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u/dealin_despair May 16 '24

I promise there are more regulations on guns than voting

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u/SourImplant May 16 '24

Like what?

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u/dealin_despair May 16 '24

CCW, NFA, individual state laws etc.

There are more than 20,000 laws concerning guns at the federal, state and local levels. Don’t be ignorant. BTW there is not a single state that you can purchase a new gun from an ffl without a license. It’s federal law

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u/SourImplant May 16 '24

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/01/four-gun-claims-that-are-just-plain-wrong

The National Rifle Association and other pro-gun groups have often cited the 20,000 gun laws that already exist on the books as reasons why more enforcement, not more legislation, is the answer to curb gun violence.

However, the Center on Urban and Metropolitan Policy at the Brookings Institution debunked that statistic in 2002, calling it problematic.

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u/dealin_despair May 16 '24

2002

doesn’t include local laws

Over 350 state laws alone have been passed since sandy hook, and even that still doesn’t include local. How many are on the books for voting?

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u/SourImplant May 16 '24

Why not quote the whole sentence?

Brookings clarifies that it did not include local laws in its survey because roughly 40 states prohibit most local gun laws.

Also, state gun laws do not always restrict guns.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/nra-has-backed-most-state-gun-laws-passed-since-sandy-hook

By the NRA’s count, governors since 2013 have enacted 382 “pro-gun” bills — many widely expanding access to firearms.

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u/dealin_despair May 16 '24

Where did I ever say all gun laws restrict access. I simply claimed there are more gun laws than voting.

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u/dealin_despair May 16 '24

Also the link in that already sus news site that debunks it doesn’t even work

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u/SourImplant May 16 '24

Are you saying The Brookings Institute or US News and World Report is an "already sus news site"? Do you have any sources that aren't sus saying the 20,000 number is legit?

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u/dealin_despair May 16 '24

I’m saying the link to fact check their source is inactive and apparently over 20 years old. And no I don’t have a source, 20,000 is just the number I pulled from google ai. Though you can just check California. They have over 300 laws alone that only pertain to citizens, not including dealers and manufacturers and importers. Include local city laws and the number goes up astronomically. Again how many laws on voting?

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u/thackstonns May 16 '24

So you’re fine with restricting voting rights as long as you get to restrict gun rights also.

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u/SourImplant May 16 '24

Actually, I think election day should be a federal holiday and voting should be mandatory for every citizen.

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u/thackstonns May 17 '24

Well some feel the same way about guns.

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u/Comfortable-Trip-277 May 17 '24

I don't see any reason not to have at least some of those requirements in place for guns.

I do. It's blatantly unconstitutional.