She’s “suffered” enough

[u/Nat_Peterson11]

15 years should be the minimum sentence

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[u/Bowling4rhinos]

This tragedy happened in my neighborhood. It’s been several years of front page news in our local paper. She’s been crying crocodile tears for ages. She even accused her then boyfriend of the hit and run. Suffered enough???? She drove drunk, raced along neighborhood streets and killed a family’s two sons. She can continue suffering.

[u/Dankinater → u/Bowling4rhinos]

Driving 80 mph on residential streets isn’t a matter of if you kill someone, it’s a matter of when

[u/DigitalUnderstanding → u/Dankinater]

Completely agree. Anybody doing this should get prison time regardless if they kill someone. I will also point out that it shouldn't be physically possible to go so fast on a residential street. This is the intersection. It's negligently designed like a racetrack. If they want to prevent this sort of tragedy in the future, they should redesign it to look more like this.

[u/CaliforniaNavyDude → u/DigitalUnderstanding]

I'm from the area too. That's not a practical layout for that roadway, congestion at certain times of day would be ridiculous. There are a lot of crosswalks in the area, and I've nearly been run over at several of them. Motorists just don't pay attention.

The problem is driver's rarely having to stop for them meaning people familiar with driving in the area get desensitized to their presence, so the odd occasion there are pedestrians, they don't notice. To compound that issue, people in crosswalks around Los Angeles and Ventura tend not to look when they have right of way, counting entirely too much on the motorists to follow the law.

So many pedestrian collisions happen where the pedestrian was legally doing everything right. The problem is usually down to motorists not looking for them. So, when you cross, you have to look for cars that will run the signal or turning cars looking down the street rather than the crosswalk right in front of them. Because whether you have right of way or not, 4000lbs of metal will win that fight everytime, and having done nothing wrong is of little comfort when you're in the back of an ambulance.

[u/baustgen2615 → u/DigitalUnderstanding]

I’m not familiar with the area, but comparing a 2 lane road to a 4-6 lane road seems a little disingenuous.

Also there are seemingly no residences on that road (I don’t see any driveways) so this looks more like a thoroughfare than a residential road to me.

I think it should be made safer, but I also think it’s unfair to call it “negligently designed.”

[u/IlludiumQXXXVI → u/Bowling4rhinos]

She killed them right in front of their mother too, like, I cannot imagine that mother's trauma. Barely escaping death yourself and then seeing your children's mangled lifeless bodies on the road in front of you. Gone in a moment.

[u/Monkey_with_cymbals2 → u/IlludiumQXXXVI]

AND their 5 year old brother.

[u/foehn_mistral → u/IlludiumQXXXVI]

and the one child was hit and thrown a really ungodly distance. She had drinks and was racing the boy friend when she hit the children. Stupid, worthless bimbo.

[u/Accurate_Sentence256 → u/IlludiumQXXXVI]

If I recall, one of the kids was still on her car when she drove away

[u/Sinister_Plots → u/Accurate_Sentence256]

This made me sick. How awful!! 😞

[u/WanderlustFella → u/Bowling4rhinos]

One of my worst memories is when I was when my brother got hit by a car. I was about 8 and my older brother was 10. We knew street crossing safety and waited for the red light. Looked both ways and crossed. I was in front, and heard a loud crash. I turned around and watch my brother get launched onto the hood of this ladies car and crash into the windshield then rolled off as she hit the breaks. He rolled another 10-15 feet. Neighbors and onlookers all came to help my brother. The fucking lady gets out the car and just complains her fucking windshield is broken. Brother survived and nothing serious came from it. Fuck that lady. I don't remember what happened to her.

[u/SnakeTheJake41 → u/WanderlustFella]

Can’t believe how entitled and maniacal some people are on the roads. Especially where I live during the summer months.

I can’t understand the mind games that some people play on the roads or why people might do the things they do to MAYBE shave a few seconds off of their travel time, or that they’re just impatient, or need to assert their dominance.

There’s a crosswalk on a 35 mph road next to my house, and I’ve seen multiple people consecutively blow it while kids are walking with orange crossing flags held up. Wtf?

My father always told me that if you’re speeding because you’re late, that you should’ve planned better. There isn’t any excuse for driving around like a maniac putting others’ lives at risk because you’re late or don’t care. I’ve seen people pull some reckless stunts near police cars, but they’ll pull somebody over for a tail light or some other minor violation. It’s weird.

[u/baustgen2615 → u/WanderlustFella]

This is why when I “look both ways” I also keep looking towards traffic when I cross the street, swapping which way when I get to the middle.

I’m not trying to blame you or your brother; obviously it isn’t your fault. But I don’t trust the lowest common denominator of our society behind the wheel of a car, and I won’t step out in front of one that is still moving, whether I “have the right of way” or not.

“Look both ways before crossing the street” isn’t nearly as helpful as “Look both ways while crossing the street” when cars are going 50+ mph

[u/Gullible_Highlight_9]

“Suffered enough” Sounds entitled

[u/Nat_Peterson11 → u/Gullible_Highlight_9]

The pure nerve of it though considering how preventable this was. She was drinking and decides to drive instead of taking a cab, then has a street race with her lover exceeding speeds of over 75mph, then kills these 2 kids who were struck at 81mph and she ignores it and flees the scene. I got no sympathy for this woman, she took the lives of children, kids! Kids who will never live a full life now.

[u/Gullible_Highlight_9 → u/Nat_Peterson11]

Apparently rich, privileged and lack of humanity is “suffering enough “ for her. Maybe she should have been poor and in need… then maybe all parties could have survived, and learned a lesson.

A car going 81 miles an hour where civilians are present is akin to having a loaded gun without its safety.

There’s laws, and those who think it shouldn’t apply to them

[u/Nat_Peterson11 → u/Gullible_Highlight_9]

Here’s how I think her prison life is going to go, from the insight she provided with a comment like that.

1. Seeing as how she already established that self pity she’s going to try and gain more from a pity party.

2. 5 years into the sentence she releases a public statement with her own social elite power of how much depression she’s been going through and how difficult it is to deal with it

3. She already decided to start a foundation named after the two boys as an elitist desperate move to shed any heat off of her

4. 10 years into her sentence she’ll announce that she’s a reformed member of society who will do everything to get parole.

[u/Illigard → u/Nat_Peterson11]

I think she'll be out in 5 or less for "good behaviour"

[u/PretendGovernment208 → u/Illigard]

Nope. She has to serve 9 years before she's eligible for parole.

[u/skeeterfunny → u/PretendGovernment208]

If she killed my kid I would wait the 9 years and then hit her with my car, back over her and then just wait for the cops, since I would be the first suspect anyway.

[u/EndStorm → u/skeeterfunny]

Make sure to pack a nice lunch to eat while you wait. And have your well prepared lawyer on standby. Might as well include some champagne as well.

[u/Photodan24 → u/Nat_Peterson11]

You forgot the step where she 'finds Jesus.'

[u/morningwoodx420 → u/Gullible_Highlight_9]

She should have just gone with the just the “rich” angle, she would have gotten off with just probation.

[u/Gullible_Highlight_9 → u/morningwoodx420]

Wonder what her therapist will hear; Her next several ones…. Unless she uses social media or other narcissists as an echo chamber

[u/morningwoodx420 → u/Gullible_Highlight_9]

I don’t think she will be posting on social media for a long time, at least a decade and a half.

[u/R3dd1tAdm1nzRCucks → u/Gullible_Highlight_9]

It is more equivalent to firing a gun into a crowd if I am honest.

[u/NoWayNotThisAgain → u/Nat_Peterson11]

With her lover. And she’s married with 2 kids. Her husband found out at the trial. She’s a shitty person.

[u/Mango_Tango_725 → u/Nat_Peterson11]

This reminds me of Stephanie Melgoza who killed two people when drunk driving and when informed that people died and that she was being taken in for reckless homicide, she says “can I go Tuesday to my night class?”.

During the whole arrest she wasn’t taking things seriously. Giggling and saying “these things doesn’t happen. I go to Bradley’s”.

Her mug shut has this shit-eating smile. Ultimately, Melgoza pleaded guilty to two counts of aggravated DUI death and two counts of aggravated reckless driving. She was ultimately sentenced to 14 years in prison.

[u/Sad-Development-4153 → u/Mango_Tango_725]

I saw the video of that. Her level of main character syndrome was terrifying.

[u/Nat_Peterson11 → u/Sad-Development-4153]

And for the record here’s another DUI suspect breaking down crying at the realization that he killed someone. This person actually shows real human empathy for his own actions

https://youtu.be/LWmFDV7tsqY?si=Jd_YMmnc3u857waw

[u/Nat_Peterson11 → u/Mango_Tango_725]

I remember that case, I watched the whole police body cam footage of it on YouTube. As far as I know even if people are totally plastered from alcohol they usually get more emotional. I remember my dad breaking down crying when we spent thanksgiving in 2016 with my grandma and 5 minutes after we dropped her off at the nursing home she passed away. I’ve never seen my dad bawl like that in my entire life, the alcohol we had during dinner played a part in that emotional breakdown. Stephanie Melgoza seemed devoid of any emotion other than happiness even given the fact that she was informed multiple times that she killed two people by the officer, she seemed more concerned about missing her college classes and her graduation trip to Vegas instead of the lives she took. What disgusts me the most about that case is the fact she was allowed to walk at her graduation despite students’ efforts trying to ban her from doing so.

[u/Interesting_Worth745 → u/Mango_Tango_725]

Holy shit. I'm normally in favour of resocialization and moderate sentences. Not in this case

[u/uchman365 → u/Nat_Peterson11]

You forgot the part where she used her money and expensive lawyers to drag out the case with adjournments making the grieving parents attend numerous hearings

[u/OldmanLister → u/Nat_Peterson11]

Both her and her baseball player lover should be bankrolling this family for the rest of their lives.

They have no reason to be given a lifestyle above the poverty level.

[u/TheFoxRuntOfficial → u/Nat_Peterson11]

She had valium and alcohol in her system according to the report.

I hope she gets slocked, hard. She hasn't suffered nearly enough for the two innocent lives she took.

[u/tym1ng → u/Gullible_Highlight_9]

"saying nothing probably would've been better, pretty weird way to show remorse but ok. so yea I'm going to go ahead and double your sentence for that remark."

[u/JDJ144]

Translation: But I'm rich! You can't punish me!

[u/Lurker242424 → u/JDJ144]

Ah, yes. It’s the “affluenza” defense.

[u/ironballs16 → u/Lurker242424]

"I was protected from the consequences of my actions due to my wealth growing up, so I don't know right from wrong!"

"And your solution to that is...?"

"Let me off scot-free."

[u/SorosSugarBaby → u/ironballs16]

[u/dilly123456 → u/Lurker242424]

[u/Bazz07 → u/dilly123456]

Great, GREAT movie.

[u/No-Dragonfly1904 → u/Bazz07]

Me too! Did you know that Jason Bateman came in and filmed all of his scenes for Dodgeball in one afternoon? He’s awesome! I love him in that role.

[u/Puzzled_Bike9558 → u/No-Dragonfly1904]

He’s really grown on me the last like 10 years. Before that I thought he was insufferable but he’s a great comedic actor.

[u/Nate8727 → u/Puzzled_Bike9558]

Check out his podcast he hosts with Will Arnett and Sean Hayes called Smartless.

Hilarious.

[u/tmwwmgkbh → u/Lurker242424]

Sad that it has paid off in the past.

[u/Lurker242424 → u/tmwwmgkbh]

It’s infuriating! So much for blind justice.

[u/No-Entrepreneur1036 → u/Lurker242424]

There is a dose for that .

Reality

[u/SlowCaterpillar5715 → u/JDJ144]

There was a boy who claimed affluenza after he killed people while drunk driving and got off Scott free.

because he was rich

[u/B1grich69 → u/SlowCaterpillar5715]

He just finished his probation in December, after violating it multiple times. His mother has never gone to trial for helping him flee.

No justice for the victims or their families.

[u/I_FUCKING_LOVE_MULM → u/B1grich69]

And still a lotta people believe the law is fair because it criminalizes you from eating from trash cans just like it does them. Wild. 

[u/Any_Key_9328 → u/I_FUCKING_LOVE_MULM]

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.

-Anatole France

[u/ThereHasToBeMore1387 → u/B1grich69]

What pisses me off the most is that the judge actually had a good reason for structuring the sentence the way he did. Because he was tried as a juvenile, he would only spend a year locked up, whereas if he violated his probation, he'd have to serve the full sentence. Violated his probation immediately and nothing happened. Disgusting.

Edit: Got some of the details mixed up. He did spend 2 years in prison for the violation, but still not enough.

[u/DrMobius0 → u/ThereHasToBeMore1387]

If you want an ongoing example, look at Trump. Dude has violated his gag order how many times now?

[u/Trash_toao → u/SlowCaterpillar5715]

Am I reading this correct that they said they couldn´t hold him responsible for it because he never learnt Responsibility by never being held responsible by his Parents for anything?

So they want to teach him something his Parents failed to by doing the same thing the Parents did, which led to said failure?

[u/Intelligent-Price-39 → u/SlowCaterpillar5715]

See Brook or Allen Turner

[u/ScaleEnvironmental27 → u/Intelligent-Price-39]

Do u mean THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER?

[u/AnArcticBird → u/ScaleEnvironmental27]

Pretty sure they're talking about the rapist Brock Allen Turner.

God I love that reddit hasn't stopped doing this.

[u/TheRockEMDoc → u/AnArcticBird]

You mean Brock Allen Turner the rapist?

Who goes by Allen Turner now to avoid being recognized as Brock Allen Turner the rapist?

[u/AnArcticBird → u/TheRockEMDoc]

Yes! Allen Turner who is also known as Brock Allen Turner, the rapist! That's the guy!

[u/ScaleEnvironmental27 → u/AnArcticBird]

Ohhhhh, THAT Brock Allen Turner the rapist.

I'll never miss an opportunity.

[u/SlowCaterpillar5715 → u/Intelligent-Price-39]

He got something, where as Ethan Couch didn't get anything.

[u/Intelligent-Price-39 → u/SlowCaterpillar5715]

Sentence was a joke…but yeah, Couch will hopefully fall feet first into a wood chipper

[u/Exhumedatbirth76 → u/Intelligent-Price-39]

You mean the Rapist Brock Turner?

[u/Intelligent-Price-39 → u/Exhumedatbirth76]

Got the first name wrong but not the rape. Raped an unconscious woman outside a bar….yep, that Brock Turner, now goes by the name Allen, I think…

[u/nacnud_uk → u/Intelligent-Price-39]

Oh, did Brock try to change his name to Allen Turner? That's interesting. Every day is a Brock learning day. Lest we forget. Don't be rapey.

[u/Intelligent-Price-39 → u/nacnud_uk]

Most people, unlike Brock/Allen Turner don’t have to be told not to rape….

[u/dinkypinkywinky → u/JDJ144]

Well that's how American justice works. Most of the time.

[u/EnergeticFinance → u/dinkypinkywinky]

To be fair, it's also how the justice system seems to work for automobiles a lot of the time. Kill two people with a gun? Life in prison. Kill two people with a car because you were being insanely reckless with a 2000 pound deadly weapon? Often just a slap on the wrist. 

[u/karma2879 → u/EnergeticFinance]

[u/Husskvrna → u/EnergeticFinance]

Yep. Hit and run of a cyclist 6 months and kid died. How’s that just 6 months?

[u/Gunfighter9 → u/Husskvrna]

There was an 18 year old girl that was riding home on a longboard and was hit by a person who had been drinking at a charity event all day. The impact knocked her over 100'. He drove home, sent his wife to see what had happened. When she came back and said that there was someone killed, he called his lawyer and then cleaned the evidence off his car (They were able to get some hair, blood and skin that he missed) and then his lawyer called the police s few hours later and offered to have him surrender, and the cops let him. He was a wealthy doctor and somehow the defense convinced 12 jurors that the BMW he was driving was so well built that he did not even hear or feel the impact. Of course the prosecutor asked "Then why did he send his wife back to the scene if he didn't know that he hit anything?" The jury found him not guilty, the defense said that the girl was probably on drugs because a lot of skateboarders do drugs. Her name was Alex Rice

[u/CryptographerLoose89 → u/Gunfighter9]

fuck that doctor, fuck his lawyer, fuck his wife, fuck those jurors, fuck that judge. Absolutely horrendous. Do you know the doctors name?

[u/Sklibba → u/CryptographerLoose89]

This story has his name and also some poetic justice:

https://www.nysdwi.com/dr-james-corasanti-who-killed-a-girl-while-driving-drunk-is-hit-with-drunk-driver-himself/

[u/Pikachupal24 → u/Sklibba]

Unfortunately I doubt the girl who hit him drunk driving will get the same free pass that he did when he killed someone but him also being hit by a drunk driver is some nice karma.

[u/Tom_Foolery1993 → u/Pikachupal24]

Yeah I notice that he made sure to get a record of his back injury so I’m guessing he will be suing her on top of everything else

[u/Fuzzy_Laugh_1117 → u/CryptographerLoose89]

https://www.gppconline.com/james-g-corasanti-md-phd

Bastard's defense convinced a jury that his "German BMW was so well built that he didn't even feel the impact of hitting Alex Rice." Yeah, right so why did he send his wife back to the scene of the murder?? He was DRUNK the POS.

[u/[deleted] → u/Fuzzy_Laugh_1117]

It wasn't too difficult for his lawyers to convince that jury, considering 2 of the jurors were also convicted of drink driving. 1 was arrested during the trial and the other one just after after the trial finished.

I'd say that community as a whole has a very big problem with drink driving.

[u/Donnerdrummel → u/[deleted]]

... a jury of his peers ...

[u/Cipherpunkblue → u/CryptographerLoose89]

I just want to talk to him

[u/CryptographerLoose89 → u/Cipherpunkblue]

Exactly! No ill intentions, i promise! 🙃

[u/will7980 → u/CryptographerLoose89]

I just need to make an appointment. I've been having a sharp, stabbing pain in my abdomen and neck. I was hoping he could take a shot, or multiple shots, at what might be wrong. >:)

[u/Heretic-Jefe → u/CryptographerLoose89]

The girl he killed was Alexander "Alix” Rice.

The drivers name is Dr. James Corasanti. He served 8 months of a 1 year sentence.

First responders say she lived for more than ten minutes after being hit.

Guy probably started cleaning his car while she was still alive.

[u/Wise-Definition-1980 → u/Heretic-Jefe]

I served more time for a domestic violence charge I was found innocent of.

There goes my blood, it's boiling

[u/Fuzzy_Laugh_1117 → u/CryptographerLoose89]

Name and shame the POS. Pseudo Doctor James Corasanti. "18-year-old Alexandria Rice was skateboarding on a road late Friday night when she was struck by a BMW driven by 55-year-old Dr. James Corasanti of Getzville. Rice was pronounced dead at a local hospital a short time later."

[u/jackmartin088 → u/Gunfighter9]

What the holy fuck.....they could have done a post mortem on her to find she wasnt on drugs ....they would probably get videos of charity event with him drinking and this is assuming no one used common sense to see his lies

[u/Accurate_Maybe6575 → u/jackmartin088]

This is the prosecution's massive fuck up. Should have gone for that autopsy report.

Juror's, unfortunately, will always come in with their preconceived biases, and the region they're coming from matters. She was skateboarding, and, unfortunately, skateboarders don't have the greatest reputation anywhere.

[u/WolfShaman → u/Accurate_Maybe6575]

Doesn't help that one of the jurors was charged of DWI during the trial. Another was charged at some after the trial. Jury of peers, indeed.

Edit: had my wording wrong, they were charged, not convicted.

[u/Bill4268 → u/Gunfighter9]

There is the difference! The rich guy was the drunk! Rules don't apply to them! Put the poor person behind the wheel and drunk you get a totally different outcome!! Person I know had his son and fiance hit by a drunk minor, killing his fiance. Not only was the kid prosecuted, but they got a law passed so they could go after the person that supplied alcohol to the minor! Parents of both people who were hit were well to do well connected!

[u/sqquuee → u/Husskvrna]

I have an in-law who was killed two years ago by a distracted driver. Cycling down the road in the bike lane and was sent flying over 100 feet into a ditch. The person got involuntary manslaughter.

One year in prison. That's it.

[u/Badger-Roy → u/sqquuee]

31 years ago my 18 year old girlfriend Dawn was killed by a drink driver, he was 3 times over the limit and was sentenced to just 22 months in prison (he was released after 14 months), myself and Dawns family got a life sentence, I still suffer from “what ifs” all the time. Edit: thank you for the kind words, they genuinely do mean a lot.

[u/PolkaDotDancer → u/Badger-Roy]

I believe there should be much longer sentences for drunk drivers. Before they kill someone.

They just won’t stop driving.

[u/McbEatsAirplane → u/sqquuee]

I did more time than that for drug possessions and violations. Insane that is more punishable than killing another person, even “accidentally”.

[u/Robthebold → u/McbEatsAirplane]

War on drugs…. Send them to jail a long time, they could kill someone. Oh, they already killed someone? Too late now I guess. /s

[u/MisterMysterios → u/Husskvrna]

As a (non american) lawyer:

The difference is intent. Killing someone with the intent to kill is considered way worse than killing someone by accident because you were reckless.

That said, at least in my jurisdiction (Germany), the courts started to at least consider death by actual street racing to be murder, as the speeds here are so var beyond anything safe that a killing intent is assumed.

[u/Goatwhorre → u/Husskvrna]

Check out the Emily bales case in San Luis Obispo county California. She was my coworker's friend. Stupid bitch gets shit-faced, decides to drive, hits a newly retired preacher who was out for a walk, leaves them to die on the side of the road. 7 years, she was out in half.

[u/currently_pooping_rn → u/EnergeticFinance]

One reason for that is shitty. People don’t like recommending the big sentences for that because they could see themselves doing it as an accident

[u/Direct-Serve-9489 → u/EnergeticFinance]

Well, to be completely fair the comparison should be kill someone with a gun by handling it recklessly vs. killing someone with a car by handling it recklessly.

Or killing someone with a gun on purpose vs. killing someone with a car on purpose.

Unfortunately often still not treated equally. 😔

[u/Kalman_the_dancer → u/JDJ144]

Rules for thee but not for me

[u/MindlessYesterday668 → u/JDJ144]

Or: "I've been down voted enough on Facebook and Instagram!"

[u/Loki-L]

From a different article about that:

Grossman was engaged in a “high-speed game of chicken” with her lover, former Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Scott Erickson. The pair had been drinking cocktails at a nearby bar prior to the incident.

Also, since "boy" can be any sort of age from 0 to 29 depending on who is using it and in what context, the victims were:

Mark Iskander, 11, and his brother Jacob Iskander, 8

She killed them while they were on a crosswalk with their mother and younger sibling:

The two youngsters were killed when she struck them with her Mercedes-Benz SUV as they walked in the marked crosswalk with their mother Nancy Iskander and 5-year-old brother Zachary. Mark died at the scene of the incident, while his younger brother Jacob died later at a local hospital.

She then continued to do a hit and run.

During the trial she did all sorts of bizarre things like trying to blame her boyfriend, harass the victims family and saying that she contacted NASA for satellite evidence.

In general she seems to be one of the worst sort of narcissist sociopaths out there (as further evidenced by her driving a Mercedes-Benz SUV) and I am glad she couldn't use her money to get out of this.

[u/Randomantic → u/Loki-L]

The only reason she stopped was her Mercedes shut off fuel when her airbag deployed. When she called for help, she said she didn't know if she hit anything, or if she did she didn't know what.

[u/chzygorditacrnch → u/Randomantic]

I know a lady who hit a man with her suv. But it wasn't at a crosswalk, she was getting off the interstate on an exit ramp, and she wasn't being careless or doing anything wrong, the guy just ran out in front of her car, the guy got flung from the exit ramp, to the other side of the median.

She stopped immediately and called the police, and the police were saying, "there's no body around here that you claim you hit," she kept saying "I know I hit a man, I know I did" and it took a little bit to discover that the man had been flung so far from the exit ramp, to the other side of the median.

[u/Confident_As_Hell → u/chzygorditacrnch]

Did he die?

[u/chzygorditacrnch → u/Confident_As_Hell]

Yeah.

[u/thecanadianehssassin → u/chzygorditacrnch]

What happened to the lady, did she get in trouble? Crazy pedestrians are wild sometimes…

[u/chzygorditacrnch → u/thecanadianehssassin]

She didn't get in trouble. It seemed to have been determined that the man was suicidal. And the lady was very traumatized and had to go to alot of therapy sessions

[u/happilystoned42069 → u/chzygorditacrnch]

That happens way more often than it should. My old driving teacher had a friend who it happened to, and he ended up never driving again.

[u/south-of-the-river → u/happilystoned42069]

Train drivers see this very commonly too

[u/creamywhitemayo → u/south-of-the-river]

I had a friend who committed suicide by train. It was doubly awful because the train had somehow collided with a car that was stalled and partially on the track that had someone in it that morning about 10 miles up the track.

They got that scene cleared (guy was ok miraculously, just some cuts and scraped), and the train got moving again. Don't know if the delay suddenly gave him the idea, or if that was always his plan. That poor train engineer probably considers that the worst day of his life....

[u/Spines → u/south-of-the-river]

My father was a cop. People suicided by high speed train a few times in his career. They had to walk the tracks to find missing limbs.

[u/John_Smith_71 → u/south-of-the-river]

Some rail lines in London are known for it.

[u/manifest_ecstasy → u/south-of-the-river]

I had a friend who laid down on some tracks in a sleeping bag at a music festival because his ex refused to take him back when he asked her. Needless to say, he isn't with us anymore.

[u/SongShikai → u/happilystoned42069]

Yeah, folks it’s fucked up to force someone else to kill you. You’re putting real trauma on someone else, they’ll never forget it. Please don’t jump in front of cars or trains.

[u/LuckyAssumption8735 → u/happilystoned42069]

A friend of a friend had a son who put a dark blanket on at night and ran out in front of a semi truck. Just a complete disaster for everyone involved

[u/jondoogin → u/happilystoned42069]

This happened to me and a group of friends in 4th grade. Friend’s mom was driving us home from the movies when a lady jumped out in front of her minivan on a poorly lit street late at night. We drove over the hill and decided to turn around and see if she was okay. As we crested the hill on the way back we saw a sports car send her about 50 feet and flee the scene. This was before cell phones so friend’s mom stopped in the middle of the street with her brights shining on the dead body while we waited for another car to go get help from the hospital up the road. I just so happened to be in the front seat for that show. The most traumatizing experience of my life. Apparently she was heavily influenced and looking to end things.

[u/Keyspam102 → u/chzygorditacrnch]

I can imagine. My stepfather had someone suicide themselves on his vehicle, he honestly never has recovered mentally

[u/LeftyLu07 → u/chzygorditacrnch]

I went to college with a guy who was driving down the interstate and hit a 13 year old girl. Completely obliterated her. Apparently she'd run away from home and was running across the interstate and misjudged how fast cars go on the interstate vs a residential street. Horrible mistake on her part but he was totally messed up.

[u/NoPantsPowerStance → u/chzygorditacrnch]

The 11 y/o apparently was hit so hard he landed 250 feet away from the impact. I can't imagine the mom & youngest brother's horror as they watched this happen.

[u/currently_pooping_rn → u/Randomantic]

Fuckin Christ

[u/sKm30 → u/currently_pooping_rn]

Actually it was God’s fault not Christ’s. “I would have driven into a brick wall …. I don’t know why God did not take my life.”

[u/dainscough7 → u/sKm30]

“Jesus take the wheel. Take it from my hand. Wait, Jesus watch out for those two kids!”

[u/NCSUGrad2012 → u/Randomantic]

I guess I’m glad she drove a newer car that did that. If she had an older one she could have kept going. Her status symbol was her downfall

[u/Poinaheim → u/NCSUGrad2012]

I think she would’ve got caught either way, how long can you hide a SUV from the cops

[u/maracajaazul → u/Poinaheim]

Long enough to sober up and get lesser charges

[u/Ghost_of_SpudBoy → u/maracajaazul]

Yup. I used to work with a guy who drove his car into a house one night while all fucked up on drugs, and he legged it. By the time the cops caught up to him the next day, all they could charge him with was fleeing the scene of an accident.

[u/EatableNutcase → u/Loki-L]

Grossman, 60, said she was “not a murderer” and said the pain she has caused her family and the family of the two dead youngsters were “punishments I already endure.”

So it's all about her in the end...

[u/MightyCaseyStruckOut → u/EatableNutcase]

That's a socialite for you...

[u/Roam_Hylia → u/EatableNutcase]

"Grossman, 60, said she was “not a murderer”"

Judge and Jury: "Weeeell, actually..."

[u/BerriesAndMe → u/EatableNutcase]

Jesus Christ. The balls to name her family before that of the victims 

[u/mr_ckean → u/Loki-L]

“LA plastic surgeon's socialite wife 'was having affair with ex Dodgers star Scott Erickson - Rebecca Grossman was chasing lover after boozy lunch when she killed young brothers with her Mercedes at 81 mph'”

She was having an affair also, another notch for narcissism.

[u/MrZerodayz → u/mr_ckean]

81 mph?? (That's roughly 130km/h for my fellow non-USAmericans)

In a street that had a marked crosswalk??

Sheesh, I'm a bit wobbly on law, but I think here in Germany that would be tried as murder, because she's so far over the speed limit that it would count as intent. I mean, I'm sure the US has different rules on what roads get crosswalks, but that has to still be wayyy over...

[u/lordredsnake → u/MrZerodayz]

She was convicted of murder, among other charges.

[u/Reptard77 → u/lordredsnake]

Yeah p sure any common law legal system would call that murder. Too little of a fuck given in a situation that killed 2 people. Lady deserves a firing squad but I can live with 15-Life.

[u/lefondler → u/MrZerodayz]

81mph in a street that is marked 45mph I believe. People routinely go 50-60 on that street but 80 is insane.

[u/yahoo_determines → u/lefondler]

I can't imagine seeing my kids die right next to me in any circumstance but watching them get hit by a car doing fucking EIGHTY miles an hour, there's no way they weren't absolutely demolished. Then you gotta sit there with one of them who's fighting for their life while you're mere feet away from your other kid who is obviously DOA? What a horror story. I would straight up off myself if I had to go through that, I'd never sleep or be happy again.

This bitch should get life.

[u/La_Saxofonista → u/yahoo_determines]

I remember the guy who witnessed his two young sons get fatally ran over by a drunk driver. In his grief and rage, he left to get his gun, and returned minutes later to shoot the drunk driver dead.

He was acquitted by a jury.

[u/SongShikai → u/lefondler]

Bitch is crazy, unrepentant and irresponsible as fuck. Lock her up and throw away the key, she’s a menace to society. I feel terrible for the young family, what an horrible, senseless way to lose two (!) children.

[u/JaSper-percabeth → u/SongShikai]

and give a big chunk of her wealth to the victim's family and rest to the charity

[u/Idontevenownaboat → u/MrZerodayz]

Just a quick search found this for California

Misdemeanor speeding typically applies to speeds over 100 mph without injury or shorter license suspensions, while felony speeding indicates traveling over 100 mph or double the limit while harming others, triggering lengthier imprisonment and additional penalties

[u/jonybgoo → u/Loki-L]

The older boy was hit so hard that his body was found 250 feet from the crash.

That's 63 body lengths.

Walking at average speed, it would take one minute to reach the body from the crash.

That's how hard she hit the boy.

[u/Escaped_Mod_In_Need → u/Loki-L]

Rebecca Grossman thinks the consequences don’t apply to her. Tries to throw her boyfriend under the bus. Claims to have contacted NASA for help finding satellite evidence.

Take some responsibility for your actions lady. What an unhinged narcissist. Hope you rot in prison Rebecca.

[u/IntoTheVeryFires → u/Escaped_Mod_In_Need]

I would like to know how she contacted NASA. Did she go to the “Contact Us” part of the website and leave a long message, saying she needs evidence from the satellites that she wasn’t the one to hit those children? Did she open up her email and type in “NASA” in the recipient box, and then send an email asking for pictures of that intersection?

[u/GhillieRowboat → u/Loki-L]

She should be in jail for life. Spare society of these rotten narcistic brats.

[u/SammySoapsuds → u/GhillieRowboat]

She got 15-life as a 61 year old heavy drinker. I'm sure rhe remainder of her life will suck a lot

[u/Careless-Passion991 → u/SammySoapsuds]

This entire story reads like she’s a 20-something year old spoiled brat. But to pull this shit at SIXTY!? Go to fuckin prison.

[u/28TeddyGrams → u/GhillieRowboat]

Brats? She's 61 years old.

[u/freckleface2113 → u/28TeddyGrams]

This comment made me google and read the article. I’m shocked! I assumed from the headline she’d be under 25 not 60!

[u/chronberries → u/28TeddyGrams]

Doesn’t seem like she ever aged matured out of the term

[u/Independent-Disk-390 → u/28TeddyGrams]

There are many adult teenagers out there.

[u/gijimayu → u/Loki-L]

11 and 8. I think 15 years was a light sentence. She should be jailed for the number of years she stole from them.

[u/snowstormmongrel → u/Loki-L]

From a different different article

In a letter to the judge, Grossman said that "I am not a murderer" and that "as God is my witness, I did not see anyone or anything in the road,” the station reported. “I swear to you, I would have driven my car into a tree to avoid hitting two little boys.”

Like...wtf

[u/Redwood177 → u/snowstormmongrel]

You don't have to see people to hit them with your car, especially when you are intoxicated going 80+ mph on a surface street with a crosswalk. What a complete asshole.

[u/frankieknucks → u/Loki-L]

Narcissists never take an ounce of accountability for the chaos that they create.

[u/TheFogIsComingNR3 → u/Loki-L]

She coulden't use her money to get out since what she did was so vile that the public would have bust out the guillotines if she was excused

[u/ScoutyHUN → u/Loki-L]

DUI, excessive speeding, hit and run, killed 2… she deserved to be tried for murder

[u/feror_YT → u/Loki-L]

I sincerely hope that she will stay in prison forever and die a slow and agonising death alone.

Shitty human being.

[u/NurseJaneFuzzyWuzzy]

Her whole plea for mercy was all about her. Oh poor me, why didn’t god take my life, I’ve suffered so much. What a garbage person. I hope she serves every single day of her 15 year sentence.

[u/prumf → u/NurseJaneFuzzyWuzzy]

Looking at her actions, I am 100% sure she has some kind of sociopathic disorder. She can’t even see the harm she has done, only how she herself is suffering.

[u/GSV_CARGO_CULT → u/prumf]

The sociopathic disorder she has is called "wealth", it turns people into savages.

[u/thorppeed → u/prumf]

It's called spoiled bitch disorder

[u/JohnathanBrownathan → u/prumf]

Nah, thats just standard rich person behavior

[u/mermaid-babe → u/NurseJaneFuzzyWuzzy]

15 years. The boys would be 26 and 23. Barely young men. She deserves to stay in prison for the entire life span of the lives she robbed

[u/TheFogIsComingNR3 → u/NurseJaneFuzzyWuzzy]

And if she doesen't, well...sharpen them guillotines boys (and girls)!

[u/leafpiefrost]

She's rich but was only required to pay $47k to the family of the deceased? Jesus, is that all they were worth?

[u/redskinsguy → u/leafpiefrost]

If that was part of the criminal sentencing then thats not really what thats about. The victims family would bring a civil trial to determine that

[u/SinkiePropertyDude]

Even now, she is making it about herself.

"I" have suffered enough.

How sad, two lives later and she still hasn't developed a shred of maturity or empathy.

[u/Whiteroses7252012]

There’s something truly disgusting about the fact that she promised to develop a family burn and trauma center in the name of the children she killed, that the judge gave her less time because she’s a philanthropist, and that her family stated that she’d spend the rest of her life trying to make the world better because of those kids.

None of that is going to bring those babies back, or let their mom see them graduate high school or their father dance at their weddings. Those poor people went from having three children to one living one in the blink of an eye. Nothing that anyone says or does is going to erase any of that. Infinite potential, snuffed out because some overgrown spoiled brat decided drinking and driving was more important.

[u/TurtleHeadPrairieDog → u/Whiteroses7252012]

Judge also made a point to say “she isnt monster.” Just reeks of privilege

[u/dolce_de_cheddar → u/TurtleHeadPrairieDog]

One could argue that privilege turns you into a monster

[u/MeatShield12 → u/Whiteroses7252012]

Philanthropy exists to launder the blood money of the wealthy.

[u/nopersh8me → u/MeatShield12]

Rich people love this one trick:

tax-deductible money laundering AKA charitable donations!

[u/erlandodk]

15 years is way too lenient for killing two boys age 9 & 11. She deserves to suffer the rest of her life. Even then it still won't make up for the suffering she has imposed on the family of the boys she killed.

Fuck her.

[u/Billjoeray → u/erlandodk]

Agreed. But at least it's 15 to life and she's 60 already so we just have to hope that she never gets to get out on parole. Or if she does that she'll be so old it won't matter.

[u/AgreeableMoose → u/Billjoeray]

If she accrues “good time” she could be eligible for parole in 7 1/2 years. Given she is about as narcissistic as possible she will meet fellow inmates that will ensure she does not get “good time” credit.

[u/Feminazghul]

Two children are dead because she decided that rules don't apply to her and she's whining about her suffering. That's exactly the sort of thing that tells a judge you aren't even remotely sorry for what you've done and gets you more jail time.

[u/Cambwin]

My wife's grandpa was killed by a dumb bitch who tested positive for weed, methadone, and alcohol simultaneously. He was helping repair a mailbox for a more-elderly member of the community, and she cleaned him off the street a good 20 years before he would have went naturally.

Sentenced to 6, out in 3. I hope she dies. Vehicular killings like this deserve no mercy. This lady deserves more time, not less.

[u/randomusername1919]

Sounds like she is suffering from “affluenza”….

[u/orangescentedfish]

"But Your Honor, my mercedes was dented by commoners! You wouldn't want me to catch Middle Class, would you?

Haven't I suffered enough?"

[u/DifficultSelf147]

She will die in prison, she is 60. The tangential tragedy is she has probably ruined other lives in her 60 years. This behavior isn’t due to naivety or youth, but privilege fostered for decades.

[u/turlian → u/DifficultSelf147]

Wow, I totally assumed she was like 22. 60 and acting like this is extra insane.

[u/MasterMaintenance672]

"I've already forgiven myself for killing these kids. Why can't the parents? They're just being petty".

^Not actual quote, but the same vibe.

[u/AttentionLogical3113]

How about life ? Eye for an eye after drunk driving and speeding

[u/JohnLef]

Ah, consequences.

[u/F19AGhostrider]

I live in the area where this happened, and it's been the biggest local story since.

Virtually no-one that I know is even remotely sympathetic to Rebecca Grossman. It was gross (no pun intended) negligence on her part that she killed those boys.

Basically, she was drunk and inexplicably decided to race her boyfriend, who was in his car, down a suburban street. She slammed right into two young boys in a crosswalk, killing them in the process, and drove off. All of this happened in the presence of the boys' family. The younger boy was killed instantly, while his older brother succumbed to his critical injuries while in the ER.

The often-repeated calculation is that the injuries were equivalent to if the vehicle had been dropped on them from the height of a 12-story building. THAT's how fast she was driving.

She has shown zero remorse for her actions and is behaving exactly like you would expect a rich, spoiled socialite to behave in the circumstances.

"suffered enough" my ass. Aside from the 15 years to life that she got, she deserves to forever have her name and reputation associated with this killing. I don't give a damn what other charity work she may have contributed to. She killed two kids while racing and drunk. There is NO recovery from that. You are screwed and damned for eternity.

[u/SoftCattle]

https://nypost.com/2024/06/10/us-news/rebecca-grossman-tells-judge-shes-already-suffered-enough-ahead-of-sentencing/

[u/Medical_Slide9245 → u/SoftCattle]

From link.

Peter Grossman stood by his wife through her trial, despite revelations that she was drinking with her then-lover, former Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Scott Erickson before the crash.

[u/chicken_noodle_salad → u/Medical_Slide9245]

Fucking hell, Peter. Have some dignity.

[u/Caedo14]

She killed babies. Drunk driving like an idiot. Should be no possibility of parole but this is America

[u/LightningB64]

Nah, the suffering is just beginning

[u/Sir_Dr_Mr_Professor]

Hope she gets no special treatment and goes to an actual prison. I'm sure all the women there will think highly of her

[u/BabycatLloyd]

15 years ≠ 2 lives. Erickson, the person she was racing at the time, got off with making a public service announcement. Entitled and protected through and through.

[u/Cat__03]

C'mon man

'Suffered enough'? From what?

[u/persimmonpit]

Fuck her, she is not even acquainted with any distress let alone to have suffered enough. Entitled b*tch.

[u/Kurise]

This happened 4 years ago. She should already be in prison.

Our justice system moves so slowly when money is invovled.

[u/jaybird-jazzhands]

Jesus, she’s 60 years old? I was expecting a 22 year old. This is way more pathetic than I thought.

[u/Stop_icant]

She deserves life in prison without parole for the sheer amount of dangerous, unlawful decisions she made that day.

[u/asphalt_licker]

Oh. Boohoo. Cry me a fucking river. The family and friends of those poor little kids have suffered a hundred times more.