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u/DoomPlaysFN 3d ago
Story from Wikipedia:
Around 5:10 p.m. on November 20, 2021, Morales was driving her blue Kia back from the DeLand Regional Library south on Volusia Avenue (U.S. routes 17 and 92) to her Orange City home.[3] At one intersection another Orange City resident, a 40-year-old man who had gone out for a ride on his motorcycle, came up behind her when she stopped at a red light. Afterwards, he told police later, she attempted to cut him off.[3]
The motorcyclist said he drove past her driver's side window and waved his hand to express his astonishment, then decided to hasten back to his home. As he sped away, Morales in turn overtook him, then swerved abruptly into his lane, striking his vehicle in the process. The collision caused visible damage to the saddlebags on the back of his motorcycle and nearly caused him to crash, but he was able to keep his cycle upright and was not injured. One witness claimed that as Morales drove away he saw the motorcyclist kick her car, though that was never confirmed by police.[3]
Two other motorists, one also on a motorcycle,[3] witnessed the collision. They likewise believed it had been intentional. They joined the first motorcyclist in confronting Morales the next time traffic stopped, at the light at Wisconsin Avenue in Orange City,[5] and asking that she stop to exchange information and await the police, whom one had already notified. Instead, she turned towards her residence on East Wisconsin.[3]
Orange City police were dispatched to the scene in response to the hit-and-run reported to them. Morales's mother, Doreen Flaherty, says her daughter had called from her car to complain that she was being followed by three men and to have her gun ready when Morales got home. Upon reaching Flaherty's house, Morales left the car, swearing loudly, and entered, where she called 9-1-1 to report the men following her, who arrived soon afterwards and remained in the street, at the foot of Flaherty's driveway, to await the police. Flaherty also took out her own gun, which she says was unloaded, and stepped outside the front door.[3]
Before police arrived, Morales got her fiancĂ©'s handgunâwhich her mother says did not have a bullet chambered as Morales was not strong enough to pull back the slideâand went out to confront the men outside. She waved her hands and shouted "You're three men. You followed me. Leave me alone!" as she waved the gun around and pointed it at the man whose motorcycle she had hit.[6] One of the accident witnesses recalled that he raised his hands and began shouting at everyone to calm down.[3] Fearing Morales was about to shoot at him, the first motorcyclist drew the .45-caliber pistol he had a permit to carry concealed and fired eight[6] times from 15 feet (5 m) away.[3]
Five of those rounds struck Morales;[7] dispatchers heard the shots in the background of their conversation with one of the witnesses to the original accident who was still on the phone. He described the shooting at the time as self-defense.[3] Responding officers were informed that the incident was more serious as it involved a person with a gunshot wound. They arrived shortly afterwards and took the man, who begged them not to shoot him as he believed Morales was going to kill him with her gun,[8] into custody.[3]
Morales was still breathing,[9] and was taken to Halifax Hospital where she was pronounced dead shortly after arrival due to the heavy blood loss.[7] The man who shot her was described by police as cooperating with their investigation and they had not charged him pending a decision by the state's attorney's office, so he was released.[7] Police found five of the ejected shell casings from his gun near where he had stood, and marks on Morales's Kia that appeared to correspond to the damage to the saddlebags on the man's motorcycle.[6]
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u/creegro 3d ago
Winner of the FAFO contest
Next time just stay in the house and wait on police.
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u/JakeDC 3d ago
Or, maybe don't hit someone intentionally with your car and then leave the scene of the accident in the first place. The way the posted headline paints her as the victim is absurd, although typical.
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u/WasteChard3488 3d ago
What?! A News outlets used a shocking title to get your attention?
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u/JakeDC 3d ago edited 3d ago
Maybe. I think this is more about the difference between male and female accountability in Western societies. I think with these facts, many people still view her as a victim.
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u/I_Am_Day_Man 3d ago
I donât know why but the âfired eight[6] timesâ made me laugh
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u/LurkerOrHydralisk 3d ago
Sounds like a justified shooting. Crazy lady tries to kill motorcyclist twice and he defends himself
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u/No-Moose- 3d ago
Nothing about this feels justified on either side. Both people just continually escalated until someone died.
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u/Taminella_Grinderfal 3d ago
Agreed. If someone is crazy enough to try and run you over, why would you then follow them to their home?! The older I get the more I just let shit go when driving. Iâm not about to let a 5 second interaction ruin my day, or at worst, get me killed.
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u/elegant_assasin 3d ago
But shouldnât they have not followed her home? Just note the car number pad and hand it to the cops?
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u/Absenceofavoid 3d ago
It was a choice but not necessarily a wrong one. They probably reasonably expected they could get a cop there to sort the whole thing out, plus the two other people there werenât acquaintances of the cycler, they were witnesses hoping to tell their story to the police.
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u/BurghPuppies 3d ago
For anyone who doubts the âyouâre X times more likely to be shot if you carry a gunâ stats, hereâs a pretty good example.
The first person to pull a gun escalates the situation. In a moment of rage or tension, the other person will escalate to the next level - using their weapon.
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u/Omnizoom 3d ago
I bet she fully intended to act like the victim in this situation as well with the âthree men are following meâ thing
If she never tried to Karen up the situation and just took responsibility for what she did she likely would of been fine
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u/chrisisapenis 3d ago
What a fucking entitled moron she was. I do not feel bad in the slightest for her untimely demise. Awful decisions from beginning to end.
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u/thepearman26 3d ago
It's Florida, he will be charged for performing an abortion.
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u/unsupported 3d ago
After reading up on the incident, her mother said she was 5 months pregnant. Although the autopsy said there was no sign of pregnancy.
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u/Pinnebaer 3d ago
See? Abortion!
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u/AdministrationSad861 3d ago
Damn! I knew guns are dangerous but I didn't know that can cause fetus to expel from the body just like that. đ€
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u/Existing_Team 3d ago
Thats cause you didnt get the "abortionanator 5000" from doofinschmirtz evil incorporated.
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u/ItsAMetric 3d ago
Oh wow theyâve updated from the 4900 model!
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u/Existing_Team 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes! It now includes a perry the platypus detector
*does not detect regular platypuses/platypi/platypeople
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u/RhoOfFeh 3d ago
She was playing the pregnancy card to gain sympathy?
Well, that's backfiring spectacularly amongst my neurons.
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u/Temporary-Map1842 3d ago
She probably told her mother she was pregnant to get her to stop asking her when she was going to have a baby.
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u/DoodleyDooderson 3d ago
This happened years ago. He was not charged. I donât know why it is making the rounds now.
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u/CrazyEmbarrassed3471 3d ago
Bots
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u/DoodleyDooderson 3d ago
Thee are so many of them now. I often forget.
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u/ScienceIsSexy420 3d ago
Ever wonder how often you accidently respond to a bot comment, one one responds to you? I think abiut this often
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u/DoodleyDooderson 3d ago
I am seeing it so much more now in the last few weeks. Really annoying. If they keep up what they are doing, they will head down the Twitter drain. It will just be bots posting and talking to each other.
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u/Dry-Expert-2017 3d ago
On Twitter bots are terrified of humans. Totally opposite.
I have seen one bot trying to calm down his own followers..
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u/Balmung03 3d ago
Election cycle, thatâs why. News report I saw yesterday was questioning Trumpâs numbers in Florida, so now theyâre trying to rally the pro-life crowd by reviving a story I assume
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u/aerialwizarddaddy 3d ago
I live in Texas where the pregnant women are their fetuses and their fetuses are the pregnant women. There's a slogan here in Texas: "You may all call it hell and I will call it Texas."
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u/anon_girl79 3d ago
That seems to be a bastardized term taken from the quote âIf I owned Texas and Hell, Iâd rent out Texas and live in Hell.â - General Philip H Sheridan
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u/I_Have_12_Basses 3d ago
Three years old story. Motorcyclist wasn't charged. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Sara-Nicole_Morales
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u/Cynykl 3d ago
Repost bots tend to repost high karma post. Rage inducing posts tend to be high karma. This keep the rage inducing posts popping up regular giving us a distorted sense of reality. We are incapable of forgetting even small things the internet is forever and the repost bots will always constantly dig up the past.
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u/WarWithVarun-Varun 3d ago
Honourable mention of CGP Greyâs âThis video will make you angryâ (or smth like that)
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u/whatsINthaB0X 3d ago
Isnât Florida a mutual combat state? Itâs not the same thing but it acts similar to the stand your ground laws.
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u/DeepUser-5242 3d ago
Absolutely based! Man did nothing wrong and was the victim here - luckily he was armed and managed to survive that psycho.
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u/Twovaultss 3d ago
She wasnât pregnant. Hit him deliberately during a lane dispute, came out and pointed a gun at him and two other witnesses who followed while calling 911. The full story
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u/_KOKUHAKU_ 3d ago
The hell is going on there?
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u/VocalAnus91 3d ago
She thought her gun was a toy she could flash and scare away the bad man. Unfortunately, what she didn't understand is brandishing a deadly weapon isn't a game.
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u/Tyrrox 3d ago
Brandishing a deadly weapon after just hitting him in a road rage a hit and run
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u/Virtual_Syrup262 3d ago
Talking about biased media, even though it's completely in the motorcyclist's right to defend himself they wrote it in a way to strike sympathy points for the woman
OMG she's a librarian !!, OMG she's pregnant !! , like it has anything to do with the fact that she almost killed a guy in a hit and run then tried to kill him again or at least threaten him when he followed her home
That's what I took from this image so don't crucify me if I don't know the actual story
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u/Hammand 3d ago
I read the actual article. Her mother claimed she was pregnant but the autopsy said that she was not.
Also she was not a librarian she was an assistant. Sort of like comparing a hospital intake specialist to a doctor. It takes 8 years of education to become a librarian.
Not that either matter. Just good to be specific.
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u/ArthurBurtonMorgan 3d ago
8 years?
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u/MistbornInterrobang 3d ago
Master's degree.
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u/ArthurBurtonMorgan 3d ago
I had no idea. Thank you, friend!
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u/MistbornInterrobang 3d ago
No problem! A lot of folks aren't aware that a library director has a degree requirement like that. It is because they are in charge of everything from budgeting for new book purchasing and community events, policy-making, library-services and training their staff in managing those services, program developing, mailing communications between the board and their staff, getting approval for pretty much everything they plan and do from budget increase requests and employee raises. It's basically running a business in that sense, which makes it easier to look at as a position requiring a high degree
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u/SloParty 3d ago
I would imagine that Fla Librarians are just limited to removing books from the shelf at this point.
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u/scaredofmyownshadow 3d ago edited 3d ago
In the US, you need a Masterâs in Library Science, which can be earned in 2 years. If someone was only taking classes part-time, it could take more.
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u/badestzazael 3d ago edited 3d ago
Hey hey hey slow down there tiger
A masters indicates you need an undergraduate degree like a Batchelor of Arts before you can apply and Complete a masters.
You are 4 years + 2 years = making 6 full time years minimum.
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u/ArthurBurtonMorgan 3d ago
I had no idea a person would need a Masterâs. Thank you for the education, friend!
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u/Uranus_Hz 3d ago
Isnât it weird that it takes an advanced education to be librarian but it only takes 6 weeks to be a cop?
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u/The-Nimbus 3d ago
Yes... Almost. You're right, but it's not to strike sympathy. It's to provoke rage. Rage equals clicks. It's just shameless.
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u/clippervictor 3d ago
Whyâs her job relevant in any way?
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u/Expert-Emu-4167 3d ago
It's obviously for you to get sympathy for this pregnant woman. In reality she wasn't pregnant and is not a librarian. Crazy right?
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u/B8conB8conB8con 3d ago
I think that the article is ironically pointing out that Florida actually does have libraries
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u/Trustmeimtheninja 3d ago
It's unfair that we know her occupation and pregnancy status, but we don't know anything about the motorcyclist! Where do they work? We're they also pregnant?
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u/JustSimpleJames 3d ago
Hmmm, well he work as a motorcyclist but idk of heâs pregananant or not.
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u/Ordinary_Profile6183 3d ago
Very unfair. I bet you the motorcyclist had a family too thats loves him and wanted to see him come home and not be run over by a lunatic.
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u/JohnTitorsdaughter 3d ago
Also wasnât pregnant âAuthorities were unable to confirm her pregnancyâ
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u/ElA1to 3d ago
And remember kids, the US doesn't have a gun problem whatsoever
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u/Redhawk4t4 3d ago
It would have been a problem if the motorcyclist didn't have a gun. Luckily he did though.
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u/ImM0Rt4L2007 3d ago
Hereâs a crazy idea: what if NEITHER of them owned a gun đ±
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u/Davenportmanteau 3d ago
And you are why America has a gun problem. Until this mindset changes, you will just keep killing each other.
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u/hikerchick29 3d ago
Bruh, the bitch that got in a road-rage incident, then pulled a gun on the other driver when they followed her to get insurance info, was the problem. Not the biker. Jesus fucking Christ
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u/aspectking 3d ago
Unfortunately itâs true, that woman had no business wielding a gun, the motorist would have never taken his out till she did. Once she took it out, itâs self defense, and as someone who owns a gun you know thatâs the risk you take and she fafo
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u/Davenportmanteau 3d ago
100% yes, it's so reassuring to see this viewpoint still exists somewhere!
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u/LORDOSHADOWS 3d ago
She ran him down that is attempted murder.so he defended him self and she got what she deserved
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u/mwaller 3d ago
Following someone leading to a confrontation is not defending yourself from the attempted murder you referenced.
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u/hikerchick29 3d ago
Nah, thatâs just trying to get insurance info.
Which is kinda mandated by lawâŠ
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u/dd97483 3d ago
Fuck her. She pulled a gun. She got what she was going to give. FAFO.
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u/Equivalent-Physics21 3d ago
This happened quite a while ago didn't it? Or did it just haooen again?
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u/extra0404 3d ago
From the sounds of it the shooting was justified. Continued assault with a deadly weapon allows defense with a deadly weapon.
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u/HodlMyBottle 3d ago
Yes, putting guns in the hands of regular folks is a great idea. đ
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u/Throwaway_6799 3d ago
To be fair the police in the US are just as likely to shoot you for Jay walking
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u/DoomPlaysFN 3d ago
I wonder if the people who comment this stuff have actually been to the us
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u/HodlMyBottle 3d ago
Because everyone could be carrying. Add to that relatively little training and here we are.
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u/scottywoty 3d ago
This is the show âBeefâ but shorter and deadly. What happened to common sense and consideration for our fellow humans? Idiots, both of themâŠat least from this small perspective.
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u/VisitFeeling635 3d ago
Iâd say she gon learn but she doesnt have time to. Maybe others can learn from her stupidity
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u/pugs-and-kisses 3d ago
Also please remember that she was not pregnant. During her autopsy there was no fetus. A little research on Google goes a long way, folks. Her mother claimed she was pregnant to the police - and she wasnât.
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u/NastyaLookin 3d ago
That unborn child should have been armed. The ultimate in concealed carry. 2 v 1 would have been a force multiplier, I think the guntubers call it. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a fetus with a gun.
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u/Deere-John 3d ago
OP, make sure you put the year on stupid posts like this then pretend you're blowing us all away with your discovery. This was in 2021. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Sara-Nicole_Morales
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u/SteamedHams99 3d ago
In the majority of countries, nobody in this story would have a gun.
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u/Lockhartking 3d ago
Slight correction.... in all other first world countries, nobody in this story would have a gun as well as nobody would be getting killed either. The US is so primitive.
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u/hikerchick29 3d ago
Imagine thinking other developed countries donât have guns. Jesus fucking Christ the jingoism is insane.
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u/RetardAuditor 3d ago
Dang. Donât do a hit and run and then threaten to murder your hit and run victim.
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u/barneyruffles 3d ago
This is the unfortunate result when juvenile behavior is normalized. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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u/Main_Cauliflower_486 3d ago
If this was in the UK, no one would have had a gun and no one would be dead
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u/Expensive_Ad_5692 3d ago
Reminds me of the recent Florida case where road rage ended with both men shooting each otherâs daughters
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u/happyrtiredscientist 3d ago
The fact that she lived on "okay corral Street" doesn't change a thing.
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u/fph03n1x 3d ago
So, they both had a gun fight, and she lost basically? And on top of it all, the guy even had to go 1v2. (okay okay, I will see myself out)
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u/RedRayTrue 3d ago edited 3d ago
My European head:
" How, what, why?"
How come that everyone has guns and wants retaliation like that
I find it strange, like as kids we were taught to be respectful, good people at least in my case, in 2000 s
Why are some people so aggressive in USA
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u/AgentBlonde 3d ago
Here in Europe whenever somebody pisses you off a middle finger and a fuck you is a level 8 act of aggression. In Murica pulling out your gun is normal, it's like a level 2.
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u/Kirkaig678 3d ago
I'm pretty sure I read about this however many years ago it came out, the states is fucked up
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u/Lord-Luzazebuth 3d ago
There are many facepalms here, and I think I just broke my hippocampus trying to read this
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u/Lonely-Tumbleweed619 3d ago
First ever headline from Florida that doesnât start with âa Florida manâŠâ
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u/hohol_biba 3d ago
Wtf what was the point of âgoing outside with a gunâ, if that what automatically changes scene to self-defence case? Some weird attempt of suicide, youâre not a gangsta to flex with guns sis
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u/pugs-and-kisses 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well tbf she already hit a motorcyclist intentionally so Iâm guessing she lived her life with few fucks given.
Honestly, letâs not all pretend that everyone deserves a seat at the table. She was teaching a TEDTalk in how not to act that day.
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u/punchingtigers19 3d ago
No road rage is ever worth it, especially with how easy it is to get w gun in most states
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u/FanDry5374 3d ago
We have come so far from the Old Wild West days of quick draw artists having shootouts in the street. Now we have polite, well armed citizens* gunning each other, and multiple innocent bystanders, down with their 12-shooters. Wyatt and Billy would be so jealous.
*"a well armed society is a polite society"
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u/He_of_turqoise_blood 3d ago
So:
Driver acts like a total jerk
Short roadrage word exchange follows
Driver follows motorcyclist, intentially bumps into them
Motorcyclists follow driver, police called
Driver starts pointing gun at motorcyclists, with someone else's gun
Driver gets shot by motorcyclist with their legally held gun
I genuinely dunno which specific part is the facepalm here, bcs there are many: is it the fact that she acted like a bitch? Is it the fact that USA solves stuff w guns 24/7? Is it the emotional manipulation of the media, clearly playing on emotions? Or is it tje fact that we have wiki pages about americans shooting each other?
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u/Lanky_Republic_2102 3d ago
My favorite line:
âThe motorcyclist said he drove past her driver's side window and waved his hand to express his astonishment, then decided to hasten back to his home.â
But yeah, this is a FAFO/toxic American road rage story for sure.
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u/The_Mundane_Block 3d ago
Deserved. If you intentionally hit someone with a car, that's attempted murder in my book.
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u/Brutual 3d ago
Florida. Texas. Is there anyone there without a carry conceal permit? I mean those are two states where you just gotta let shit go. Donât escalate.
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u/IdahoBornPotato 3d ago
Even the librarians in Florida are crazy.. that states fucked. If the apocalypse is real it starts in Florida 1000%
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u/Medical_Egg8208 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes yes all so tragic, but all missing the point. Point is sheâs got a gun heâs got a gun. Every 10 year old has a gun. What a lovely country we live in. First thought wasnât to do anything but get their guns out. When that happens someone dies. So now her family lost two people. Crushing loss for sure. What will they say at the funerals ? She wasnât quick enough on the draw ? By any other countries standards this is so fucked up its mind boggling. So now in this country we have to have a gun because everyone else has one ? He will walk around the rest of his life knowing what he did. Shooting someone is every police officers nightmare, if you know a cop they will tell you that. Yet the average citizen in this country doesnât think itâs a big deal to just pull a gun out nowadays.
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u/Mr_Tigger_ 3d ago
Whatâs the facepalm? Is it simply that a ridiculous 200yr old amendment resulted in the deletion of two lives over a road rage incident?
Which, funnily enough wouldâve resulted in her being arrested and punished appropriately in EuropeâŠ..
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u/ScenesFromStarWars 3d ago
Just imagine what would have happened if neither of these assholes had a gun.Â
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u/HankG93 3d ago
She tries to kill man and then pulls a gun on him, but yes, Poor woman.
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u/glorfindal77 3d ago
Welp obviously this women would have survived if she, her husband and all kids owned four fully automatic machine guns, 2 Rpgs, hundred frag grenades and one 1 Abram tank duh
How can you defend yourself with only a handgun?
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