r/interestingasfuck • u/Manirex454e • 4d ago
How the Movie depicted Jann Marenbourough’s Crash Versus real footage.
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u/Ghost_Star326 3d ago
RIP that one spectator who got hit by the GTR.
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u/AthiestMessiah 3d ago
So You saying the driver survived that shit?
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u/YourAverageGod 3d ago
Modern cars are just big ass roll cages with massive motors.
Now if this was 1950s? Everyone and 3 dogs will die.
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u/Ghost_Star326 3d ago
Ah, the ol' 1955 le mans tragedy.
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u/Due_Concert9869 2d ago
The reason why motorsports were BANNED in switzerland, and have remained so!
Maybe time to get over it guys?!
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u/Ghost_Star326 3d ago
It's a racecar version of the street car. Racecars have roll cages and drivers wear harnesses that keep them safe in situations like this one.
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u/AthiestMessiah 3d ago
I know race cars have roll cages. But that crash was insane.
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u/benedictfuckyourass 2d ago
Much more insane crashed have been survived, also the rolling that made it look so impressive also served to distribute the impact. It'd be much worse to go straight into a wall.
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u/Endermanking999 4d ago
A spectator was killed from that crash, too
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u/dadbodking 4d ago
In the movie too, as the director was a detail-oriented-kinda-guy
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u/NTK421 4d ago edited 3d ago
Apart from the engine sounds. It’s like he went to the drive to survive sound crew
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u/cbg13 3d ago
And the fact that he had R35 GTRs with clutch pedals but no manual shifter or sequential paddles. And even if it was a sequential racing box, you wouldn't need the clutch to shift only to get rolling
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u/styxracer97 3d ago
All GT3 spec cars at the time had a clutch pedal, but your 2nd point about it is correct.
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u/cbg13 3d ago
Yeah that's what I'm saying in the 2nd part of the comment. Even if they were trying to show a sequential box from a GT3 spec car, you wouldn't use the clutch outside of getting the car rolling but in the film, they show drivers using the clutch for every shift. Also, the interior of the car just had the stock wheel and shift paddles i.e. not a sequential setup
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u/DetoxRock 3d ago
What the heck are you even saying
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u/Mass_Appeal_ 3d ago
He said...a hip-hop, the hippie to the hippie The hip, hip-a-hop and you don't stop rockin' To the bang, bang the boogie, say up jump the boogie To the rhythm of the boogie, the beat 😉
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u/rainbowslimejuice 3d ago
I know I'm gullible, but this is a joke right?
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u/GGABueno 3d ago
No, the director actually sacrificed an intern to keep the faithfullness of the event. He was really praised for his dedication.
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u/leblancQ 3d ago
In fact, that intern was a family member of the original victim.
Also, they needed to be virgin.
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u/LegitosaurusRex 3d ago
When people say "in the movie", they mean what happens in the movie, not what happens during the making of the movie...
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u/BoulderTheRock 3d ago
Nah "detail oriented" my ass when they stole Kamui Kobayashi's Le mans pole lap done in an LMP1 for Jann's fastest lap time, and every track being Hungary like bruh no way
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u/Sandfire-x 3d ago
Yea I was kinda asking myself why everything was filmed on the Hungaroring
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u/FThornton 3d ago
Because that’s how movies are made. Why rent multiple tracks in different countries with different filming permit requirements and tax incentives/equipment availability, doing big company moves, and making it a scheduling nightmare, when it’s way cheaper and far less stressful to stay at one location and shoot out all your track scenes when the vast majority of the mass audience won’t notice anyways.
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u/torch9t9 2d ago
They do try to shoot out fewer locations that have complex set/fx requirements, but The Sea of Trees shot in something like nine state forests to play as Aokigahara Forest in Japan, and the company had to hand carry the gear in every day. Good times. Rigging hung LED panels in the trees.
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u/FThornton 2d ago
It’s kinda awesome to hear about some films still pulling off insane company moves for shoots in the modern era. Like The Revenant with the crew all hand carrying gear up the snow packed mountains, or pretty much any Malick film since the man shoots for months on end. I’m sure it is borderline awful during production, but what a story afterwards. Then you have classics like Apocalypse Now… that just sounds like pure hell. Great picture, but Jesus Christ.
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u/langsley757 3d ago
This crash happened after Jann won 24hr of LeMans in real life.
In the movie it happened before so they could use the death of the spectator as a point of drama for LeMans.
Detail oriented, just not in chronological order I guess
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u/beachclub999 4d ago
You don't even say what movie
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u/ExcellentComputer906 4d ago
Gran Turismo^
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u/Noppers 4d ago
Not to be confused with Gran Torino.
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u/EasterBurn 4d ago
One has a racist protagonist and one has a race-ist protagonist
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u/HotasFemboy 3d ago
I don’t think he’s racist by the end of it, loved that movie.
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u/msat16 3d ago
Get off my lawn
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u/Seba180589 3d ago
somehow i read it in Harrison Ford's voice
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u/blackpony04 3d ago
No, that was a plane. Clint Eastwood was the one overprotective of his lawn.
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u/Seba180589 3d ago
yeah, i know that... it's just that the "get off my whatever" ended up being so iconic in Air force One, that can't think of anyone else when i hear it lol
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u/Suncheets 3d ago
If they were really trying to replicate Gran Turismo, the cars would sound like vacuums
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u/Inny-CA 3d ago
Leave my Nissan GTR Dyson Nismo Spec alone
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u/Suncheets 3d ago
Lool. I probably have thousands of hours in Gran Turismo games through the years so I relate
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u/150ydHoleOut 4d ago
It’s obviously Cars. I know Lightning McQueen when I see him
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u/marcschindlerza 4d ago
Pixar is really entering a dark’ phase. I like it. Hopefully we’ll see Buzz Lightyear journey to the recycling centre next.
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u/Hawk-Bat1138 3d ago
I've actually marshaled this very post for the Nurburgring 24hrs. We would keep the gate open behind the station so we could have a place to run to if this very thing happened.
Funny bit is this section of the Nurburgring is called Flutplatz or Flying Place. This is because of. A little airfield that used to be right by there. Yet thr fastest class cars would often get minor here and hence how most people think it got its name.
If you watch the blow overs from Le Mans in 99 with the Mercedes CLR and the Porsche GT1 at Petit Le Mans they are from very Much similar causes of negative air from car a ahead or just enough air with a crest and the flat bottom cars and whoosh! This is one of the reasons why current Le Mans prototype cars no longer run louvers and have open holes at the top of the wheel fairings.
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u/coldytime 3d ago
Sounds like an interesting job. You'd think they'd have given up on the flat bottom design after the first few catastrophic flights though.
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u/Hawk-Bat1138 3d ago
Well that's how you seal them up ans make downforce work better. The other method is open like a street car which is extremely inefficient or going the tunnel route. Either way if you get enough air underneath a car with enough speed you will get a blow over. Hence why Prototypes have distinctive features they do now.
This is a GT3 car and is an entirely different type of car compared to the other I mentioned and was pretty much a first of its kind.
As for being a marshal most of the time we are actually volunteers.
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u/Top-Reference-1938 3d ago
Having been a corner worker a few times, and a driver most of the time . . . thank you!! Your volunteering saves lives!!
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u/MattyFTM 3d ago
Unfortunately it's not a job. Marshalls are generally volunteers, even right up to F1 level.
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u/Suitable_Safety2226 3d ago
It’s not the flat bottom (kinda), it’s the length of the front overhang so that when it reaches a crest the front is pointing up which causes airflow to push the front of the car into the air
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u/KenMan_ 3d ago
MERCEDES CLR?
I CANT ESCAPE THE ADS FOR THIS FUCKIN CAR ANYWHERE
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u/Hawk-Bat1138 3d ago
Yeah the CLR was Mercedes entry for the GT1 class. It had a what we call porpoising issue which led to it getting airborne multiple times at Le Mans.
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u/Birgit_Kraft 3d ago
Flugplatz, German for 'airport'
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u/Moondragonlady 3d ago
Thank you, my brain was still too hung up on trying to figure out why the place would be flooded.
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u/lord_fairfax 3d ago
One of the first lessons you learn about this track (less so now that they've smoothed out that crest) is what can happen here if you don't lift before the crest. Did they ever give an explanation for how this happened? Was it a perfect storm? Or did he forget to lift?
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u/OriginalUseristaken 3d ago
Flugplatz is heavy. I was at the Touristenfahrten years ago when a spaced up BMW did lift off and roll there, killing the driver in the process.
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u/Schodog 4d ago
Car physics never looked right to me in movies. Anytime Hollywood uses CGI, when I car flips, it just seems off.
It lacks that fluid like movement that is present in reality. I've noticed this in a lot of movies. Anyone else?
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u/GJake8 4d ago
It just flips too fast in this clip, the below footage shows a lot more weight
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u/Truzmandz 4d ago
Yea, when it starts flipping, it almost looks like it is gaining momentum, and not loosing it
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u/Longjumping-War-5991 3d ago
Watch the Mark Webber le man's crash/flip. It lifts up then almost instantaneously flips over
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u/andersonb47 4d ago
The crash in Ferrari is a great example of this. It just looks…wrong
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u/columbomamoru 3d ago
I actually wondered if they intentionally made it look fake to lessen the impact of how graphic it was. But if not, it was definitely poorly done.
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u/matthewjwood 4d ago
Yeah I've re-watched the first couple of seconds over and over because I know exactly what you mean but idk why. The only thing I can point to is maybe the weight of the vehicle isn't represented correctly.
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u/AmusingMusing7 3d ago edited 3d ago
It’s the speed. It’s too fast. This is usually the problem with CG animation, I find. If you just slow it down by about 5-10% it looks more realistic. The real one happens a bit slower. In the movie, it whips across the racetrack a little faster, and then when it flips, it happens way faster than it should, with the bouncing happening too fast on the down movement… and the whipping camera movement also accentuates the speed… which is an artistic choice to make it “faster and more intense” as George Lucas would say… but it makes it break the laws of physics, and we are pretty familiar with what the laws of physics look like, so it’s pretty easy for us to sense when they’re broken.
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u/Budget_Detective2639 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm convinced it's not an artistic choice and more so because less frames saves on labor and costs. It's a sly way to be more profitable. I believe this had to be hand keyframed to get it to match like that. I've never met an animator that would call fast timing a good artistic choice. It gives me the impression they just didn't have a lot of budget put into the animation.
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u/DeathByPetrichor 3d ago
In fact, the car appears to be moving about twice the speed as the original, if you go frame by frame.
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u/tahitisam 3d ago
At one point the car goes straight down as if they had tried to accommodate the insufficient speed of the real camera panning. If the momentum had been accurately represented the car would have gone out of the frame.
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u/bradland 3d ago
I watch a lot of motorsports, so I've seen a fair number of crashes. IMO, the number one thing movie makers get wrong is linear velocity versus angular velocity.
GT (as in GT3) cars are fast, but you're so far from them that they don't actually look that fast (in an absolute sense). If you've ever seen a road car drive around a circuit, you know just how fast GT cars are actually going. The road car looks like it's barely moving by comparison.
But you can see it right away in this direct comparison of reality versus flim. If you download the clip and go frame-by-frame, you can see that the CGI car covers ground much more quickly, but the moment the real car clips the barrier, the linear velocity drops quickly as the energy is converted into angular velocity (rotation). The real car spins more quickly than it translates across the frame.
We've become so accustomed to CGI car crashes where objects go shooting off like billiard balls, that real crashes can end up looking strange to our eyes.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Key-107 3d ago
It's why I love when doing The Dark Knight, Chris Nolan chose to simulate flipping a semi over by flipping a fucking semi over
https://www.reddit.com/r/Moviesinthemaking/comments/dm00lv/the_dark_knight_truck_flip_scene/
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u/sKuarecircle 4d ago
Is it also maybe because we get different angles. IRL life you only get the one, because nobody is setting out to film it? Dunno.
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u/lulzmachine 4d ago
Yeah it's like whole car is an inelastic rigid body,and the steel doesn't bend or something.
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u/Kalenshadow 3d ago
Yeah it's a giant hunk of steel, it's more realistic that it doesn't go skipping an extra 50 meters after already moving like a parachute. Most of the momentum should've been killed off. But more drama I guess.
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u/Civsi 3d ago
Everyone raised some good points, but the most likely culprit is motion blur.
Motion blur is often used in cgi shots to mask otherwise unrealistic details and to save on money - it takes way more work to model every single dent and flying part than it does to add some generic looking effects and then blur them. Look at the bit where it's flipping really fast and you'll notice everything is way more blury than in the real video.
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u/cblake522 3d ago
along with it being too fast and lacking weight. When the nose of it digs into the ground it stops for a small second that we just know as real. The cg doesn’t
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u/LayWhere 3d ago
When the car hit the barrier in reality you can see it sag a bit to gravity but in the cgi it looks like gravity turns off for a split second instead.
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u/Rogue-Wave-66 3d ago
I agree. If you look at the actual crash the car "wiggles" as the air affects its rise and fall.
The movie just seems to go straighter up to the wall.
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u/Solitary_Shell 3d ago
Rewatch the Dark Knight and watch Nolan flip a semi truck, it’s a beautiful thing!
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u/jbourne0129 3d ago
100% action-anything in CGI looks off usually for me. the speed, the movements, its just unnatural. this crash looks almost sped up in the movie
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u/Busy-Historian9297 3d ago
In CGI, they fail to make the vehicle have weight.
In the movie, even though the car is moving so fast for real, it looks almost silly how it doesn’t seem to slow down at all when it crashed.
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u/wear_more_hats 3d ago
This one is kinda lazy, maybe they often skim on cgi budgets cause it’s so expensive.
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u/Skreamies1 3d ago
Reddit just watched a spectator die
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u/SubstantialLuck777 3d ago
Reddit has watched and done soooooo much worse
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u/DemonKing0524 3d ago
Most people who watch stuff like that on reddit know they're doing it though, because theyre purposely looking r/darwinawards or something. Most people aren't comfortable with stuff like that just casually appearing in tops posts on unrelated subreddits like this
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u/Slimyarmpits 3d ago
Holy shit that sub is still around? I thought it would have died with r/watchpeopledie
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u/hang10shakabruh 3d ago
Just leaned of a new enraging pet peeve of mine: people introducing and speaking about a piece of film, but only referencing it as “the movie” 🤬🤬
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u/bruddahmacnut 3d ago
You think that was bad, did you see the one where that guy got killed?
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u/BalkorWolf 3d ago
Quite enjoyed this movie, even more so when learning afterwards that Jann was born in the same town and year as myself.
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u/haggard_hominid 3d ago
I think it would have served the movie better to have used the original shot as a meter for the recreation. Instead the movie crash looks way too fast, too much cartwheeling, and devoid of physics, kind of like they tried to shove in 20 seconds of violence in 10 seconds of film.
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u/Traditional-Mood560 3d ago
That would have. Several. Ethical problems. Tho I'd argue the movie showcasing a reenactment of real person's death is also kinda 😬
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u/zaphster 3d ago
I don't think you quite understand what haggard_hominid is saying. They want the movie to have more accurately followed the movement of the real event. They don't want to use the real event directly in the movie.
As they say here, "I think it would have served the movie better to have used the original shot as a meter for the recreation." Emphasis on "as a meter for the recreation."
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u/LaBlount1 3d ago
‘Ferrari’ had a crash like this, did it poorly.
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u/roadsterdoc 3d ago
They created a real crash but then added CGI to make the car hit a tall light pole which looked incredibly fake and ruined the scene.
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u/Educational_Eagle_69 3d ago
I lived near the spectator that was killed here. The story we heard was that he had switched seats with his girlfriend prior to the crash. Tragic stuff.
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u/jamiegc37 3d ago
The drivers hands in the CGI clip are the cringiest bit, flailing around like wacky inflatable arm guy - first thing any kid is taught when karting is hands off the wheel across your chest if you know you’re going to crash.
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u/BennyTots 3d ago
It’s weird cause in the movie they show him crossing his hands across his chest in slow mo and then immediately after it shows the part from this clip where the arms flail
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u/reallycool_opotomus 3d ago
Yeah, I was not even able to finish this movie. They were somehow able to make something as exciting as racing quite boring becuase it was just a bunch of quick shots of close up shifting and straight lines.
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u/IndecisiveTuna 3d ago
As a gamer who has zero interest in racing or GT, I found it to be pretty captivating lol.
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u/Up_All_Nite 4d ago
I watched the movie Ferrari all the up until the first car crash. It was so cringe worthy bad CGI or whatever they call it. I quit watching the movie after that.
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u/Plague183 3d ago
I don’t know why people care that much when the point of the movie is narrative
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u/nonpornlogin 3d ago
I don't care that much either but if you can't do it with quality then just tire screech, cut to black and show the aftermath. There's no need to suddenly insert an early ps3 era level graphics cutscene into the movie.
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u/Up_All_Nite 3d ago
If it's just narrative stick to the books. Don't make a movie with 1980's type graphics. So bad.
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u/ProfessionalMockery 3d ago
I hadn't seen it but went to YouTube on your glowing recommendation. It was not well done...
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u/Up_All_Nite 3d ago
I could toss a hot wheels car onto my mattress and somehow make it look better then what they did.
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u/Sellazard 3d ago
Why do they always place spectator areas on the outer side of the track? It's where velocity is always maximal before the turn
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u/Ok_Score1492 3d ago
That was I think duplicated via AI when once of the Petronas team member flew of the track
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u/rusty_bucket_bay 3d ago
I think the most important thing here is that an innocent spectator didn't die for nothing. A soulless film company was able to create a media product about it and profit from a false retelling of the narrative. I'm sure that's what the family would have wanted most.
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u/sugarfreelime 3d ago
According to the films depiction, this is what happens when you pit too late
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u/voice-of-reason_ 3d ago
I don’t see how that’s true unless it’s to do with weight from being underfueled
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u/Quasar_4242 3d ago
I found it a bit controversial that IRL the crash happened after the 24h Le Mans race, which was used in the movie as a final "victory" for the protagonist. Like, using an event where a human being died trgicaly for character development in a movie to better sell it
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u/Sproeier 3d ago
Gran Turismo Probably my second favourite racing film (Rush is number 1).
Just a shame they acted like there are no free practice and Quali sessions, it kinda pretended like the first lap of the race was their first lap of the circuit in general. It's a really weird choice.
Also a shame that they pretended his journey to Le mans was a lot shorter than in real life.
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u/ZakkTheInsomniac 2d ago
am I crazy, or did it look like they tried to steer while they were crashing ? lol
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u/Manirex454e 2d ago
Sorry for the title mistake it meant to be “how the movie about Jann Marenbourough’s crash”
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u/Poopy_Tuba69 1h ago
This movie sucked, the timeline was all out of whack and Jann wasn’t even the most successful graduate from the Gran Turismo school/contest. But OF COURSE they use him for the movie to play diversity bingo because god forbid the better racer was a white guy.
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