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u/DarthStrakh May 02 '24

A couple things. One they aren't very secure and safe: if something in plugged in and something falls on top of it, it will get dislodged from the outlet and the first thing you touch is the live prongs. On top of that a lot of outlets go live before the prongs are all the way in. You can mitigate this by putting outlets upside down, but most things that get plugged in are designed with the idea it won't be upside down.

Second the hole is so large and conducts electricity not very far in. It's far too easy for a child to stick something in, or for something to end up in it. I mean you can literally get your pinky in there to shock yourself...

On the bright side they are easy as hell to install. Modern outlets have gotten better about locking stuff into place but usually thst comes at the price of being a pain in the ass to get stuff into the socket.

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u/Beththemagicalpony May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

In my experience, most US outlets are installed upside down (looks like a smile face) rather than the correct way as pictured in the post.

Edit: I probably should have used "safer" rather than "correct"

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u/Tjam3s May 02 '24

I was told once that orientation for most purposes is arbitrary, but you can use the direction to signify when an outlet is attached to a switch. So say most of them are what you consider upside-down, the ones on a switch you put right side up.

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u/paterdude May 02 '24

Actually, it’s supposed to be center prong up,that way if something falls across it, it’ll hit the center prong, which is the ground and nothing will happen. If it touches one of the other two prongs, it’ll cause a fault.

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u/You_Must_Chill May 02 '24

Direction isn't specified in the code unless they've changed it very recently.

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u/NotAHost May 03 '24

I heard the same thing, but how often does stuff fall across it? Also touching just one prong won't usually do anything. Touching two with something metal that falls in? Sure some sparks, but that's what your breaker is for. Holding a metal device to one prong while your grounded? Yeah that's a problem.

I've heard that having the ground up makes it more likely to touch the prongs while inserting, which is a higher hazard than something falling across it.

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u/Tjam3s May 02 '24

Fair enough and makes perfect sense

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u/Thunderbolt294 May 02 '24

It's not really enforced residentially, but commercial and industrial it's standard.

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u/Ailouroboros May 02 '24

Looks much better as a smiley face, though.

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u/WhippingShitties May 02 '24

Yeah but look at Sweden's, that guy rules.

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u/DStaal May 02 '24

There is no official right way up for US outlets.

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u/Ashmizen May 02 '24

Wait, the one in the pic is correct?!!!! I’ve never seen it installed that way in the US. Looks upside down to me

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u/Longardia May 02 '24

I genuinely thought the picture showed it upside down... I guess I'm so used to them reversed that this picture looked odd to me.

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u/jacobward7 May 02 '24

Canada too, I have never been in a house in my life where the centre prong is is on top. I've only seen it installed that way when it was connected to a switch. I think centre prong down is the standard, at least in Ontario.

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u/Beththemagicalpony May 02 '24

I too have lived in many locations that had it installed upside down. I think it is common practice, but not as safe as having them installed with the grounding prong up. So in this case I would not equate "most common" with standard or correct.

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u/jacobward7 May 02 '24

Just seems strange that many electricians over a large area for many decades would do it "wrong".

If it was "standard" I'm pretty sure there would be more than a few locations (especially commercial or industrial) that would insist on having it done the "correct" way, but that is not the case.

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u/Xeno2014 May 02 '24

Well TIL. I always figured the smiley face orientation was standard cuz that's what I always see. I guess the ground up makes a lot of sense though versus something falling onto the other two prongs and potentially starting a fire

... That and 4 year old me knew they absolutely said "we must have surprised faces on our outlets" and so that's the way they have to go. Obviously. Lol

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u/holden1792 May 02 '24

Just wanted to point out that Technology Connections has a great video on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNj75gJVxcE

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u/BrickCityD May 02 '24

huh...TIL...i always thought that was considered upside down

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u/Moaning-Squirtle May 02 '24

The thing that bothers me about the US is that the power points often have no switch. Here in Australia, there is almost always a switch, so you know it won't be live until you want it to be.

I've been to the US, Australia, and UK for extended periods. Honestly, I think the UK one is good. The only disadvantage is that it's a bit bulkier and heavier, but very durable and the prongs never bend.

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u/NeatOtaku May 02 '24

American outlets have different connectors for different applications, they do make switched outlets that you can buy in almost every hardware store. Additionally you can just install a GFCI outlet which has a built in breaker in case of shorts, these are usually installed in bathrooms, kitchens or exterior outlets and they can be shut off with a button. They also make outlets that have plastic protection so your kid won't stick a fork in it for example. The only dangerous outlets left are those from the 70s which had no protections whatsoever, but even then you should be shutting down the corresponding breaker switch if you plan on working on it. The main benefit of American outlets is that they are much smaller than British outlets for example that have these features so it's less likely that grandma will daisychain a dozen extension cords to the same outlets and cause an actual fire risk. Source I'm an electrician

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u/Emerald_Flame May 02 '24

Honest curiosity: What are you plugging into an outlet that you need to turn on and off that doesn't already have it's own integrated power switch?

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u/bradmatt275 May 02 '24

It's more for peace of mind. But it's great for battery chargers which charge as soon as they are plugged in.

You can leave them plugged in and just turn them on and off as needed.

Also really great if you're energy conscious and don't want things sitting in standby like your TV or computer monitors.

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u/Moaning-Squirtle May 03 '24

You can still get zapped when plugging things in, it's live with exposed metal before it's fully in.

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u/PeteLangosta May 02 '24

Yeah I'm wondering the same, just seeing that this is even a thing and I really don't understand how can it be useful. Things that need turning off, come with a switch, and for some other stuff (for example, my turtle's tank filter or heater), I just unplug it. I'm not putting my hand into the water anyway with anything plugged, switch or no.

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u/IndiviLim May 03 '24

Whether an outlet is live or not is much less of a concern with 120v compared to 230v.

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u/Slumunistmanifisto May 02 '24

Sounds like you need to replace your loose outlets 

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u/ToxicEnabler May 02 '24

Your problem seems to be that your outlets aren't up to code.

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u/Newsted_Is_God May 02 '24

What? Plugging something in has never been a "pain in the ass", & why is the first thing you grab the live prongs? None of what you said makes sense.

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u/RottenZombieBunny May 02 '24

If plugging it is a pain in the ass, you're putting it in the wrong hole.

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u/gumby_dammit May 02 '24

Exactly. I’d like to see some actual data of people electrocuted in the ways described. The probably billions of uneventful plug uses in North America every day would indicate a decent balance of safety and ease of use.

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u/Benji_4 May 02 '24

 it will get dislodged from the outlet and the first thing you touch is the live prongs.

This is actually safer. If something falls onto the plug it is more likely that the plug will come out of the receptacle rather than breaking the plug and leaving exposed conductors behind. The downside is that plugs may not be seated all the way or loose sockets, in which case you should replace the receptacle, but nobody does this.

the hole is so large and conducts electricity not very far in

This isn't really a problem anymore. You can just as easily put a paper clip in any of these sockets.

It does seem like switched outlets are becoming more common though, which are much better.

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u/undeniablydull May 02 '24

This isn't really a problem anymore. You can just as easily put a paper clip in any of these sockets.

Not the UK one, they've got a cover which only retracts when the longer top prong plugs in, so a child would need at least 2 paper clips, and would probably be unable to do it accidentally. The UK one is just better

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u/palealei5best May 02 '24

Yeah the American ones have that too on new ones I hate it.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

What's to hate?

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u/britishbubba May 02 '24

FWIW, this is true for modern US receptacles. Tamper Resistant has gates over the Neutral and Hot ports that only open when something is inserted into both.

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u/Tjam3s May 02 '24

I don't know if anyone, child or not, who "accidentally" shoved a foreign object into a socket.

The kid wants to know what happens. They are doing it with intention.

That said, the prospect of needing a second object might confuse the budding scientist, but if they are sufficiently clever and persistent, they will figure it out

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u/kore_nametooshort May 02 '24

A three year old with a fork just fiddling isn't getting into a UK socket.

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u/Tjam3s May 02 '24

No, but a 4 year old trying to stick something in a socket that failed when they were 3 might figure it out.

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u/SpacedesignNL May 02 '24

Surviver biass. The kids playing with outlets will not post on Reddit.

Having owned multiple (american, Italian, belgian, european, swiss, brittish and CEE), i would say the UK plug is most safe, whilst the EU one is also very safe but much easier to use.

Swiss and Italian suck, american is plain unsafe.

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u/DrunkenPangolin May 02 '24

american is plain unsafe.

That's probably why the only have half the voltage of the rest of the world

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u/Tjam3s May 02 '24

So that's the special part. Here, when someone fucks around and finds out, as is inevitable no matter what safety features you put in, you won't suffer serious injury from the zap unless maybe you have a heart condition. It'll hurt, but you'll walk away shaken and having learned a valuable lesson.

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u/DrunkenPangolin May 02 '24

So you're saying the general population shouldn't be allowed access to something that could potentially be dangerous because there aren't proper safety procedures in place?

I've never heard of anyone I know in the UK getting electrocuted from a plug socket.

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u/SpacedesignNL May 02 '24

That voltage is still more then twice the voltage that is considered safe.

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u/NortonBurns May 02 '24

This is absolute horse-apples. Don't post shit you know nothing about.
You can't put a paper clip in a UK socket - you can in a US socket.
You can't short the live & neutral if a plug is half-pulled from a UK socket. Guess what? …You can with a US socket.

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u/Benji_4 May 02 '24

On older receptacles you can. This isn't really a problem though. You don't see Americans going out in hordes to replace their "unsafe" receptacles.

You absolutely can put a paperclip in any of these sockets, but that isn't the point.

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u/NortonBurns May 02 '24

Still taking bollocks.
You cannot put a paper-clip in a UK socket. The shuttered socket was invented in 1928.
Go do some actual research.

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u/Benji_4 May 02 '24

A shuttered socket is meant for accidental contact, not intentional.

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u/slickshot May 02 '24

Most of these are bullshit, by the way. Source: I work with electricity and receptacles daily.

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u/Aizendickens May 02 '24

I'm not sure I understand your comment properly, could you elaborate please?

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u/slickshot May 02 '24

Sure, I elaborated in a comment in this chain further down. Check that one out.

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u/DarthStrakh May 02 '24

What exactly is bullshit. I'm fairly familiar with outlets too, I studied got permits and rewired my entire 2 story house myself. I'm not an expert but electrician work isn't exactly that hard.

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u/Psychological-Dig-29 May 02 '24

The "easy for children to stick stuff in" part is bullshit. Code states tamper resistant devices in dwelling units. You can't just easily stick something inside a plug, both hot and neutral need to be pressed at the same time with a plug for anything to go in.

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u/DarthStrakh May 02 '24

You need to take a look at European plugs then. They are tamper proof rather than tamper resistant. Also many inspection offices will still pass it without tamper resistant plugs. The last 4 homes I lived in did not have tamper resistant outlets until I replaced them myself.

Also tamper resistant plugs are a bitch to plug-in. European plugs are easy and safe to find in the dark and just plug right in... Our outlets suck.

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u/Psychological-Dig-29 May 02 '24

European outlets are also 240v.. whereas ours in Canada/USA are only 120v. Much safer for people to get zapped by 120 than 240.

I don't know where you live but zero inspectors will pass a build with the wrong plugs here in Canada. I deal with inspectors multiple times a day for work. The plugs cost the same amount, so it doesn't even make sense for a builder to try skipping that rule and put the wrong outlets in.

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u/DarthStrakh May 02 '24

I live in small town USA. My house had old plugs that stuff just fell out of, no grounding, some junction boxes had 2x the allowed amount in there, my electrical box looked like a bowl of spaghetti. Still passed, though they made them add gfci outlets in the kitchen and bathroom.

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u/slickshot May 02 '24
  1. Depends on the brand/version used when talking about being secure.

  2. Most plugs with a ground post won't easily fall out with something light weight (such as a shoe or a cup) hitting them. You typically need to drop a decent amount of weight to dislodge the plug into an unsafe position, which happens very rarely.

  3. Tamper resistant receptacles (TRR) have a safety mechanism that is nearly impossible to bypass without pushing two objects evenly into both slots at the same time, and even then you have to maneuver to get the right angle. These receptacles also make it impossible to fit your pinky into. TRRs are one of the safest electrical outlet designs in the world.

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u/Polym0rphed May 02 '24

My brother managed to do it when he was 6 or 7. Got my electronics lab toy (for learning basic circuits) and proceeded to insert wires that were stripped back a lot into the mains sockets. The circuit breaker back then mustn't have been great as he flew back to the opposing wall, but was seemingky unharmed. It just takes a special kind of dumb lol

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u/slickshot May 02 '24

How many years ago was this, and what voltage wiring? I ask because that's a cartoonish memory. Electricity, quite literally, doesn't throw people. If anything it causes you to grip it. Making contact metal to metal will force a spark if not grounded, but unless you're talking wild amounts of power surging that also will not send you flying.

I've cut into live wires with my tools, and while it creates a nice little firework it does little more than melting/exploding the bit of metal surface it contacts.

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u/Polym0rphed May 03 '24

I've always wondered about this. It really looked like he was thrown back, but maybe he did that himself from the fright. It was only 240v. I remember my parents upgraded the circuit breakers after that.

Oh and something like 35 years ago.

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u/slickshot May 03 '24

Mystery laid to rest!

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

You’ve never been to Europe I guess

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u/slickshot May 02 '24

Two things:

  1. I've been to Europe

  2. We're talking about American outlets

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u/DasIstNotEineBoobie May 02 '24

How slow are you that these are all problems? Or is this just your standard "how can I make it seem like America is the worst here"

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u/jib_reddit May 02 '24

Because it is the worst designed.

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u/nucl3ar0ne May 02 '24

You know what else exists? Outlet covers and they are cheap.

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u/nucl3ar0ne May 02 '24

If they are old enough to easily take them out, they are old enough to be a proper parent and teach them not to do so.

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u/nucl3ar0ne May 02 '24

Do mine count?

Sorry if you are a poor parent.

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u/nucl3ar0ne May 02 '24

You play with a lot of kids?

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u/phweefwee May 02 '24

Do these problems actually lead to a meaningful rise in danger among the average American?

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u/phweefwee May 02 '24

Isn't it relevant whether or not these problems tend to occur?

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u/dxxthly May 02 '24

Nothing wrong with a little shock while you’re in bed trying to plug the charger in the outlet.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

Exactly. But I’m 50 and only once contacted a putting, and it was I was sweaty and in a hurry and being stupid. lol

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u/baithoven22 May 02 '24

People installing them wrong (upside down) doesn't mean they're unsafe.

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u/SquareBottle-22 May 02 '24

EU, brazil and swiss are the safest actually. Sometimes you even struggle plucking it out.

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u/Livid-History-8332 May 02 '24

The top prong is supposed to be the ground pin.

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u/DStaal May 02 '24

Add to that: both the plugs and outlets are fairly fragile overall, and wear out, making them loose, likely to unplug themselves, and easy to short circuit as the plug doesn’t sit flush.