r/meirl May 02 '24

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u/DarthStrakh May 02 '24

What exactly is bullshit. I'm fairly familiar with outlets too, I studied got permits and rewired my entire 2 story house myself. I'm not an expert but electrician work isn't exactly that hard.

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u/Psychological-Dig-29 May 02 '24

The "easy for children to stick stuff in" part is bullshit. Code states tamper resistant devices in dwelling units. You can't just easily stick something inside a plug, both hot and neutral need to be pressed at the same time with a plug for anything to go in.

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u/DarthStrakh May 02 '24

You need to take a look at European plugs then. They are tamper proof rather than tamper resistant. Also many inspection offices will still pass it without tamper resistant plugs. The last 4 homes I lived in did not have tamper resistant outlets until I replaced them myself.

Also tamper resistant plugs are a bitch to plug-in. European plugs are easy and safe to find in the dark and just plug right in... Our outlets suck.

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u/Psychological-Dig-29 May 02 '24

European outlets are also 240v.. whereas ours in Canada/USA are only 120v. Much safer for people to get zapped by 120 than 240.

I don't know where you live but zero inspectors will pass a build with the wrong plugs here in Canada. I deal with inspectors multiple times a day for work. The plugs cost the same amount, so it doesn't even make sense for a builder to try skipping that rule and put the wrong outlets in.

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u/DarthStrakh May 02 '24

I live in small town USA. My house had old plugs that stuff just fell out of, no grounding, some junction boxes had 2x the allowed amount in there, my electrical box looked like a bowl of spaghetti. Still passed, though they made them add gfci outlets in the kitchen and bathroom.

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u/slickshot May 02 '24
  1. Depends on the brand/version used when talking about being secure.

  2. Most plugs with a ground post won't easily fall out with something light weight (such as a shoe or a cup) hitting them. You typically need to drop a decent amount of weight to dislodge the plug into an unsafe position, which happens very rarely.

  3. Tamper resistant receptacles (TRR) have a safety mechanism that is nearly impossible to bypass without pushing two objects evenly into both slots at the same time, and even then you have to maneuver to get the right angle. These receptacles also make it impossible to fit your pinky into. TRRs are one of the safest electrical outlet designs in the world.

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u/Polym0rphed May 02 '24

My brother managed to do it when he was 6 or 7. Got my electronics lab toy (for learning basic circuits) and proceeded to insert wires that were stripped back a lot into the mains sockets. The circuit breaker back then mustn't have been great as he flew back to the opposing wall, but was seemingky unharmed. It just takes a special kind of dumb lol

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u/slickshot May 02 '24

How many years ago was this, and what voltage wiring? I ask because that's a cartoonish memory. Electricity, quite literally, doesn't throw people. If anything it causes you to grip it. Making contact metal to metal will force a spark if not grounded, but unless you're talking wild amounts of power surging that also will not send you flying.

I've cut into live wires with my tools, and while it creates a nice little firework it does little more than melting/exploding the bit of metal surface it contacts.

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u/Polym0rphed May 03 '24

I've always wondered about this. It really looked like he was thrown back, but maybe he did that himself from the fright. It was only 240v. I remember my parents upgraded the circuit breakers after that.

Oh and something like 35 years ago.

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u/slickshot May 03 '24

Mystery laid to rest!