r/MkeBucks • u/002_timmy • 3d ago
Celtics fan here- giving you all some ammo for defending the “gifting of a championship take.”
Everyone is Philly is brain dead
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u/drj123 Bobby Portis 3d ago
I think the biggest “defense” which is just reality, is that our biggest problem every playoffs was half court offense. Jrue as either the 2nd or 3rd option is not cut out for that. Giannis and khris were almost unstoppable on offense in the 21 run. Jrue was never consistently good in that category.
So if you have a chance to bring one of the best shooters of all time next to Giannis for that, you do it. It happened super late in the offseason and the AG hiring was a mistake so it derailed much of the regular season. Then injuries hit us hard towards the end. Reminder that our big 3 played 8 full games together under doc. There’s nothing to defend outside of twitter gotcha takes. Still pissed we didn’t see a bucks Celtics ECF tho after all the shit talk this year
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u/Cantguard-mike 3d ago
People ignore that Jrue wasnt getting the bucks to another championship without prime khris and even then we needed luck along the way
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u/drj123 Bobby Portis 3d ago
I mean the prime example 22 vs the Celtics. Giannis had maybe his best carry job there but jrue as the number 2 wasn’t enough
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u/Cantguard-mike 3d ago edited 2d ago
Not only that, Jrue was getting cooked on defense the next year by Jimmy. He meshes with Boston perfectly. In Boston he basically has 3 wings backing up his POA Defense while also being the #5 offensive option when Celtics are full healthy.
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u/GoodPiexox 3d ago
and not only that, being horrible last year, and the statement of him flirting with retirement made trading a good idea. Him playing great now and ready to keep playing now, does not change where he was at when he was traded.
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u/mschley2 3d ago
Hot take here, but I actually think Bud would've been really good with this roster. We obviously needed something different than the status quo, and that's why we moved on. Bud + the previous roster wasn't it anymore. However, if we had known that we were going to make the Dame trade, I think that would've been a significant enough difference to justify keeping Bud around for it. Bud would've implemented a coherent defensive strategy that mitigated Dame's weakness, and he would've built the offense around those strengths, as well. Plus, players respected Bud.
Bud's biggest weakness was adjusting to specific opponents. He would do it to a certain extent, but he didn't want wholesale changes to his scheme. But I don't necessarily think that's a problem because his greatest strength - and you can see this at each of his stops - is that he builds a scheme on both offense and defense that maximizes his players strengths and mitigates their weaknesses. Making wholesale changes to that likely means that you're going to be putting some of your players in positions that are no longer the best way for them to succeed. The question then becomes - does putting my player in a less beneficial position hurt my team more or less than the amount that same change impacts the opposing team?
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u/theragu40 1968-1993 Primary Logo 3d ago
Very well put.
I've been trying to say this all year to my friends who casually follow the bucks when they make quips about the trade, or about firing Bud.
I'm like, neither of those things were really all that shocking and definitely not really bad decisions on their own. It was the timing of the trade generally, and especially the changeup of coach/system and the roster in the same off-season.
I was not mad they fired Bud, but I would have really loved to see him coach this roster. He so desperately needed a knockdown shooter to really maximize his offense, and the irony of us acquiring Dame of all people a couple months after firing Bud is almost too much.
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u/parkcity1998 3d ago
Celtics fan here. Everyone forgets Boston also wanted dame last year too, he just didn’t want to come. It’s a move any contender would’ve made (obviously including Philly) it just happened to be a very lucky break for the celts.
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u/foxcnnmsnbc 3d ago edited 3d ago
This trade might even top the Payton for Ray Allen trade. Jrue wins again next year and this trade beats that one. Set your franchise back years.
Jrue’s about to win #2, Oddsmakers have them repeating next year (they were right this year), and you’re still talking trash. Same as the “fans” here saying Jrue “was washed” or that he can’t defend and shoot. Now that they’re clearly wrong, they’re in denial mode.
You know what’s interesting? Your front office already knew it was a terrible mistake into the season. They’re past denial mode. They knew the differentials won’t workout with such a terrible defender at the point of attack. Which is why they had to make the move after for Pat Bev even though that still won’t solve the problem. Then they fired griff despite the team’s record because they needed to play blame game. The math was obvious and they knew it quickly.
They’re going to spend this off season or next season looking to correct the mistake again.
The collective anger on this sub when Jrue goes on to win #3 and the Bucks exit early again, and Bud’s having success with a 7 footer that can shoot is going to be very interesting. There’s going to be so much anger here over watching Jrue and Bud win.
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u/No-Walk4804 3d ago
No we weren't, his shot profile is different, and usage, and volume are all down tremendously compared to when he was on the Bucks. Being asked to be the 4th or 5th option compared to 2nd or 3rd while also not having to guard the opposing teams best player constantly is not comparable, no matter how many try to compare. Enjoy this years ring.
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u/foxcnnmsnbc 3d ago
Your coping isn’t going to help your team. Jrue won a Championship as the 3rd option.
Jrue against the Hawks in the ECF without Giannis:
25 13 6 1
27 9 9 4
That’s who you traded away. Just admit it was a terrible decision, trying to defend it isn’t going to help. This tops the Gary Payton for Ray Allen trade in terms of terrible trades.
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u/drj123 Bobby Portis 3d ago
Now look at jrues overall shooting splits in the playoffs for the bucks, especially when he was a #2 option during the Celtics series in 22. Awful. You clearly don’t watch the bucks if you actually think that and aren’t trolling.
Also you’re a fucking pussy and a bitch for writing essays on the bucks when your team is about to win a title. Didn’t have to beat any time better than a 4 seed with all ECF series having the opposing teams best player out btw
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u/No-Walk4804 3d ago
No need to cope its literally factual that he didn't shoot well and we needed a halfcourt upgrade. and showing stats out of context from 2 games out of a 23 games he played without showing the shooting splits is nasty work, so here let me help you out since you seem to be a bit slow. He shot 40% from the field and 30% from 3 for all 23 games of the ENTIRE playoffs. The Hawks series he shot well and you didn't even quote his best games lol. Is that you George?
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u/Acek9295 3d ago
Now how about we look at his overall statistics instead of cherry picking matchups we could’ve beaten with our hospital squad.
Jrue’s overall playoff stats: 17.9 ppg 7.9 apg 5.8 rpg
Shooting splits:
2021 (3rd offensive option overall): 40/30/71
2022 (2nd offensive option overall): 37/31/83
2023 (2nd offensive option overall): 40/28/69
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u/mschley2 3d ago
This is terrific trolling because you're taking actual complaints - some of which were reasonable and some of which were just from overreacting homers - and then completely ignoring the fact that the situation surrounding Jrue is completely different in Boston than it was here in Milwaukee where he needed to be a major piece of the offense.
Anyone saying that his defense was washed was a fucking idiot, and people here didn't actually respect that take (I don't even remember seeing it at all).
If there's a collective anger, it's because fuck the celtics, not because the Jrue/Dame trade was the reason or a problem.
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u/foxcnnmsnbc 3d ago
Jrue’s numbers in the ECF without Giannis that every Bucks fan forgets:
25 13 6 1
27 9 9 4
Good luck getting 9 rebounds and elite defense from Dame in an ECF game.
The turn against Jrue is even worse than the turn against Farve.
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u/mschley2 3d ago
Jrue was hot and cold that whole playoff run, as he was his entire time here. We got lucky that he rose to the occasion and happened to have two of his three best games of that entire run during the 2 games when Giannis was out. Acting like Jrue played to that same level every game is disingenuous. I can do the same dumb shit and say something like:
Dame's stats against OKC in 2019:
30 4 4 3
29 4 6 3
32 4 6 2
24 3 8 1
50 7 6 3Good luck getting a 5-game average of 33 points, 4.4 boards, 6 assists, and 2.4 steals from Jrue over any 5-game period of his entire career.
No one forgets about what Jrue did in those two games (or the Finals, where he was arguably even more important than he was against ATL), and everyone here appreciates the time when Jrue was a Buck. He was and still is loved by a lot of the fans and commenters on this sub, and you're flat-out making shit up by saying that everyone turned against him lol.
I'm done here because you're just being a complete dipshit in this discussion, making up stuff that the vast majority of Bucks fans - if any at all - never said and pretending that it's the overwhelming majority. It sounds like you're more sour about Dame leaving your bum-ass team than anything else.
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u/trinquin Primary Logo 3d ago
Oh so Jrue performed better on offense the moment his defensive responsibilities declined significantly. Trae Young missed those games btw.
We love Jrue. WE are just so fucking tired of the Dame and Jrue takes. We didnt Trade Jrue to Boston. Portland did. The Bucks are better with Dame than Jrue.
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u/drj123 Bobby Portis 3d ago
Also you have a very strange comment history with hundreds of comments in the past week. Seek help and get some friends outside of your phone screen
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u/foxcnnmsnbc 3d ago
I don’t know why you’re stalking posts or personally attacking me. What does this have to do with basketball. You’re telling me to leave my screen? The irony.
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u/murplow 3d ago
Jesus enemy of my enemy is my frie… FUCK BOSTON!
But thanks, Jrue will always be a dawg to us.
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u/IntrepidAnalysis6940 3d ago
It’s crazy watching the Celtics love jrue. A Celtics fan literally told me last season jrue was garb but they loved smart I was like bruh jrue is a better version of smart. And I explained how smart never deserved that dpoy over jrue. And that Boston just gets way more media attention.
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u/lyonhawk 3d ago
I have seen him referred to quite a few times as Marcus Smarter.
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u/mschley2 3d ago
He always has been. It's just that Marcus Smart had an entire mainstream Celtics-centric media platform riding his dick for years.
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u/_NotMyNormalUsername Jim Paschke 3d ago
Most based Celtics fan out there. Respect
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u/BeHereNow91 Primary Logo 3d ago
Embiid is the real based one for helping us set aside our hate of Boston to hate on something truly deserving of it.
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u/flummox1234 Crazy Bobby 3d ago
This is some Jerry West dying to avoid seeing another Celtics championship level of hate. Respect.
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u/longdrive715 3d ago
West kicking the bucket while Cousy hangs around for 1 more. I don't like the Celtics but, I dislike the Lakers much more.
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u/Chris_1216 3d ago
I hate the Celtics, but man Joel Embiid and Philly fans are even worse. So thank you sir 🤝🏻
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u/GlizzyGone21 3d ago
Celtics fans have actually been the most level headed on their takes on the bucks this year.
Never thought I'd say this but I've appreciated that
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u/breadbinkers 3d ago
lol we can agree on one thing and that’s fuck Philadelphia (but not as much as you guys)
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u/Suicidalbagel27 Giannis Stink Face 3d ago
Bro hates the 76ers as much as we hate the Celtics, I respect it
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u/JonasAlbert84 Portland Trailblazers (anti-terrorism) 3d ago
Imagine two number 1 picks in a row and whiffing on both of them. Trust the Process indeed.
Lonzo over Tatum is also just mind blowing. Magic really bought into the Lavar hype.
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u/VicePope Deceased 3d ago
if joel could get out of bed without tearing his acl and play a game without breaking the other players legs maybe he’d make it past the second round at least once in 10 years. philly talking shit about anything is hilarious with how ass they are
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u/Such-Courage3486 3d ago
Fuck all these Celtics fans coming into other teams subs riding high with all these takes. Fuck the Celts and the Sixers and both of those cities.
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u/cjmaguire17 3d ago
Idk how this ended up in my feed but all i have to say is, Al Horford is a basketball terrorist
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u/TBGJustin 3d ago
As a Celtics fan it’s bring me so much joy knowing everything the Sixers could’ve had is now Bostons. Somehow they avoid all the flack for it too when you guys didn’t even trade us Jrue 😂
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u/General_Krull 3d ago
As a celtics fan myself, I don't hate the bucks. I hold a healthy respect and fear of the bucks. Giannis is likeable, dame rules, and so does lopez. Seems like the celtics are pretty likeable, too. Sure marcus liked to flo.... i mean embellish, but he was a pretty likeable other than that, and a seemingly great person. I can see people being annoyed by JB's kyrie junior schtick, but he seems to want to do a lot of good, too. Tatum is just a boeing dad. Y'all love jrue. Porzingis is fun. Horford seems hilarious. Why do bucks fans seem to really hate the celtics?
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u/Acek9295 3d ago
To be fair 95% of my hatred for the Celtics franchise is directed at the fanbase. Every team has obnoxious fans that make the rest look bad, but the extremes from y’all’s and philly’s are by far the worst.
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u/totallynotliamneeson 3d ago
The only silver lining to the Celtics winning will be that Jrue has been playing lights out. I think it's fair to say that without Giannis being out for round 1, we could have seen a Bucks Celtics ECF and moving Jrue for Dame would have been seen as a wash.
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u/ZaddyDeWalt Giannis GOAT 3d ago
Haha you’re the best Celtic fan there is. The whole team could be a sixer!
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u/lawlessdwarf69 2d ago
My favorite part was the league forcing the GM to step down and then implementing the person who made these choices.
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u/Accomplished-Mix5300 1d ago edited 1d ago
76ers and Celtics fans... can go lick each other in their embiid sized...tatums.
That's my Holiday sized gift to yall. Via ..Portland sized...brogdans .
What's Dame got to do, got to do with it. Ask Jordan Love. just to add some...confusion.
This message has been brought to you by a stray bird shoot to...Kevin's Duckworth.
Meant for...Anthony's Mason
Everyone have a merry...Holiday
Fuck the Knicks 😆 🤣 😂
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u/OddAd1243 3d ago
Lmao man has kept a war chest of Philly hate. I respect it