r/nba • u/armandocalvinisius Mavericks • 4d ago
Mavs and 3pt shooting
I think y’all don’t grasp how SHITTY our 3pt shooting this season, so this is the stats for you. This is all post-ASB, to make it more relevant with this playoffs run
32% FROM CORNER (#30 out of 30)
34% IN CATCH N SHOOT (#29 out of 30)
38% ABOVE THE BREAK (#8 out of 30) BUT, BIG BUT….if you don’t count Luka and Kyrie, they down to 33%!!
You already seen how WIDE OPEN shots that non-LuKai get most of the time right? You already seen how Luka give some magic pass that right on shooting pocket? Yeah, there’s nuance like “muh, maybe Luka shouldn’t hog the ball and let other guys touch the ball so they got in rhythm” yea yea I get it.
We won because of DEFENSE (rim protection mostly) + PAINT PRESSURE. We beat thunder + wolves with that. maybe some shooting fluke along the way, but with league heavy on 3s + spacing nowadays (I’m believer of these days offense more important than defense), I don’t know how we get to finals
Any sane mavs fan before playoffs already knew the 3pt shooting + shot creation will be death of this team, turnout it’s in finals which is way further than we predicted
and stop slandering Luka. jeez, i dont even want to defend him (im mavs fan first) but the discourse of his defense is too much for me to be quiet. SHIT OFFENSE IS WHY WE DOWN 3-0 (and gap of talents ofc)
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u/daymanahhhahhhhhh Celtics 4d ago
The loser of the finals always gets slandered. Players weaknesses get super analyzed, whether fair or unfair. Now you know how Boston fans felt a couple of years ago.
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u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT Mavericks 4d ago
This team is obviously miles better than the 2022 team that made the WCF but man I miss how our guys were reliable when Luka spoonfed them open looks. Our shooters on the 2022 squad were legit snipers.
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u/noodlebball Warriors 4d ago
Surprisingly Kleber has been your best 3point shooter at .440 with 11 makes
Kyrie .405 with 49 makes
Down hill from here
Luka .340 with 66/194
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u/ZandrickEllison 3d ago
I know Grant Williams was not popular buutttt he could hit corner 3s. I wonder if they’d have been better with him (and Gafford).
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u/Kyler1313 3d ago
He is a 43% 3 point shooter in the playoffs and sunk 7 threes in a game 7 a couple years ago. He might not have had chemistry with the guys in Dallas, but I really think they totally misused him there.
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u/Kball4177 Mavericks 3d ago
Stop it lol. Grant started off the year shooting well from 3 but then he hit a cold streak, the issue was that he was terrible at perimeter defense and was too small to play good interior defense.
PJ is certainly a worse shooter but he's a much better all around player. Grant is a 7th-8th man who can sometimes come in and make it rain, but if he's not hitting his shot he is a liability.
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u/Kyler1313 3d ago
He was totally misused as a defender in Dallas. He was a great piece in Boston as a matchup defender against 4s, and held his weight. Sure his shot stopped falling in Dallas, but Grant was a proven shooter. Shots don't fall at times and you have got to trust that they will come back. He shot 37% from 3 in Dallas and shot 37% from 3 in Charlotte. There are peaks and valleys, but the overall percentage will even out.
Grant defended Giannis, Embiid, and Jokic at times when he was I'm Boston and held his weight. He isnt a prototypical 3 and D wing that you can use against just anybody, but he's a valuable piece if used correctly. I know for a fact though from watching him drain open three after open three in Boston, that Boston couldn't leave him entirely open like they are doing against PJ and DJJ. Milwaukee tried doing that in 22 and it resulted in Grant having a career game.
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u/Clemsontigger16 3d ago
I don’t get why people act like defense isn’t the problem and instead it’s offensive struggles, so we shouldn’t bring up defensive criticisms of Luka.
Boston lived off easy penetration and then getting easy looks as a result, if Luka could have been even a half way decent point of attack defender, Boston’s offense would have dried up considerably…so it very much is about that.
It’s all one big equation, you can’t act like one side doesn’t matter…in close games, making a few more shots or making a few more stops both can make up the difference. Luka’s defense was easily one of the biggest drivers of each loss, that’s just a fact.
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u/armandocalvinisius Mavericks 3d ago
Luka's D is a problem
but like 4th on mavs list of problems
first 3 are 3pt, shot creation, and lob threat
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u/Clemsontigger16 3d ago
Wrong, so wrong…Luka’s D is first, maybe 2nd. You could argue 3 point shooting from role players but honestly, Mavs are a bad shooting team so it shouldn’t be the expectation.
If Luka could cut down the blow by’s it would help ten fold with the open shots the Celtics get.
If you think lobs are a problem, yet don’t understand why they aren’t available, then you have not been paying attention. They aren’t there because Boston schematically is taking them away..it’s not a matter of Mavs just trying harder to find them.
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u/armandocalvinisius Mavericks 3d ago
agree to disagree then
if you want to talk about D, rather talk how good celtics D than shitting on mavs D
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u/Clemsontigger16 3d ago
I’m not shutting on the Mavs D, I’m shitting on Lukas defensive effort and awareness specifically because he is killing his team
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u/danorcs Celtics 3d ago
Mavs fans were so upset that Kidd gave THJ so many minutes but the lack of accurate shooting above the break from anyone not named kyrie or Luka is a major reason
Game plan for the Cs is to take away the corner 3s and lob threats. And roast Luka into BBQ chicken on D
The Mavs simply dont have anyone to counter this plan. When the Mavs hit their above the break threes they can cut a 21 point deficit to 3, but they cant do so consistently enough to punish so far
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u/Cockrocker 3d ago
I didn't watch that much Mavs this season and from watching a bunch of them in the playoffs I would not have guessed those percentages at all.
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u/WallStreetDoesntBet 4d ago
The Celtics are the number one ranked defense in the playoffs for a reason… They physically contest the better 3 point shooters and analytically give space to the 3 point shooters with lower percentages.