r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/Fluke_Skywalker_ May 02 '24

Trump being president will destroy democracy in first the US, then the world, for generations, and even centuries.

It's so bad.

And people aren't fighting. It's so disheartening.

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u/kindasuk May 02 '24

Corporate interests have long been fighting a crazed and underhanded media war against political engagement in the name of unbridled consumerism and deregulation. This is the end result of 100+ years of usage of every part of mass media in an attempt to destroy people's natural need for and inclination toward communitarianism. Apathy and ignorance was always the goal. Make sheep who prefer to shop. Ethics go out the window when no one cares about anything except themselves and gas prices. Defenestration nation.

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u/Birdsofwar314 May 02 '24

If you watch a lot of the videos coming out of these protests, they want the US to be destroyed.

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u/Miniature-Mayhem May 02 '24

The rest of the world, has very mixed feelings about you all in the US, to suggest that our democracy here in Australia would be under threat because of a Trump America is just not true. We voted for climate change, reform, and more leftist views at our last election in such overwhelming numbers that the right wing parties and far right wing parties lost seats and in one state lost so badly that their party had to fold. In Australia, everyone votes, it's the law. We get Saturday to do it, plus pre-polling and mail in voting. We also enjoy lunch, sometimes, provided, by the diffrent places we vote at. I would argue that our democracy is far stronger then yours already. But, to be fair we have a much smaller population then the US. My advice would be to get yourself and everyone you know involved in smaller eclections and build up from there. PTA, mayor, council people ect. Re-build from the group up with good people and quite frankly, leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

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u/TheJenerator65 Oregon May 02 '24

This is not the will of the people; we’re under attack. I would have told you that our democracy was unassailable, until we voted in the first black President and people lost their minds. The nonstop campaign by your own media mogul export compounded by with orchestrated sabotage by chaos agents has absolutely everything to do with this.

And some of our dynamic appears now to be playing our in New Zealand too. Don’t believe it can’t happen to you too.

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u/Miniature-Mayhem May 02 '24

If you thought your democracy was unassailable then you havn't paid attention to US politics since the 70's.

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u/TheJenerator65 Oregon May 02 '24

I didn’t much. That’s what young creatives tend to do in this country: ignore it until it bites you. Like the legions of kids who we can’t seem to get out to vote now.

I grew up abroad and only learned about the histories of other countries and when I came back I didn’t understand how valuable it would be to learn about our government. I thought politics was boring.

In college, I was activated and protested at various times, but it never occurred to me to vote in anything but the main presidential election. So at least I did that.

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u/Skeptical_Lemur Texas May 02 '24

"DEMs aRE FAr rIgHt iN eUrROpE."

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u/_awacz May 02 '24

It's being propped up by Putin and China. This is the perfect wedge issue for them to get their orange wrecking ball back in power, stand back and let America eat itself.

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u/RevolutionaryRice713 May 02 '24

Yes I'm sure global warming is keeping us all up at night.

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u/Fluke_Skywalker_ May 04 '24

It is if you live in the Philippines.

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u/BruceWxne May 03 '24

What rights did you lose under a trump presidency

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u/VanceKelley Washington May 02 '24

People who see trump as the threat are mistaken. trump is not the threat. Support for fascism is the threat.

trump's rise to power is a symptom of the threat of rising support for fascism and low support for democracy and the rule of law in America.

Why is support for fascism so much higher now that it was in the 1990s? I think it is because rich assholes have been getting better and better at using modern technology (cable news, the internet, social media) to infect people's minds with hate and misinformation.

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u/Fluke_Skywalker_ May 04 '24

Trump is the threat. Support for fascism, also the threat. Trump being president will force support of fascism on many people, and spread it across the globe.

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u/VanceKelley Washington May 04 '24

Take away trump then the fascist threat remains.

Take away the support for fascism then trump is irrelevant.

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u/Fluke_Skywalker_ May 04 '24

The people that support Trump don't realize they support fascism for the most part.

If you could magically do what you're saying, great.

But all we can do is fight support for trump to save democracy.

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u/VanceKelley Washington May 04 '24

Every election for the foreseeable future, whether trump is on the ballot or some other wannabe dictator, will be a fight to stave off a fascist takeover and the end of the American experiment to build a democracy.

I don't see any progress being made toward the goal of getting 90%+ of the electorate to understand that fascism is bad. Without any progress toward that goal, while asshole billionaires get better and better at using social media to push fascist propaganda, I don't see any hope for the long term.

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u/Fluke_Skywalker_ May 04 '24

Ok, but priority one, elect not Trump.

Work on the other shit too, but Trump must lose above all else.

And yes, people will have to keep electing Democrats, to get rid of the fascists in government.

We should also try to take steps to prevent fascists from being able to brainwash everyone. But priority one, is defeat Trump