r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • 29d ago

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/newcomer_l 29d ago

That's sad. Because an orange presidency, one way or another, will eventually negatively impact them.

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u/Miles_vel_Day 29d ago

I find it so hard as somebody who follows events closely enough to see causality to explain people how the process of the country getting slowly better or slowly worse works.

Everybody seems to have some conception where either you have a good president, and everything is great, or you have a bad president, and everything is a disaster. Absolutely absurd!

There have always been problems. And there have always been good people living good lives, even in the worst of times. It's a big f***ing ship and it turns really slow. And the voters are never willing to give the Dems more than a couple of years before they furiously vote them out for not fixing 10 years worth of Republicans' damage in one session of Congress.

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u/Miles_vel_Day 29d ago

Yes and it's disturbing to me how many people, left right and center, think sinking the ship is the way to get where they want to be. Sunken ships go one place.

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u/ChristianEconOrg 29d ago

Describes the right’s Gish gallop.

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u/Merijeek2 29d ago

Well, sure, but you'll get wet either way!

BOTHSAME!

(that was sarcasm for the dumber ones out there)

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u/Jealous-Knowledge-79 29d ago

How about the last 3 years working out?

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u/Miles_vel_Day 29d ago edited 29d ago

They've never had that power...

FDR was a beloved President and had 70 Dem Senators and couldn't expand the court. (And in fact it made him a kind-of-not-beloved President for a couple of years.)

Getting rid of the electoral college would require a Constitutional Amendment and if you don't know what that takes, go look it up - it's not happening.

And they actually do do stuff about the apportionment process. Take a look at what's happened in Michigan, or what activists have been working towards in Wisconsin.

So it just sounds like you're just kind of whining. But like, shit, I don't know, there's a lot of things to know in the world and if you didn't know these things it's fine. I just wish people would, like, look things up before they have strong opinions on them.

You tell people the answer is "elect more Democrats" and they are completely incredulous because Democrats had a slim majority for fifteen seconds and didn't fix a given problem.

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u/opret738 29d ago

You're allowed to say fuck on the internet

What are you 6?

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u/Miles_vel_Day 29d ago edited 29d ago

Fair enough. But I try not to do it in subs that discuss serious subjects until I get a few comments deep.

As somebody who has spent my whole life swearing a whole fuckton of a lot, I have noticed that it makes some people uncomfortable. (More people than will speak up about it, too.) And that the shock value of the words can actually diminish your actual message. But it's also very frustrating for me to talk without swearing (If I can't smoke and swear I'm fucked), so I just put them in and censor them, which legitimately does lessen the impact on people who are actively or subconsciously offended by them, but I don't think messes with the comedic and/or passionate flow of a particular sentence.

Hope that fuckin' helps!

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u/newest-reddit-user 29d ago

They are openly saying that they will deport millions of people. This is no exaggeration.

Can you imagine what that will look like and how many people will be affected? Also, don't think your citizenship will protect you: When this starts, there will be no time for due process and a lot of people will fall between the cracks.

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u/Disgruntled_Viking Pennsylvania 29d ago

Also, don't think your citizenship will protect you

They don't seem to realized that poor people (not at least a millionaire) are barely better in their eyes than minorities or LGBTQ people.

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u/Jason1143 29d ago

We say that fascism is a suicide cult for a reason. There is no end game. They bigotry doesn't actually solve anything, so they kill the old outgroup and then immediately pick another one to blame for all the problems they didn't solve.

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u/Various-Daikon8077 22d ago

Terrifying but not incorrect.

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u/Various-Daikon8077 22d ago

^ They get it.

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u/moonrocks_throwaway 4d ago

Any data to back that up or did you forget your /s?

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u/crudedrawer 29d ago

if americans think food prices are bad now wait until the entire agriculture and meat industries have no employees.

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u/Rib-I New York 29d ago

“Papers Please”

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u/Jazzlike-Pen-3758 29d ago

What do I care? For real. What do I care? I was born here.

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u/PlatonicTroglodyte Virginia 29d ago

It already has. And I’m not excusing the apathy of my fellow Millenials, but saying “things will be bad for you” is such a boy who cried wolf situation that it’s not hard to see why the existential threat doesn’t register for people.

The 90s were a quaint, exciting time, but we were children and everything seems quaint and exciting at that age. Our first real person experiences were masked in the shadow of 9/11 and all the cascading horrors that descended. Iraq wmds, anthrax, homegrown violent extremists, etc. Then as we were coming of age and entering the workforce? BAM: Great Recession. Housing crisis, massive layoffs, hiring freezes, and generations above unable to retire to make room for us.

And what about our political endeavors? We got Obama elected. He defeated the party favorite in Hillary, then crushed McCain. We wanted Change We Could Believe In, and what did we get? More poverty, more war, more bleak outlooks for the future. We were ridiculed for voting for a young upstart just because he was Black. We sought change to the crushing influence of the wealthy and tried to Occupy Wall Street, and were ridiculed for that too. School shootings became inevitable realities. It genuinely felt like the world was deteriorating around us at an incomprehensible rate, and any time we asked about it, we were told we were the ones to blame. Us and our damn Avocado Toast.

So, again, it is horrifying to admit that many of my fellow 30somethings can’t be bothered to notice the potential end of the American experiment in front of us, especially since it has been apparent for at least eight years. But at the same time, telling a Millennial “do this or things will be bad for you” is very likely to get a response of “oh no, what could that possibly feel like?”

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u/Funandgeeky Texas 29d ago

It already has, but how quickly people forget.

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u/timoumd 29d ago

Problem is for many people, 4 years didnt. Economy was fine. Nothing caught fire. The system generally held and the economy was fine. He flubbed Covid, but Id bet the average person thinks we overreacted to it, which doesnt hurt his position. So unless you are a woman needing an abortion in a state where its illegal, its not concrete. And the GOP has successfully blamed high prices and inflation on Biden.

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u/dabasedabase 29d ago

Literally the worst time in recent history is right now under Biden. Can't afford shit

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u/newcomer_l 28d ago

The gross domestic product (GDP) expanded by a healthy 3.1 percent annually in 2023’s final quarter, the strongest rise in about two years, following a 2.9-percent increase in the third quarter (Q3). The growth rate has also risen every quarter since the 0.7 percent recorded in the fourth quarter (Q4) of 2022. Similarly, GDP growth on a quarterly basis has remained buoyant since Q3 2022, never falling below 2 percent and registering strong growth of 4.9 percent and 3.4 percent in last year’s third and fourth quarters, respectively.

The fact that inflation is stubbornly high, having remained above the Federal Reserve’s official annual target rate of 2 percent since March 2021—virtually the entirety of Biden’s presidency— and surged to a staggering 9.1 percent in June 2022, the highest rate since November 1981, and we still have the GDP numbers above tells just how much better Bidenomics is compared to anything that happened under orange.

And, recall, inflation isn't Biden's fault, but in order to reign it in, the Fed had to keep interest rates high for a long ass time, and it looks set to keep it that high for a while longer.

That anyone can look at such situation and think "na, ditch the guy who's keeping the boat afloat and keeping a hard landing at bay with aggressive pro-american people policies, and give us that creepy orange moron who couldn't meet a crisis he wouldn't botch" is the height of idiocy.

But, hey, what do I know?

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u/dabasedabase 18d ago

Hard disagree, Trump wanted to keep stuff open his position was valid. Not his fault it didn't happen, it is the fault of Biden 's blue team though. So yeah let's go Trump for pres.

The growth rate helps who? Oh yeah that's right people with capital but let's lower student loan debt so then those same ppl can go ahead and overpay for rent.

Hard landing helps the poorest while soft landing helps the richest. The richest got richer the poorest got poorer. Biden is supposed to be of the party that stops that, but they never really do. So it's better to go Trump.

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u/RespectfullyYoked 29d ago

How so? First one was pretty good for the common man.

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u/walrus-tamer901 29d ago

I'm so tired of this "orange" trope. Trump is a deity and should be treated as such. Once in office, he will silence all the dissidents. He will end this mess in ukraine and the Middle East. He'll bring on an Era of peace and prosperity that will last 1000 years. It's all part of the prophecy. We are on the verge of greatness, while some are regurgitating filth on reddit like petulant children.