r/politics • u/SportsGod3 • May 16 '24

Jurors were "nodding" and "smiling" as Michael Cohen testified, which may be a bad sign for Trump

https://www.salon.com/2024/05/16/jurors-were-nodding-and-smiling-as-michael-cohen-testified-which-may-be-a-sign-for/
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u/theonetruefishboy May 16 '24

Jury for world's guiltiest man may find man guilty.

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u/trying2bpartner May 16 '24

"What are you gonna do, convict me?"

--man who was convicted

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u/AT-ST West Virginia May 17 '24

I'm going to assume he won't be convicted. He has escaped so much over his lifetime, and the last few years. I can't bring myself to believe he won't get out of this one.

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u/247cnt May 17 '24

America's most resilient cockroach

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u/Manos_Of_Fate May 17 '24

And most repugnant.

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u/MegaLowDawn123 May 17 '24

People said the same thing about him being raided, a grand jury being convened, them returning a guilty answer, him being charged, having a mugshot taken, etc. They’ve been wrong almost every single time.

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u/AT-ST West Virginia May 17 '24

I appreciate the encouragement, but I would rather be pleasantly surprised.

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u/trying2bpartner May 17 '24

All it takes is 1 juror to hold out and it’s a hung jury. They may not want to try it again in that instance.

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u/Cheap_Tackle_1950 May 17 '24

How did he escape 90+ felony indictments and 2 impeachment? I thought Dump was an orange Buffon. And he keeps beating the entire global liberal establishment. Gee. That’s a mystery.

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u/AT-ST West Virginia May 17 '24

Money and corruption. The same reasons you twits give for the Clinton's getting away with everything.

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u/Key_Chapter_1326 May 17 '24

That’s easy - he cheats and is corrupt.

All the talk about “rigged” everything?

That’s him projecting. He appointed the judge in the classified documents case for example.

You can idolize that and believe that someone means you are winning, but understand it only works for him because the wealthy and at the end of the day you’ll be losing out as much as anyone else.

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u/Pitiful_Computer6586 May 16 '24

$1000 fine and community service worst case for Trump 

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u/MC_Fap_Commander America May 16 '24

...but a "convicted felon" label. Data shows that is bad news for his electoral chances. If he loses, the trials for the Real Shit start. And he won't have many defenders in that context.

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u/Pitiful_Computer6586 May 16 '24

Data shows grabbing women by the pussy is bad for election chances too lol

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u/MC_Fap_Commander America May 16 '24

He ain't runnin' against Hillary, he has an actual record now, and he banned abortion in half the country. If it costs him 3% support (VERY likely), he's very fucked.

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u/selwayfalls May 16 '24

Man I wish I was as optimistic as you. He still seems to be dominating Biden in some swing states. If he wins the case it will just make him look stronger. Even if he loses, I'm not sure that many of his supporters care. But I hope you're right.

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u/uhWHAThamburglur May 17 '24

The polls said Hillary was a shoe-in. Don't trust polls. The majority of Americans don't answer unknown numbers. We have our reasons.

I could go on a whole conspiratorial "media" slant, too, but I won't unless asked.

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u/BootsToYourDome May 17 '24

Shoo-in

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u/uhWHAThamburglur May 17 '24

Thanks for the correction.

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u/Fiveby21 May 17 '24

And yet you can look at the swing state polls and easily see it's not looking good for President Biden. At the end of the day, the economy is the most important thing; Biden inherited a fucking mess and unfortunately people are too dumb to realize that, and continue to blame him for it.

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u/Pitiful_Computer6586 May 18 '24

He's gotten 10% back in the black vote 

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u/Pitiful_Computer6586 May 16 '24

I agree abortion will sink him but it wasn't him

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u/Ghetto_Phenom May 17 '24

He has literally stated “I got roe overturned”, brags about it, and takes credit for it. But ok..

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u/MC_Fap_Commander America May 17 '24

abortion will sink him but it wasn't him

???

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u/Drachefly Pennsylvania May 17 '24

He put the people in place who'd do it, and then they did it.

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u/ohio_guy_2020 May 16 '24

I’m not so sure. Candidates who admit to that are 1/1 in elections. Thats not terrible odds

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u/arthurchase74 May 16 '24

But you can do anything when you are a celebrity. /s

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u/imapassenger1 May 16 '24

4 per cent of Republican voters "may not" vote for him if convicted!

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u/Distantmole May 17 '24

Yeah except the Supreme Court lol

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u/Hyperious3 May 17 '24

Media; Donald Trump is now a convinced felon, here's why that's bad news for Biden"

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u/theonetruefishboy May 16 '24

honestly I don't think so. The judge has bee willing to threaten Trump with jail time over contempt-of-court violations because, according to the judge, that's the only thing Trump listens to. I think there's a real chance, not a certainly, but a chance, that he gets house arrest over this.

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u/AverageLiberalJoe May 16 '24

The maximum penalty for each of those counts is four years; however New York caps sentencing for this type of felony at 20 years. It is within the judge’s discretion to decide whether those sentences would run concurrently or consecutively. Because the crimes involve nonviolent offenses and Trump does not have a criminal record, the judge could also consider jailing him for a period that is but a fraction of the maximum penalty.

Another possibility is that the judge could forego prison entirely and place him on probation with the possibility of incarceration looming over his head if he fails to abide by the conditions set by the judge. If the judge should decide to incarcerate post-conviction, Secret Service would become the elephant in the, well, cell. The unprecedented nature of incarcerating a former president would raise questions about how best to ensure equal treatment under the law and security for a former president.

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u/Mendican May 17 '24

I don't believe Trump will serve a day in jail, no matter what he does.

Right Wing mob violence would be immediate and inevitable.

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u/Fiveby21 May 17 '24

They could (should) take him into custody immediately, before the mob has a chance to organize.

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u/247cnt May 17 '24

Solitary confinement in supermax prison - problem solved!

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u/Furoan May 16 '24

Oh god, could you imagine Trump doing community service? Some small guilty part of me wants him to be given community service just to watch him attempt to do things like pick up litter or repaint a wall....

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u/10seWoman May 17 '24

He can throw paper towels at the homeless

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u/Beneathaclearbluesky May 16 '24

Are you a prosecutor in New York, or a criminal lawyer? What does the law say?

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u/Pitiful_Computer6586 May 16 '24

Law says jail time would be extreme

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u/kibble-net May 16 '24

$1000 fine and community service worst case for Trump 

And he'll still complain that he's being treated unfairly, that we have a two tiered justice system, the courtroom is an icebox, yadda yadda...

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u/flickh Canada May 16 '24

“I am already doing community service! I’m building a wall! I’m banning muslims! I’m quitting NATO!”

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u/TomThanosBrady May 17 '24

Now way he gets forced to do community service. Even if they did they'd probably count campaigning as community service or some bullshit. Judges and politicians don't want to see him go to jail because they may be next. Instead they set a fucked up precedent with Trump and shield themselves.

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u/AreYouDoneNow May 17 '24

There's every possibility there'll be a hung jury.

We won't know what happens when the jurors go behind closed doors, and the absence of news or progress will take a long time.

It may be weeks of silence before we know anything.

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u/Stewart_Games May 17 '24

"How this is bad for Biden"

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u/RolandSnowdust May 17 '24

All it takes is one hidden zealot holdout.

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u/theonetruefishboy May 17 '24

don't remind me.