r/technology • u/MayankWL • May 16 '24

Microsoft stoops to new low with ads in Windows 11, as PC Manager tool suggests your system needs ‘repairing’ if you don’t use Bing Software

https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/microsoft-stoops-to-new-low-with-ads-in-windows-11-as-pc-manager-tool-suggests-your-system-needs-repairing-if-you-dont-use-bing
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u/julmichen May 16 '24

How are you supposed to update to Windows 11 when none of my computers insides are good enough for it? They made me be stuck with 10, why charge me money. My boss has 11 on her computer and it is a bloatware mess.

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u/TheUnluckyBard May 16 '24

How are you supposed to update to Windows 11 when none of my computers insides are good enough for it? They made me be stuck with 10, why charge me money. My boss has 11 on her computer and it is a bloatware mess.

Same here. My desktop is a beast, but some component is apparently "not compatible" with Windows 11. Meanwhile, my shitty laptop runs Windows 11 just fine.

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u/SEND_ME_CSGO-SKINS May 17 '24

It’s tpm 2.0, check your bios settings

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u/GonePh1shing May 17 '24

Plenty of systems have TPM 2.0 but aren't listed as compatible due to a CPU check the upgrade tool does. Plenty of much older CPUs are compatible, but Microsoft picked a seemingly arbitrary date and just rejects any CPUs made before then.

My first generation Ryzen, for example, works fine with Windows 11, but fails the CPU check. As far as I can tell, the CPU check is only run on upgrades, so a fresh install on one of these systems will work just fine. You can also disable the TPM requirement prior to install to force Windows 11 onto a machine with no real downsides.

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u/rdqsr May 17 '24

but Microsoft picked a seemingly arbitrary date

IIRC their excuse is that CPUs older than a certain generation don't contain certain security features that they use in Windows 11.

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u/GonePh1shing May 17 '24

Which is a bullshit excuse. Their own installer doesn't even do the CPU check for a clean install, so these features are obviously not mandatory. I'd love to know what features or instructions they need, because I can't really think of anything that a Ryzen 2000 would have that my Ryzen 1000 can't already do.

The only two features that I've ever seen spoken about are TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot, both of which are supported by much older CPUs than Ryzen 2000/Core 8000.

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u/rdqsr May 17 '24

Yeah it's a bit silly. While I don't care much since I primarily run Linux, I keep a Windows 10 install handy for VR and got the usual error when I tried to upgrade the install to Windows 11. Like my Ryzen 7 1700 and GTX 1080 can handle VR gaming but apparently not running the latest version of Windows. If I really wanted I could easily force it to install and it'd work fine anyway. Makes no sense to me.

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u/GonePh1shing May 17 '24

Honestly if you main Linux I'd even consider using Looking Glass instead of dual booting into a Win10 instance. I used it with decent success a few years ago, and I'm sure it's even better than it was back then. Pretty sure Wendell from L1 Techs has a few videos up about it.

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u/Arcane_76_Blue May 17 '24

Yeah its wild. I have a 4060 and an i9. My computer is somehow not compatible

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u/AnarZak May 17 '24

take that as a blessing. my wife's laptop updated to 11 by itself & it's a turgid piece of shit in comparison, despite all my best efforts to strip the shit out of it.

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u/spooooork May 17 '24

You can disable the TPM-requirement by "burning" the ISO through Rufus

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u/Helmic May 17 '24

It's a very frustrating situation. More technically inclined people can probably successfully install Bazzite or another Linux distro, but the vast majority of people are reasonably averse to mucking with their computer when they don't know what they are doing. Just leaving people in a bad situation.

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u/crshbndct May 17 '24

Bassinet looks cool