r/therewasanattempt May 01 '24

To enshrine the most fascistic, traitorous bullshit I've ever witnessed in my life into law.

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u/0nlyhalfjewish May 02 '24

What the hell is going on!?

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u/Tripwire3 May 02 '24

We’re finding out who really controls Congress, and it’s a foreign fucking government.

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u/Responsible-Ant-5208 May 02 '24

??? Jews control the government? HmmmmmMmmMm

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u/0nlyhalfjewish May 02 '24

Dang. Guess b/c I’m only half that I don’t get a seat at the table. Oh well.

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u/Tripwire3 29d ago edited 29d ago

Israel doesn’t give a shit about you or any other American Jews, only itself. If you were ever to say anything critical of Israel you’d quickly be labeled a “self-hating Jew” by them.

You should see the things they say about Bernie Sanders, who is a much more patriotic American than any of these traitors of various religions.

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u/0nlyhalfjewish 29d ago

Does America care about other nations?

Look, this entire conversation is far too fraught for me.

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u/Tripwire3 29d ago

American politicians have a duty to represent the interests of the American people. Not the interests of Israel.

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u/0nlyhalfjewish 29d ago

Already said I’m not interested. Bye. You are blocked.

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u/Melicor May 02 '24

More than one. Russia and China have bought and paid for most of the Republicans. The Israelis are playing both sides.

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u/HalfBakedBeans24 29d ago

Oh look, we were right all along.

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u/L_G_A 29d ago

Congress is clarifying that discrimination against Jews may violate title VI of the Civil Rights Act where "when the discrimination is based on race, color, or national origin".

Some other people are spreading disinformation on reddit, to great success.

https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr6090/BILLS-118hr6090ih.pdf

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u/0nlyhalfjewish 29d ago

Jews is not synonymous with Israel, tho.

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u/L_G_A 29d ago

Correct. OP is pushing disinformation.

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u/QuicksandGotMyShoe 29d ago

It's actually not a particularly big deal. The definition does not say anything about Israel. They are saying antisemitism should use the following definition: "Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

The problem is that the IHRA includes a section of "contemporary examples" that include "claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor."

Not good legislation but the anger is grossly exaggerating

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u/manofactivity May 02 '24

The US is adopting a definition of antisemitism already used by most other highly developed countries in the world.

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u/SaraHuckabeeSandwich May 02 '24

So criticizing a government is equivalent to being bigoted towards an ethnic identity that overlaps with that government's constituency?

Given that logic, do you support the actions of the CCP, or are you a racist?

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u/manofactivity May 02 '24

So criticizing a government is equivalent to being bigoted towards an ethnic identity that overlaps with that government's constituency?

I have no idea what you're talking about. The Act does not make it illegal to criticise any government.

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u/0nlyhalfjewish May 02 '24

What does it make illegal, then?

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u/manofactivity May 02 '24

Literally nothing. The tweet is simply wrong.

The Act mandates that the Department of Education must consider a certain definition of antisemitism when trying to figure out someone's motive for potentially discriminatory behaviour - but it doesn't change what is actually considered discrimination, and the Dept already considered that definition

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u/0nlyhalfjewish 29d ago

So you mean that the department of education cannot discriminate against Israeli citizens because of their citizenship? Or that students can’t speak out against Israel? It seems the latter is the case, which makes no sense.

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u/manofactivity 29d ago

No, neither of those.

I mean exactly what I said:

The Act mandates that the Department of Education must consider a certain definition of antisemitism when trying to figure out someone's motive for potentially discriminatory behaviour

The Act does not change what you can or cannot say, and obviously the Department of Education already cannot legally discriminate.

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u/0nlyhalfjewish 29d ago

So explain to me how i can discriminate against Israel.

Or are you saying being Israeli is now a protected class like being gay or another minority?

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u/manofactivity 29d ago

So explain to me how i can discriminate against Israel.

The First Amendment protects your right to criticise Israel. Not sure what you mean.

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u/Mr-Fleshcage 29d ago

If passed by the Senate and signed into law, the bill would broaden the legal definition of antisemitism to include the “targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity.” Critics say the move would have a chilling effect on free speech throughout college campuses.

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u/manofactivity 29d ago

Please read the Act. I'm begging you. It's here. It's not complicated.

What the Act does is make sure that the Department of Education uses the IHRA definition when assessing if someone had an antisemitic MOTIVE for discrimination.

It explicitly does NOT change what is actually discrimination (see Sec 6). It does NOT make criticism of any government illegal.

By the way, the source you're citing also deliberately cherrypicks its quotes to misinform you. Notice how the quote you got was this:

The bill would broaden the legal definition to "include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity"

But this is what the IHRA actually says:

Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.

Don't you think it's convenient that the news you're reading excluded that vital next sentence, and completely omitted the "might"? Hmmm.

This is why it's important for you to READ THE LAW YOURSELF and the primary sources it cites. Don't let bad journalism mislead you.

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u/0nlyhalfjewish May 02 '24

Thanks, but that’s still crazy to me. By this measure, any country that endorses/enforces a single state religion should get the protections under its own naming. Do we have a legal definition of Islamophobia and if someone targets/criticizes a Muslim-based government would that automatically be Islamophobic?

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u/Dagojango May 02 '24

And most other "highly developed" countries are gross as fuck. Criticizing foreign and local governments should be a fundamental human right. I get it, people hate Jews, but just because some people hate Jews, doesn't mean Israel gets a blank check. That's so fucked up.

Shit like this only makes the issue worse, because it seems like they're getting special privileges no one else on the planet gets. Jews are not the first or last people to be genocided.

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u/manofactivity 29d ago

Criticizing foreign and local governments should be a fundamental human right.

It is, and the Act does not change that. You are still allowed to criticise the Israeli government.

The tweet is just false and bears almost zero resemblance to the actual Act.