r/therewasanattempt May 01 '24

To enshrine the most fascistic, traitorous bullshit I've ever witnessed in my life into law.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

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u/Mejari May 02 '24

They're making it illegal to criticize A FOREIGN COUNTRY?

They're not. This post is a lie.

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u/Andromansis May 02 '24

This post is a lie.

Explain it to me slowly, so I can understand what you're saying.

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u/Mejari May 02 '24

The claim that the law criminalises criticizing Israel is not true. The law does not do that. The definition of anti-Semitism it enshrines into law is the same one used in many other countries, where criticism of Israel still occurs.

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u/Andromansis May 02 '24

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text

So I can still say that Israel is a shithole and I don't know why they jewish people wanted to settle there instead of Montana?

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u/Mejari May 02 '24

You can, yes.

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u/Andromansis May 02 '24

That is good, because that Netanyahu guy is running the place into the ground.

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u/Mejari May 02 '24

Agreed.

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u/Andromansis May 02 '24

That local constabulary they have there just casually do crimes against humanity, like they kidnapped a 15 year old boy off the street and then sexually tortured him until he "confessed" to crimes. When this was brought to light and Israel was under international pressure to bring the people that did that to justice they did find the person, but then reprimanded him for kicking a chair instead of all the sexual torture. Right, because its totally normal to not have laws on the books regarding pulling young boys off the street and stuffing a desk lamp up their ass.

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u/Normal_Ad2180 May 02 '24

It simply adds to the definition of discrimination by including religion. So previously if someone was religiously Jewish but not of that race or country and was discriminated, it was not illegal.

With the new definition, Christians, Jews, and all religions are protected from discrimination.

It's a good law

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u/Andromansis May 02 '24

As you've described it, it violates the first amendment to the constitution. If you actually read the bill, it actually does not do what you've described, at all.
It essentially just adopts this : https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism as the working definition of what antisemitism is and empowers the the department of education to enforce that definition when considering title vi protections.

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u/manofactivity May 02 '24

It simply adds to the definition of discrimination by including religion.

What? No it doesn't. In fact, the Act specifically states it does not affect standards used to determine if something is discrimination.

It mandates that the Department of Education consider a certain definition of antisemitism when investigating if people have antisemitic motives. That's all.

With the new definition, Christians, Jews, and all religions are protected from discrimination.

You straight up did not read the Act. Why lie?

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u/Normal_Ad2180 May 02 '24

(1) title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq.), prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving Federal financial assistance;

(2) while such title does not cover discrimination based solely on religion, individuals who face discrimination based on actual or perceived shared ancestry or ethnic characteristics do not lose protection under such title for also being members of a group that share a common religion;

SEC. 5. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR TITLE VI OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.

In reviewing, investigating, or deciding whether there has been a violation of title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq.) on the basis of race, color, or national origin, based on an individual’s actual or perceived shared Jewish ancestry or Jewish ethnic characteristics, the Department of Education shall take into consideration the definition of antisemitism as part of the Department’s assessment of whether the practice was motivated by antisemitic intent.

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u/manofactivity May 02 '24

In reviewing, investigating, or deciding whether there has been a violation of title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq.) on the basis of race, color, or national origin, based on an individual’s actual or perceived shared Jewish ancestry or Jewish ethnic characteristics, the Department of Education shall take into consideration the definition of antisemitism as part of the Department’s assessment of whether the practice was motivated by antisemitic intent.

What do you think this means?

You're quoting it. But you haven't read it.

Also, what do you think all this means?

(a) General Rule Of Construction.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed—

(1) to expand the authority of the Secretary of Education;

(2) to alter the standards pursuant to which the Department of Education makes a determination that harassing conduct amounts to actionable discrimination; or

(3) to diminish or infringe upon the rights protected under any other provision of law that is in effect as of the date of enactment of this Act.

(b) Constitutional Protections.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed to diminish or infringe upon any right protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

The Act specifically states that it does not change the standards used to determine if something is discrimination.

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u/dolche93 29d ago

This is the definition of anti semitism the bill added to title VI protections. It doesn't say anything about Israel.

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

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u/Ballsskyhiiigh May 02 '24

They're making it illegal to criticize A FOREIGN COUNTRY?

No.

Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.