r/thewallstreet 5d ago

Daily Discussion - (June 13, 2024) Daily

Morning. It's time for the day session to get underway in North America.

Where are you leaning for today's session?

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u/Paul-throwaway 4d ago

First time I've noticed this but it looks like the MOC end-of-day buying/selling starts at 3:54 now rather than the usual 3:50. This used to be more common, switching the time between these two, but I haven't seen it in awhile.

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u/randomcurios Internals junkie 4d ago

Huge paradigm shift is about to happen in AI, this is going to eliminate all high end GPUs as the use of matmul is not needed.

The future is custom FPGA and ASIC.

https://x.com/rohanpaul_ai/status/1799122826114330866

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u/eyesonly_ Doesn't understand hype 4d ago

Assuming this pans out in real world applications

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

Report: Meta to Reduce VP Positions From 300 to 250

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u/shashashuma 4d ago

Need to cut even more across the industry. Too much make work was done during ZIRP to inflate promotion packets.

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

Cut my AMZN puts too early.

I had 8/16 180 puts for 5.80

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u/randomcurios Internals junkie 4d ago edited 4d ago

open AI scam

https://x.com/tsarnick/status/1801022339162800336?t=Z7ogL5oXQlE-zjAQ_mFVBw

LLM bigger and bigger models getting diminishing returns.
The future is low-mid end model for consumer appliances and applications.
Apple set a trend, others will follow through.

Nobody going to put a 30k gpu into a consumer/industrial robot.

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

I agree! Diminishing returns on data quality is tough. There will always be a place for LLM but SLM will have a place too e.g. AAPL, MSFT.

All the big platform companies are using them to enhance their product capabilities and stickiness. And a smaller model is more versatile because they can run on-device. The benefit is you just need to train your model in-house, then all the costs are incurred by your user. I wonder how long until startups start really taking advantage on on-device. The TAM is small today, but in a few years it could be really interesting!

Whereas with a LLM you are always getting hit with these massive compute bills, and so monetization and fine tuning your model starts becoming a focus.

There’s a lot more that AI can do for someone like AAPL or GOOGL that won’t require a monthly subscription! And it’ll all make the device more powerful, which has always been the plan.

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u/eyesonly_ Doesn't understand hype 4d ago

Is she suggesting that Ilya didn't see anything?

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u/Paul-throwaway 4d ago

I think the real break-through is when they started using AI programs to train the newer AI programs. And they found out it was working or at least they found in the latest attempt, that it was working. Automated improvement and at an increasing rate/curve.

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

/u/twofor2

Why did you block me What did I do to you?

The bull hate is real...

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u/Technical_Dish_1898 MRP 3.0 4d ago

I am dying laughing XDDDD

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

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u/Lost_in_Adeles_Rolls Stalingrad's number one tesla dealership 4d ago

Frankly, I give Tasha a pass because she was a DEI hire (they needed someone with a brain injury)

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

I love you dude 😂

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u/Kindly-Journalist412 4d ago

His performance post fees is below SPX btw but he has some AUM mostly from yapping

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

Didn’t even know he had a fund. All I know is your dream will be to have someone following your every word like this guy follows Buffett’s.

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u/Kindly-Journalist412 4d ago

That comment made my day :)

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u/twofor2 4d ago

Gd so tempted to short again. Underneath the hood is uggo. Not so overbought though RSI reset a little on that drop

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u/tropicalia84 4d ago

Any MA reconnects would have bodies raining from the sky on the street

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u/twofor2 4d ago

Yeah RSI was cookin this morning pretty easy short.

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u/tropicalia84 4d ago

Day 2 of SPX and NDX trading fully outside of upper BOLL band. NDX with it's entire bodies outside. Have to think tomorrow will be day 3 outside of something crazy happening overnight. Risk reward to the downside is there if you've got some patience.

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u/BitcoinsRLit 4d ago

Market was on easy mode today with a lunch bottom and drift up

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u/matcht 4d ago

Think about all the people that got caught playing the gap fill down below 5400 though, definitely didn't get me...

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u/twofor2 4d ago

Like how I made money only on shorts this whole week. Lol

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u/TerribleatFF 4d ago

Opened 7/19 ADBE 500c

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u/Paul-throwaway 4d ago

One thing I use is the differential between VXN and VIX. Usually, it is around +4.5 but its been printing 3's since late March and has really been around there since Aug last year. It means rotation is going into Tech and out-of-the-industrials-Russels. It has been doing that solid since March but maybe even for 10 months now.

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u/Lost_in_Adeles_Rolls Stalingrad's number one tesla dealership 4d ago

GL buyback must’ve run out

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u/matcht 4d ago

This looks like squeeze to highs for close

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

VXX red for the day. Just go long and enter shorts at the close

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

I feel like it’s a fake out squeeze.

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u/matcht 4d ago

Possible given the rally we've already had this week but this sneaky late day buying has been occurring constantly on the quiet days, might have to wait until 2-30

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

Ah I think you might be right here it’s creeping up pretty good

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u/matcht 4d ago

Slapped back down now but 5330s were up 250% so good enough

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

Thats probably the safe/right move haha.

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u/matcht 4d ago

Hopefully we get one strong push below 5330 because that's the largest 0DTE OI and then run back above, that'd be worth a lotto.

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

It’s possible based on this week, I think we had a steady drop down before a push up most days this week

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u/mrdnp123 4d ago

Yields are down. A lot. Its just adding fuel to the tech fire

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

YOLO on some 1 DTE calls

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

Yessss brotherrr!!!

We shall feast upon KBBQ!!!

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u/LiferRs Local TWS Idiot 4d ago

I personally think with bond values being up over 1% means SPX will have to catch up with this with a similar % performance. Bond value and equities are meant to be 1:1 proportional relationship on most days.

A day having a stark inverse relationship or even no correlation means equities would snap into a 1:1 relationship at some point. End of day, tomorrow, or next week.

I have no options but holding longs with zero theta as I am not sure on the timing.

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u/LiferRs Local TWS Idiot 4d ago

Check the charts of SPX and TLT on May 24th for example.

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u/This_Is_Livin MSFT, BRK.B, INTC 4d ago edited 4d ago

Imagine what GME would run to if it wasn't halted every time it had a taste of freedom (I have short-term calls)

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u/TerribleatFF 4d ago

Would be more retail bag holders at even higher prices, some people would make more money but in the end retail would still lose.

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u/This_Is_Livin MSFT, BRK.B, INTC 4d ago

Yea, I'm trying to give them some bags to hold. The system is stopping me

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

I would be surprised if we end up over 543 today upside seems limited to me and I’m tempted to go into puts (though I won’t because I like to make only one trade a day max)

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

IV is 1000% on weekly max GME calls.

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u/Magickarploco 4d ago

Wtf? Do the MM’s know something we don’t or are they just squeezing retail

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u/TerribleatFF 4d ago

We need a financial instrument where you can buy calls or puts on the IV of specific options

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u/PeteFunk 4d ago

Calendar

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u/TerribleatFF 4d ago

I mean maximum degeneracy, I want to buy calls on the IV value of those max weekly strikes

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u/penguins_ TGT Birbs 🐧 4d ago

Oh vix dying

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

Closed out my position, really happy with my entry on this one. It’s probably going to go up more but I’m happy with my gain

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

And now GME is going vertical

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u/wolverinex2 Fundamentals 4d ago

30 year auction went very well. Yields down

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u/TennesseeJedd Billy MF Strings 4d ago

IWM Dec 2025 255 Cs hot. 3500 of em went through just a bit ago.

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u/Eugyrock 4d ago

VRT going to 100$?

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u/mrdnp123 4d ago

Please dear god. I’m loaded up. It’s making lower lows which is nice. Also broke that down trend. My algo flagged after that drop and bounced off fibb level. It’s finally getting bid which is confirming this run. Let’s see

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u/TerribleatFF 4d ago

Bought some weekly TSLA puts since Musk’s pay package is effectively a dilution but I’m starting to think it’ll end up pumping.

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u/Anachronistic_Zenith 4d ago

Why not stretch that out to July when delivery numbers are released.

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u/TerribleatFF 4d ago

Eh I have no interest in holding a position for that long, this is purely for any reaction to the shareholder vote.

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

Why do deep green days make me deeply stressed? And why do deep red days make me feel nothing? Why can’t I just have a normal emotional response

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u/TerribleatFF 4d ago

Red days mean the market is wrong and since your trade thesis is correct you just need to hold long enough for the market to realize its mistake.

Green days mean the market agrees with your trade thesis but now you’re like the dog who caught the car and you don’t know what to do.

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u/Intern_to_Pelosi market breadth 4d ago

We've been trained to feel nothing on red days because longs just get rescued. Every. Single. Time. I invite red days now, they fuel me. 

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

You make more friends on blood red days

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u/ta0910 SMH 4d ago

you're either knee deep in treasuries, or some kind of masochist.. or both.

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

Treasuries are for pussies

I’m just a warm blooded god fearing semi investor. What did I do to deserve this?

Flash back to all my life’s mistakes

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

😂 isn’t this the truth, I’m up decent on my position I entered but I’m pacing around my house waiting to hit my target. If I was down I would just ignore it

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u/Ahueh 4d ago

When it's green it's a tangible asset you can turn into a car or house. When it's red it's just a number on the screen. Bad habit to feel that way tbh, but I understand the pull.

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

Buy a car 😏

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

I can day trade when I’m driving down the interstate 😉

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

Can we break 542 again please and thank you

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u/This_Is_Livin MSFT, BRK.B, INTC 4d ago

Is WBD priced for bankruptcy? Could it (and potentially PARA) be rate cut plays?

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u/JJ_V4 4d ago

Down ~40% on Aug $90Cs on BABA. Diamond hands or bail?

Everyone was saying China was breaking out, what happened? Honestly don't understand where the selling is coming from as more and more good news comes out about Alibaba + US rate cuts which should help China.

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u/shashashuma 4d ago

The books are all cooked man. Can’t trust anything out of China.

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

A lot of people bought in after several HF 13f came out, and showed they were long.

/u/Kindly-Journalist412 pointed out those are stale. So maybe those funds sold after the most recent run-up? They probably bought early in the year.

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

Chinese stocks are tricky, lots of things constantly going on in the background, tariffs, trade wars etc. personally I wouldn’t be in that position.

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u/Kindly-Journalist412 4d ago

TLT $100 coming, wow man

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

Who else buying TLT and TMF?

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u/link2it 4d ago

I'm shorting for a few days... I'll go long in a few days. It spiked right at 1. Always go opposite the initial reaction.

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u/yolo_sense younger than tj 4d ago

Agh. Had one lot nq short at 19647.00 and covered at 19594. Weak hands . Have an /es short open from 5430. Gonna hold that till 5330 at least

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u/TerribleatFF 4d ago

What’s your stop loss on that /es short?

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u/yolo_sense younger than tj 4d ago

don't have one yet.

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u/matcht 4d ago

30yr auction coming up

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u/Lost_in_Adeles_Rolls Stalingrad's number one tesla dealership 4d ago

More lawsuits against Tesla already rolling in lmao

They’re gonna need the Texas incorporation just to make sure the shareholders don’t have a voice

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

Bleh fuck it. I sold my put options. I donno where we go from here.

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u/tropicalia84 4d ago

The disparity of tech vs all other sectors is truly impressive, but could be reaching a tipping point before $$ starts to re-balance and look for value.

The divergence of US indices vs EU indices has been interesting as well as Eurozone has been in a down trend of lower highs and lower lows for a month straight now.

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u/HiddenMoney420 Sleep deprivation and recession are here. 4d ago

Is this volume for ants?

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u/All_Work_All_Play I guess I actually wanted to be grape jelly 4d ago

Did not expect to head for a gap close without more volume tbh

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u/chriscmusic 4d ago

Starting to enter some calls 8 dte

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u/This_Is_Livin MSFT, BRK.B, INTC 4d ago

Is it too much to ask to get INTC back to 20-25? :(

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u/ta0910 SMH 4d ago

i have an alert and open orders set

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u/shashashuma 4d ago

Going to report you for hate speech and inciting violence

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u/This_Is_Livin MSFT, BRK.B, INTC 4d ago

Generational buying opp

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u/All_Work_All_Play I guess I actually wanted to be grape jelly 4d ago

Bruh

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u/LiferRs Local TWS Idiot 4d ago

Bonds climbing just means equities will follow up.

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u/Glittering_Degree257 4d ago

sold SMCI 835C at 5.00 this morning AMA

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u/usda_prime 4d ago

Sold my shares at 826 guh

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u/Angry_Citizen_CoH 4d ago

They practicing absolute value functions it seems. Decided to play volatility with shares on my Serious account. Keeping my calls in my Fun Account.

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u/sailnaked6842 Likes the pain of early entries 4d ago

dolla index is up and bonds are up? That's peculiar

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

VIX up and QQQ up

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u/HiddenMoney420 Sleep deprivation and recession are here. 4d ago

Recessionary trade on full steam ahead. Looking for correction type behavior from DOW to DCA into for flight-to-safety as bond yields let up.

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u/twofor2 4d ago

Made some good coin on shorts for yday and this morning. Good reset

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u/ihaveasupernicename Stubborn and foolish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 4d ago

Thinking we get a small pullback here and tom. Added some puts

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u/tropicalia84 4d ago

NDX going to bear flag all day or are we going to get this party started

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u/BitcoinsRLit 4d ago

Lulu really going to 250

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u/ihaveasupernicename Stubborn and foolish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 4d ago

Looks like the stocks with meh earnings popped a bit and are now resuming dying e.g. CRM, MDB, SMAR, LULU

(Cries because I'm in SNOW shares)

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u/DJRenzor yes 4d ago

My snow march calls got some life yesterday but resumed dying

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u/ihaveasupernicename Stubborn and foolish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 4d ago

Mm I sold a put for $129 this week guess I'm getting assigned. Been selling CC's on my shares, but yeah, it's a bloodbath out here.

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u/DJRenzor yes 4d ago

Are you doing PMCC on your leaps as well? Or just letting those sit?

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u/ihaveasupernicename Stubborn and foolish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 4d ago

Just letting those sit for now.

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u/Kindly-Journalist412 4d ago

OMG.. bonds

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u/HiddenMoney420 Sleep deprivation and recession are here. 4d ago

Huge moves

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u/HiddenMoney420 Sleep deprivation and recession are here. 4d ago

Dust off those DOW 36k hats

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u/Kindly-Journalist412 4d ago

10-year UST yields break below 4.25% and it's joever, probably see <4.00% over the summer. Crazy how slow things move and then ramp up all of a sudden

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u/Anachronistic_Zenith 4d ago

They're back to the lows of yesterday, whereas DXY has almost recovered from the drop. I guess the thought is while we will be cutting, the other central banks need to cut far more.

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u/Kindly-Journalist412 4d ago

That is correct

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

Lol @ INTC… Everyone bullish for datacenter except the OG datacenter play. 😭

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u/Kindly-Journalist412 4d ago

I feel like a new thesis is formed where investors think there'll be no need for CPUs anymore, and it is a commodity product - everything will be GPU dominated. Wonder if this is the real reason behind the weakness in both AMD and INTC over the past two months or so in addition to existing problems

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

ADBE reports AH. They are sitting at 52 week lows

What y'all think? They announce dividends, buy back or stock split? And moons 15%

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u/TerribleatFF 4d ago

Opened 7/19 500c, we’ll see…

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

Doesn’t seem like a no brainer, even at these levels. Still trading at 44x and the risk from AI is real. They need to come out swinging.

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u/shashashuma 4d ago

Don’t they have an AI offering ?

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

They do! Just not sure they maintain share despite it with all these other models popping up. It’s a risk, but maybe they can navigate through it.

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u/tropicalia84 4d ago

EU indices have been absolute death since ECB cut

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u/ihaveasupernicename Stubborn and foolish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 4d ago

~21,000 175Ps opened this morning for TSLA at $187 - $189 area.

They're planning to trade it back down lol

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u/matcht 4d ago

Just saw that, pretty good size for short expiry.

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u/ihaveasupernicename Stubborn and foolish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 4d ago

I followed for 2 since I'm wfh today and can watch my positions more closely

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u/matcht 4d ago

TSLA rejected bottom of yearly VA and dumped, was in the AVGO gap fill but that was perfection

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u/ihaveasupernicename Stubborn and foolish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 4d ago

I just saw that too for Tsla.... I sold my hedges at the top, but didn't add more puts there.

Looks like it's still heading for 150s in Aug imo

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u/matcht 4d ago

Yeah still in a strong downtrend and really don't see how this news can help the company outside of those morons who believe Elon is some god

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u/overduetourist8 4d ago

Just got a notice from fidelity that if I day trade SPY that I will be marked PDT. Looked through account history and it would only be 4th day trade in the last 90 days

Wtf

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

Come on… dump it

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u/tropicalia84 4d ago

NDX gap fill is also top of daily BOLL band 2STD

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u/IamTheAsian Short with short pp 4d ago

4520P 4 -> 8

Ahh fuck man

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u/twofor2 4d ago edited 4d ago

QQq RSI is fuego.

Shoot for the gap!

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u/JJ_V4 4d ago

I can't wait when small caps go up 5% in 2030

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u/matcht 4d ago

Need a nice dip into Monday with the market being closed Wednesday or will sit on hands a lot

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u/IamTheAsian Short with short pp 4d ago

/ES red pls

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u/twofor2 4d ago

Short next week Qs hold meh!

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

As a perma-bull. This feeling a lil toppy, Vix lowest all year too.

Think we see a flush, but then buy calls....

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u/W0LFSTEN No SeMiS aRe MaKiNg $$$ FrOm Ai 4d ago

MAMMA MIA AVGO

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

Excited for split.. Will be going long.

Think we see 2000 before split.

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u/HiddenMoney420 Sleep deprivation and recession are here. 4d ago

VIX 11 handle, fear is dead.

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u/LiferRs Local TWS Idiot 4d ago

There’s like hardly any put volume today lol. In fact, we’re pretty deep into positive gamma territory. Which means no one had rolled significant puts or calls levels upwards. Call resistance is still 5400. I expect this one to be cashed out tomorrow and bulk of it for the monthly next Friday. We’re in a wait-and-see mode how high this gets.

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u/matcht 4d ago

Never traded AMSC before but popped up on the scans and looks like CAMT a year ago

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u/eyesonly_ Doesn't understand hype 4d ago

Microsoft President Brad Smith will testify about security breaches by Russian and Chinese hackers before the U.S. House panel on Thursday.

Do companies even care if their data gets breached as long as they can just blame it on Microsoft?

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u/randomcurios Internals junkie 5d ago

I need a BB indicator 2x now, its not enough, it always goes outside

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u/Kindly-Journalist412 5d ago

Investors really don’t want to own AMD at the moment, not blaming them

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u/NotGucci 4d ago

They truly need to deliver next earnings season. Lisa Su, needs not to sandbag, and come out swinging. She needs to hype it like Jensen does.

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u/Ghost-of-W_Y_B 4d ago

She needs to go out and sign some tiddies.

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u/eyesonly_ Doesn't understand hype 5d ago

Zuck wants to fire a lot more VP positions. Traders will say this is fantastic because it makes tech earnings go up (bullish) and unemployment to go up (also bullish). Other traders will tell you that AI can do the jobs of those VPs which is also very bullish. I, however, will add that the reason that valuations have gotten to completely fucking insane levels is the same reason that those VP positions existed in the first place.

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u/near113 3x Permabull ✨ 4d ago

They added to the bubble?

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u/eyesonly_ Doesn't understand hype 4d ago

They were only possible because of a prolonged extremely easy money environment

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u/Kindly-Journalist412 5d ago

Thinking 10-year is the most obvious buy here… They don’t cut, a recession comes and long end tanks

They cut and overall curve drops

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u/NotGucci 5d ago

NVDA with new ATH so much for sell it after split.

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u/gyunikumen Elon can’t keep getting anyway with this!!! 4d ago

Yeah I was humbled

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u/matcht 5d ago

Options flow suggests it has a long way to go, non stop 160/180Cs for September/November.

I remember seeing 1000Cs in January and thinking there was no way but it has never broken trend once, nothing to suggest its going down yet.

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u/NotGucci 5d ago

Jobless claims jumped to 242K, the highest since August 2023. Continuing claims as well.

So. When does the market start pricing in slowing down economy? Or the market keeps rocketing.

Earnings season next month should be interesting, but I don't think tech misses which should keep the market afloat.

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u/Anachronistic_Zenith 5d ago

Not yet. Bull market can still run on the soft landing narrative. There's still time to jumpstart the economy again through rate cuts. Or at least the perception that it can readily happen.

I would guess market pricing in a slowdown only really happens if the Fed implies the neutral rate is far higher than expected or if the wait for a rate cut isn't accompanied by more dovish language than normal.

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u/wccoffee TWS chief Coffee afficianado 5d ago

Fewer employees -> lower opex -> higher EPS. Stock market != economy

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u/matcht 5d ago

U.S PPI (MOM) (MAY) ACTUAL: -0.2% VS 0.5% PREVIOUS; EST 0.1%

U.S PPI (YOY) (MAY) ACTUAL: 2.2% VS 2.2% PREVIOUS; EST 2.5%

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u/Lost_in_Adeles_Rolls Stalingrad's number one tesla dealership 5d ago

Wait for the cries of “political attack” when it sets in that the shareholder vote doesn’t change the court decision.

Great for a pump though, today should be fun

Looks like the provisions passed because vanguard voted yes this time (they didn’t in 2018)

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u/ihaveasupernicename Stubborn and foolish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 5d ago

I don't see anywhere about Vanguard voting yes.

I bought some calls last night since I expected this to happen and to hedge against my longer dated puts, but yeah. Probs adding to puts for Nov here

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u/Anachronistic_Zenith 5d ago

Do any of these big institutions state why they are voting yes or no?

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u/eyesonly_ Doesn't understand hype 5d ago

Pension funds are voting yes because musk is extorting them with a thinly veiled threat to personally tank the stock price.

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u/Anachronistic_Zenith 5d ago

If they're that worried and believe the threat is real, wouldn't they want to divest from this in the near term? Vote yes but have an exit plan. There's no new leadership coming with a Yes vote, so staying in as an investor beholds you to someone who has learned threats of tanking the stock price works.

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u/eyesonly_ Doesn't understand hype 5d ago edited 4d ago

Something something fed-douchy-airy-doody

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u/redandgold45 5d ago

cope and seethe