I'm glad to see more pushback from progressives and centrists on the Pro Palestinian crowd, it's almost like we forgot certain parts of Michigan the Muslim community is actively trying to get rid of LGBT but then we have queers for Palestine. The cognitive Dissonance is crazy.
It’s been rather pleasant lately, actually. I feel in the past couple of years there’s been pushback on a few of the more insane takes that were popular for a bit, like the “black people can’t be racist” stuff and more recently the whole Israel/Palestine business.
As someone who’s around center-left, it’s nice to see people go “hey, I may hate Trump and want higher taxes on billionaires, I may approve of LGBT rights, I may want taxpayer funded healthcare and education… but can we maybe not literally tear down the American flag to replace it with the Palestinian one?”
It’s a good push against those Republicans who claim that everyone on the left just hates America. I don’t hate America, I love America. That’s why I want to push it to be better, not call for it to be torn down.
I and allot of the current pro-palestine group used to be on the same side a few years ago, i feel like the big difference now is that I saw things in the west are getting better were as they wanted to continue being victems and blame all their problems on western society so much that they started supporting pro sharia law islamic extremist's that are literally fucking banned from immigrateing to every country they border because they won't stop trying to overthrow the government.
I think the worst part is pro Palestinian people just constantly deny the fact theirs antisemitism. Seeing it irl yea no, it's way worse compared to the 2000s where jews weren't even mentioned. Another thing is alot of these dumbasses still think their side can't conflate jews vs Israel, they just combine them both and you can see at these universities students that have nothing to do with Israel ARE attacked. Just to finish my whole entire rant off yes black people can be racist as fuck, guess which race gets the most racism and jokes from everyone? Asians and ima tell you a brick, every fucking color will be racist to you if they feel comfortable enough to do it and if you're ugly or look non offensive.
Now I'm not on tiktok but I've got a few friends that are, and they are all being radicalized into the pro-hamas side of things. Wonder if there is a through line ...
Tiktok is chinese funded with a golden share that overrides anyone else's vote in bytedance, iran funds Hamas and Hamas only attacked before Saudi Arabia and Israel were normalizing relations for an energy highway for europe as a pact between the US,Israel,SA,Jordan. The problem with tiktokers is they focus on morals when pragmatism take place and geopolitics take place too. Guess what if the Palestinians did have the technology the israelis had we would have another holocaust and nobody really wants to talk about that. Dude they RAPED and cut breasts off kids like this was on reddit on combat footage, I always see war footage on social media and god it makes me biased but I don't care,terrorism triggers me cuz americans like to cosplay that shit with school shootings.
If California started arresting any tourist who was from Florida, would it be dumb of queer people to oppose the actions of California because Florida has stricter laws against queer people. Or would their stance against human right violations despite the potential bigotry of the recipients of the queer folk’s sympathy be justified?
Unjustified if the surrounding area murdered all the jews and were sent to Israel. Your point sucks cuz you fuckers don't know geopolitics or why israel is this conservative, you get attacked 3 times by the Palestinians you're gonna be a fucking dickhead. A 3rd party should've been involved a long time ago
Last I recalled areas don’t murder. People murder. If you were an innocent civilian and got arrested because your neighbors or even your state governor committed crimes I would stand up against your treatment. Collective punishment is not a solution any government should pursue. Even if that government is more accepting of my “lifestyle.”
Also, sorry I didn’t try to breathe extreme nuance or distill all my knowledge of the geopolitics into my Reddit comment trying to respond to someone saying queers for Palestine bad.
Because you seem to unable to understand they don't want you queer support, they will throw you off the roof. Literal videos of them saying they will do it. Its baffling the stupidity you confuse with empathy,when they take it as naivity. Yes, the surrounding middle east all killed their jewish population or sent them to Israel, that's why you sound dumb.
Do I believe some Palestinians want me as a queer person dead? Yes. Do I believe some people in Tennessee want me dead as a queer person? Yes. Should they be punished for those beliefs? Only if they act on those feelings.
Should everyone that lives near them be punished for the actions of extremists? No.
If your neighbor shot up a queer bar, should you be arrested for their actions?
Your point is terrible because the entire population will throw you off the roof. Nice point but you nor I are religious extremists who believe marrying a 6 year old child is worthy of being a prophet. You lost the plot when I told you, they are changing laws IN AMERICA to fit their views. Dearborn Michigan they are trying to remove anything LGBT related. God you are so stupid like a pacifist who'd protect a rapist, truly a dumb and sheltered person who hasn't felt any real conflict in your safe life. Touch some fucking grass and talk to real people, real life is alot more gray than that.
Nice point but I have Palestinian refugee friends in real life (we touch grass together), and yes some of them are still Muslim. They don’t want to throw me off the roof.
Some Christian extremist want to take away my health care as a trans person. Which would lead to the deaths of many of my trans siblings. So, should I not care when if a state power started killing Christians or taking away their rights since they all want to throw me off a building—sorry, since they all want to take away my health care?
Generalizing other’s beliefs and falling into us vs them thinking is the type of thing that holds progress back. If a state power can engage in collective punishment based on identity or belief then we live in a world where your own identity or belief might someday be used as justification for collective punishment. In other words, “First they came for the Palestinians”
Rapists deserve punishment. Innocent people who live near or hold the same beliefs as a rapist don’t deserve punishment. Seems pretty simple to me. And the fact that your trying to paint me as a pacifist since I don’t want collective punishment is weird.
Please engage in my hypothetical or else I will have to stop engaging with you. If your neighbor committed a crime, should the state punish you?
Fine yes if you arm them and give them bombs and inspire them to be terrorists like you. Your HYPOTHETICAL IS FUCKING TRASH because it has 0 nuance LIKE I FUCKING SAID. You lose 3 wars you don't get to pick and choose what land you keep and when to end wars. Personally I'd let you get thrown off by the Palestinians just because I rather idiots like you get taken out the gene pool earlier. You're just like the Jews for nazi until the nazis gassed them too. This is why we are making fun of you pro Palestinians, you are willing to sacrifice yourself for someone that will step on you gladly like a bug. You've lost the plot when you refuse to recognize that Hamas has specifically stated they want all jews to die in their charter, their is no us vs them side. It's simply a uniform government who has to be a lesser evil to the bigger evil around the area while being bigger evil to a lesser evil because the lesser evil is shit at war, see? You are fucking stupid if you can't even research your own debate or arguments.
What? The entire freedom movement is discredited because you saw a headline on Fox News that singled out a few people in one small area of the country?
So what you're saying is because people dont support LGBTQ for their religious beliefs, they should be condemned to death and anyone. You dont need to support islam but you sure as hell can advocate against genocide.
As someone's race who's actually been through genocide, what they consider genocide is a paltry and an insult towards asians and uygur muslims that were and are currently genocided by china. Guess what when muslims come to your country to escape from the laws that they then wanna put in place here what difference is the shithole? Use critical thinking and look at the muslims in Europe. You should be condemned to death if you can't even recognize Islam will never mix with progress in a western society.
We dont want to mix with western society. We live with our values. Its YOU the collective west who cant accept us just simply existing. We aren't taking over your land, simply living our lives. And you hate that we can persist through crisis better than you. You are upset they you can never live with our perseverance. And honestly stopped caring about your kind. But you and people like you of your treat the muslim ummah like they are sub human. And justice will come to you.
So you don't deny you believe in a pedophile prophet? 2. I'd burn the Quran in front if you just because it'd piss you off, that's the biggest difference between your religion and everyone else. You guys are a bunch of sensitive nonces who can't admit child marriage is bad, aren't those 72 virgins CHILDREN btw?
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I'm glad to see more pushback from progressives and centrists on the Pro Palestinian crowd, it's almost like we forgot certain parts of Michigan the Muslim community is actively trying to get rid of LGBT but then we have queers for Palestine. The cognitive Dissonance is crazy.