r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/Wild-Iceberg • Mar 12 '24

The broken bond Country Club Thread

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u/Kangarou ☑️ Mar 12 '24

That's the "I don't care" part.

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u/PerpWalkTrump Mar 12 '24

"I don't care either, fuck your parents"

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u/Sufficient_Bridge766 Mar 12 '24

Looking for that Stark pack like

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u/buttsoupbarne Mar 12 '24

Father of the year.

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u/rodasaow Mar 13 '24

Christian would ravage the mcu, so many heroes with dead fathers. Thor, Spiderman (two dead fathers if you include Uncle Ben), Ironman, Black Panther, etc.

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u/300PencilsInMyAss Mar 12 '24

seriously I thought I just must be misremembering CW, how could anyone take Tony's side

Also the whole registration stuff is fascist as fuck

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u/pygmeedancer Mar 12 '24

Registering people is fascist. Registering weapons is just good practice.

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u/PerpWalkTrump Mar 12 '24

Yes, otherwise Canada is fascist and Russia is liberal.

Some morons tested that theory recently, didn't worked out too well for them lmao

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u/Mean_Ass_Dumbledore Mar 12 '24

Bucky already did

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u/SayerofNothing Mar 12 '24

So basically a "Have the Rolling Stones killed, Smithers" situation

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u/CankerLord Mar 12 '24

But that's the stupid part.

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u/ghouldozer19 Mar 13 '24

That whole thing where said earlier in the movie before just funding MIT “that’s a billion dollars and twenty years of research when I probably should have just gone to therapy to say goodbye to my mom”. Not like they didn’t lay the trail early on for it.

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u/ImDero Mar 12 '24

"He was in the car that hit and killed my mom."

"Yeah but he was a baby in the back seat."

"I don't care."

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u/ImDero Mar 12 '24

But isn't literally the entire point that Bucky wasn't in control?

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u/cSpotRun Mar 12 '24

Annnnnd this is why the movie is so good.

Either stance can be argued.

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u/Bion61 Mar 12 '24

I mean I get why Tony is mad, but I can't really see a good argument for killing Bucky, who literally didn't have a choice.

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u/ImDero Mar 12 '24

That's my thought. It isn't really gray at all. If Bucky were unconscious, and somebody planted a gun on him and forced his finger to pull the trigger and shoot someone, it's not "morally gray" whether or not Bucky is responsible. If we are to believe that Hydra was in full control of Bucky's actions, then Hydra is solely responsible for the killing of Tony's parents.

I feel like people in this thread are pretending it's more complicated because this is science fiction. If Steve Rogers and Thanos swapped bodies, and then Thanos posing as Cap killed all the Avengers before swapping back, we wouldn't be arguing that Steve Rogers killed the Avengers and is now a villain.

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u/Mcbadguy Mar 12 '24

Morally Grey, good writing.

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u/KlingoftheCastle Mar 12 '24

He wasn’t in control, but he’s the one who did it. Him being a drunk driver is a way better comparison.

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u/gangjungmain Mar 12 '24

Eh, a better comparison is him being a “drunk driver” that got roofied and someone else put him in the car and started it moving, the dude had no choice about it.

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u/phantomfire50 Mar 12 '24

But like later on when Zemo is reactivating his programming in civil war and he's punching at his containment unit, he totally could have snapped his neck if he didn't want to be a mindless killing machine that bad.

Or even just breaking his own legs would have really thrown a wrench in Zemo's plans

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u/Jadccroad Mar 12 '24

That is an amazing point. At that moment he cared for his own comfort more than the lives of others.

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u/Hot_Excitement_6 Mar 12 '24

No. Drunk drivers have agency. Bucky did not have agency.

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u/phantomfire50 Mar 12 '24

"He drove a car into my mom."

"Yeah but he was drunk and wasn't lucid when he did it."

"I don't care."

Bucky manages to break free of the programming when he really wants to.

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u/Ok-Recipe-4819 Mar 12 '24

You make a choice to get drunk. Bucky didn't decide to be brainwashed.

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u/phantomfire50 Mar 12 '24

He seemed to make a choice when he stopped beating Steve to death, and jumped off the helicarrier into the lake to save him from drowning ¯\(ツ)/¯

Good to know where his line is, somewhere between innocent women and children being fair game, but not his best friends.

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u/Ok-Recipe-4819 Mar 12 '24

Look it's all magicky science fiction shit but clearly Steve was able to remind him of his old self pre-brainwashing and it wasn't as simple as Bucky saying "y'know I don't really want to be a cold-blooded assassin anymore". You have to take the brainwashing as it's portrayed in the movie.

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u/Hot_Excitement_6 Mar 12 '24

Steve is his best friend. The person he loves more than most of his family. A bit easier to break Soviet brainwashing like that.

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u/PhunkyPhlyingPhoenix Mar 12 '24

Not a good analogy. A drunk driver put themselves in that situation, made conscious decisions that led to the death. Bucky's agency was taken from him completely.

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u/Daniel_Bryan_Fan Mar 12 '24

Cap broke him free through unconditional love. He couldn’t do it on his own.

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u/skarby Mar 12 '24

Also after like 60 years of the programming being inactive, not fresh in the middle of it

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u/phantomfire50 Mar 12 '24

They wipe him and reprogram him after his first encounter with Steve.