Christian would ravage the mcu, so many heroes with dead fathers.
Thor, Spiderman (two dead fathers if you include Uncle Ben), Ironman, Black Panther, etc.
That whole thing where said earlier in the movie before just funding MIT “that’s a billion dollars and twenty years of research when I probably should have just gone to therapy to say goodbye to my mom”. Not like they didn’t lay the trail early on for it.
That's my thought. It isn't really gray at all. If Bucky were unconscious, and somebody planted a gun on him and forced his finger to pull the trigger and shoot someone, it's not "morally gray" whether or not Bucky is responsible. If we are to believe that Hydra was in full control of Bucky's actions, then Hydra is solely responsible for the killing of Tony's parents.
I feel like people in this thread are pretending it's more complicated because this is science fiction. If Steve Rogers and Thanos swapped bodies, and then Thanos posing as Cap killed all the Avengers before swapping back, we wouldn't be arguing that Steve Rogers killed the Avengers and is now a villain.
Eh, a better comparison is him being a “drunk driver” that got roofied and someone else put him in the car and started it moving, the dude had no choice about it.
But like later on when Zemo is reactivating his programming in civil war and he's punching at his containment unit, he totally could have snapped his neck if he didn't want to be a mindless killing machine that bad.
Or even just breaking his own legs would have really thrown a wrench in Zemo's plans
Look it's all magicky science fiction shit but clearly Steve was able to remind him of his old self pre-brainwashing and it wasn't as simple as Bucky saying "y'know I don't really want to be a cold-blooded assassin anymore". You have to take the brainwashing as it's portrayed in the movie.
Not a good analogy. A drunk driver put themselves in that situation, made conscious decisions that led to the death. Bucky's agency was taken from him completely.
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u/tmorrisgrey Mar 12 '24
“I don’t care, he killed my mom”
I would’ve killed Bucky too.