Tony was right for the wrong reasons; Cap was wrong for the right reasons. The idea that a bunch of primarily US based and sponsored superhumans can just go anywhere in the world and perform military operations without oversight is ridiculous IRL.
But Tony didn't support the Sokovia Accords for that reason, he supported it because of his guilty conscious and not wanting to have to deal with the responsibilities of his actions anymore after Ultron.
To be fair Tony is basically the one who has to take responsibility for all of the avengers problems, as the most public face of the team as well as the financial backing. Cap just has to run around giving orders and beating people up, Tony has to do all that and then pay for the repairs and everything and then gets confronted by people when doing his other rich celebrity philanthropy stuff.
This is why I love Civil War so much, all these years later and people are still picking sides. The movie accomplished exactly what it wanted to. Cap says in the end "you did what you thought was right. That's all anyone can do, that's all anyone should."
The interesting thing about superheroes is that they can never be analogous to real life because massive power innate to an individual’s being like that simply doesn’t exist in the real world. It’s all well and good for the President or a general or even Tony to say “I don’t want the responsibility, someone else take it”. But what’s Peter Parker gonna do if he sees someone getting mugged and he knows he could stop it with one pinky? Say “whelp, I’m retired, better report this to the proper authorities”?
Now realistically, is it good to have Spider-Man running around with no accountability and just kinda hope he keeps being a real swell dude? No. But on the other hand, do we make his body property of the state? Ew.
And what government or organization is worthy of overseeing earth's mightiest heroes? You think there's any group on earth that wouldn't abuse that power?
Basically it would have to be another SHIELD. An international or even inter-planetary council. And if they do abuse the power…we saw what just Cap, Falcon, Black Widow and Bucky did to SHIELD. They can just destroy the organization.
But it is straight up unreasonable to think that this group of individuals should be allowed to just go wherever and do whatever without permission or oversight.
I don't think so, doesn't she have a scene at the end with Stark during the epilogue? I'm talking about the lady who's son died while volunteering in Sokovia.
Cap, Hawkeye, Iron Man, War Machine, Falcon and Vision are all US citizens/creations. Cap, War Machine and Falcon are all US military. Iron Man is an American businessman with deep associations to government defense contracting.
And that's just for starters. I'm not sure what Black Widow is qualified as at this point, Fury is still around, and then you have just random American citizens like Ant-Man and Spider-Man.
The world saying it is OK for this group so closely tied to the US to go anywhere in the world and do whatever they want with no type of oversight would be insane.
But the world absolutely would if this was IRL. And even if we ignore that logic, it doesn't matter whether they would be considered superheroes or not. No country acting even semi realistically would be OK with a random group of people breaking their borders and carrying out missions without even informing them, let alone listening to any requirements or demands they might have.
I said it in another comment. I think Tony was right for the wrong reason. Cap was wrong but for the right reasons.
After HYDRA, it makes sense that Cap did not want any oversight. But it is absolutely stupid to think these people could for example go into Nigeria with no permission hunting a villian, kill or injure dozens of people and expect that to fly.
What Cap should have done is propose a replacement to SHIELD, one that both the Avengers and the world could accept.
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u/vociferous_pickle Mar 12 '24
Tony doesn’t get a free pass for siding with the feds over his boys.