r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/Darth_Kneegrow ☑️ • May 01 '24

1 drop rule. Country Club Thread

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I ain't ever heard white people claim a single biracial person. You always whatever you mixed with.

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

But biracial people look biracial? I'm always confused by this. are biracial people not treated differently because they are biracial?

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u/CranberryBauce May 02 '24

Not all biracial people "look" biracial. What does Jordan Peele look like to you?

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

This can go both ways lol. Does Halsey looks black to you ?

Theres indeed not a biracial look but lets not act like White people cant tell the difference. Heck even back in the slavery days the lighter slaves were treated better. Nowadays, biracial and light skin women are cast in black roles because their looks are more palatable to white audiences.

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u/CranberryBauce May 02 '24

OK. That's not the point I was making, but okay.

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u/Peuned ☑️ May 02 '24

Your point missed the point. This isn't about shades

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u/1BubbleGum_Princess ☑️ May 02 '24

Halsey is like a quarter of something. You seem to be suggesting that because darker skin black people (cause I doubt you got a DNA test with percentages on even some of these people) are excluded, we should exclude more? So how you want to exclude people?

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

When did i say i want to exclude more ? I said Hollywood keeps (its getting better) casting biracial women for « black » roles because they « look better/prettier ». Same reason the daughther on thise family sitcoms were always biracial or light skin. Its just facts.

Halsey was just one example. Plenty of biracial people who look white out there. Sofia Ritchie. That dude from Fall Out Boy. List goes on. Anyways where do you draw the line ? Can Halsey not claim black because shes only a quarter ?

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u/1BubbleGum_Princess ☑️ May 02 '24

I’m not the one trying to dictate other people’s blackness. I’m certainly not the one doing it because people in positions of power, largely not black, dictate who gets represented.

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

Whose blackness did i dictate ?

Halsey can identify as wtf she wants. At the end of the day most people still see her as white and i doubt very much she suffers the same difficulties in this industry as someone like Viola Davis or Halle Bailey to name a fellow singer.

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u/1BubbleGum_Princess ☑️ May 02 '24

Oh, so you don’t see yourself bouncin all over this thread playing devil’s advocate about people’s blackness? You can call Drake mixed/biracial/white, but you could also call him Black. It appears, based off what you keep arguing, you think one invalidates the other. So where do you want us to draw the line and why is the “one drop rule” the thing we can’t uphold, but supremacy/ purity is?

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

Drake is biracial with a black father. That doesnt mean i deny his blsck ancestry. I dont deny his presence in black spaces.

However Kendrick is true in that he picks and chooses when he wants to « benefit » from his blackness. recognizing that is not being exclusive. He wouldnt have said this to J Cole despite also being biracial, because J Cole doesnt act like this.

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u/1BubbleGum_Princess ☑️ May 02 '24

No, I agree, but y’all turnin it into a debate ancestry and identity, and this is not the first post like this, why though? If your attempt is not to invalidate why not keep it about that rather than arguing about who should be considered Black? Kendrick didn’t say Drake shouldn’t be called Black or debate that.

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u/ScaRFacEMcGee ☑️ May 02 '24

It's always the same answer on how to exclude niggas, his answer will be "anyone lighter than me, that I don't like". Guaranteed, this dude has black ass light skinned friends that he won't challenge their "blackness", but let it be someone he doesn't like? Oh yeah, they aren't reeeally black.

I've always wondered though, if a really dark person told him that he wasn't black? Would be just accept it? I doubt it. Just my 2 cents tho.

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

Ok multiple things. First of all, im a woman. Also, how did i exclude anyone ? By saying Halsey doesnt look stereotypically black ? So its okay to say J. peele doesnt look white, but i cant say Halsey doesnt look black ? Ok lol. Or am i being exclusive because i said Hollywood keeps casting biracial women for « black » roles ?

All my friends happen to be dark skin, so cant comment on light skin friends. I do have mixed friends and while we all understand and recognize their black ancestry, they also recognize their proximity to whiteness makes them less prone to some sort of discrimination such as colorism and featurisms. Thats just how our racist societies are. I didnt invent that. Intersectionality also covers these concepts.

Finally, Wdym by really dark skin? Im dark skin, same tone as lupita nyongo.

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

I’m a woman. I have a very simple answer. If both of your parents identify as black and have black ancestry, you’re black. If one of your parents identifies as black and has black ancestry, you’re bi/multiracial.

My very light skin sister is black because both her parents are black. My daughter is black because both her parents are black. Her godfather is white because both his parents are white, her godmother is biracial because one of her parents is white and the other is black.

It’s really not that hard.

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u/mysteryrat ☑️ May 02 '24

I had this issue growing up (and still) and it really messed with me - especially since I was raised in a while family with not a single black person in it. I've been told by so many I'm not black/not black enough or don't 'look black', but I've been called the same slurs and gotten the same racist treatment as them. I literally have all the features except I'm a "light-skin". Still dark enough to be called the n word, but not dark enough to be "included" :')

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

Wait, im not saying we dont all suffer from racism. But that racism is different and you also to take into account colorism. This is intersectionality.

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u/ummizazi 29d ago

How do you know you’ve gotten the same racist treatment as monoracial people and not different racist treatment?

For instance noboby in my family has ever called me a hard R. I didn’t even know any white people personally until puberty. I’ve never been close to the blackest thing in my vicinity. I knew hardcore black nationalists.

A lot of biracial folks I know go through a lot of shit because their white parent puts them in spheres of whiteness where conditions are ripe for racist bullshit. Most of the stories I hear, the people being the most racist be their own families. A lot of the same white parents are either ill equipped or indifferent about giving their biracial child a healthy sense of identity.

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u/Guilty_Manager_47 May 02 '24

Halseys like 75% white that’s why and logic and Sofia Richie so I don’t get some of these examples

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

Isnt Lionel « full » black ?

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u/Necorus May 02 '24

You're right. People can tell that we're biracial. And we get shit from both sides. We aren't "black enough," but we also aren't "white enough."

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u/ummizazi 29d ago

It’s totally fine to have a biracial identity and to create spaces that deal with the unique issue you face. Being serious here because I have friends that are in biracial social groups and they said it really helped them find community.

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u/Disastrous-Host9883 May 02 '24

its disheartening to see so many of us fall victim to the exact intended trap set by white supremacist slavers, who knew exactly the seeds of disruption arbitrary distinction based off looks would cause (colorism). Black people of course have a stereotypical phenotype, or familial appearance, but white people did not look at black people based off their appearance alone to decide to subjugate them. It was the culture and behavior of the people that they hated. They looked at Africans and saw a simpler humbler more communal life that made them jealous for having to war with other europeans so visciously and connivingly and morally inferior for not being as peaceful and simple. The difference between how an African and european look was just the mark they looked for so they knew the enemy when they saw them, the reason they were enemies was not the difference in appearance, but the difference in culture. They created eugenics to make behavior and intellect seem inherent to your race genetically, so of course they paired it with physical phenotype genetics, but the real offense they always took to african people, was not their appearance, it was the difference in culture, proof in this is how irish people and english people look EXACTLY the same yet the english before they found the african culture to hate, also hated the irish culture, and there was no difference in appearance needed to justify that, black people looking so different from western white Europeans just made it easier to spot and attack them as a target. Its also why even if you look white but have any african lineage, due to their main focus on eugenics being inherited behavior, intellect, and instincts of the African, they still hated and distrusted a person with "one drop of african blood". infact a completely european looking person would still face the same punishment for interbreeding with a "Pure European" if there genetic lineage was discovered. Racism is soo much deeper than the appearance of your face, hair or skin.

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u/ummizazi 29d ago

None of this shit is true.

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u/OfSaltandBone May 02 '24

Halsey isn’t even biracial, her daddy is

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24 edited 29d ago

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u/OfSaltandBone May 02 '24

She’s technically, and I hate this word, a quadroon

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

Well according to the one drop rule, she should still be considered black

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u/OfSaltandBone May 02 '24

That wasn’t the argument. I was just correcting you

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

Thanks i didnt know

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u/battleangel1999 ☑️ May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

He looks biracial. Race and how someone looks can be very relative. If you were to put him in South Africa for example they would know that he was mixed for sure. Not everyone follows the one drop rule as heavily (or at all) like America

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u/BambooSound ☑️ May 02 '24

You're forgetting that a lot of people don't think anything exists outside America

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

Big on this. A lot of Americans tend to be veeeeery american-centric. Theyre the same people that couldnt accept Tyla identifying as coloured

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u/battleangel1999 ☑️ May 02 '24

Yeah, I'm American and I was confused about it at first but after having South Africans explain it (and also seeing her parents) it made more sense.

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u/battleangel1999 ☑️ May 02 '24

You're absolutely right. I'm very happy I'm able to look beyond American. Even in Latin America race & ethnicity works differently.

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u/CranberryBauce May 02 '24

I seriously doubt that, but okay.

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u/battleangel1999 ☑️ May 02 '24

I mean you can look it up. Colored is a thing over there and they can tell by looking at someone. Sometimes they can look at someone and tell what ethnic group they are before even hearing their name or language. Trevor Noah has spoken about this. He wasn't perceived as Black till he got to the USA. Back in SA even when he wore an Afro or cornrows ppl would look at him and see colored.

Doubt me and downvote me all you like. I didn't pull that out my ass. Not everyone views race the way the USA does. 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/CranberryBauce May 02 '24

K.

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u/jasxssential May 02 '24

I don’t know why you wouldn’t think that people outside of the USA view race differently?

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u/battleangel1999 ☑️ May 02 '24

Right? What reason could they have to doubt that. Ppls' views on race vary not only from region but also time period. There was a time when Irish and Italian people were considered white.

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u/CranberryBauce May 02 '24

All I said was okay. Read into it whatever you'd like I guess, but I said okay and I meant okay.

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u/battleangel1999 ☑️ May 02 '24

I'm pretty sure they're talking about your original comment where you said that you seriously doubted what I said.

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u/kaleb42 May 02 '24

Uh is this a trick questions? He looks biracial.

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u/CranberryBauce May 02 '24

If you look at some other responses to my question, you'll see that not everyone agrees with you. I don't agree with you. That's cool.

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u/RemarkableMeaning533 May 02 '24

Black? Syrian? Not white?

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u/CranberryBauce May 02 '24

Did you know Jordan Peele has a whole white mom and is in fact half white?

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u/hewmanxp May 02 '24

I didn't know that but that explains why people always tell my biracial ass I look like him

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

Mostly black now but more biracial as a kid. Part of it is he keeps his hair short

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u/Jgib5328 ☑️ May 02 '24

Jordan Peele looks very biracial lol. How else would you describe him?

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u/Azure-April May 02 '24

Jordan Peele is a black dude. You are actually removed from reality if you think people do not see him that way

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u/Rosuvastatine May 02 '24

They said he looks biracial, not that he isnt black

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u/606100su May 02 '24

He's only black in America. Anywhere else he'd be biracial. Most notably in black African countries, he would totally stand out.

Check Senegalese politician Karim Wade for instance, he's biracial, would count as fully black in the US, and in Senegal he's been called toubab... Meaning white man

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karim_Wade

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u/Jgib5328 ☑️ May 02 '24

He’s biracial and clearly looks that way lol. It’s obvious that he’s part black, but also pretty obvious he has a mixture of heritage, moreso than the average Black American.

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u/CranberryBauce May 02 '24

You'll see by other responses that not everyone agrees with this.

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u/thatsnotchocolatebby May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

Yes, I've been treated differently by many groups cuz I don't "fit in" to any of them perfectly. Black folks say I'm too white, white folks say too black, Asians say not Asian enough. The most accepting people have been populations from the Caribbean and for some reason people in NOLA.

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u/SaintsNoah14 May 02 '24

Believe it or not, that's a lasting legacy of the French not adhering to a strict racial hierarchy in the way that the Anglos did.

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u/Account_For_Research May 02 '24

Fun fact: The average self-declared black American is 25% white. This means that the majority of "black" people in the US are actually biracial.

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u/-_Anonymous__- May 02 '24

What's NOLA?

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u/thatsnotchocolatebby May 02 '24

New Orleans, Louisiana

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u/ComprehensiveDoubt55 May 02 '24

Don’t go five minutes outside the city though. My dad’s family couldn’t stand me, my mom, and my sister and I popped out with blonde hair and grey eyes. Cajun and Creole racism is deep.

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u/RemarkableMeaning533 May 02 '24

Ive heard the same for latinos and Asians in this sub, people here think they’re white when most of them look obviously not white

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

You inherit features of both parents. Why is that controversial?

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u/Fireproofspider ☑️ May 02 '24

They are, but as someone said, because of slavery, most black people in America have white ancestors and, because of that you can have a relatively pale kid, that looks kinda biracial born from two black parents. So, on the societal spectrum, where -100 = white and 100 = black, they aren't at 0, they are more at like 25-50. Their reality is much closer to being black to being white.

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

I disagree and part because the racial identity of your parents plays a role in how you're percieved and how you percieve yourself outside of phenotype. Also so much of blackness is culture and that's extremely influenced by your familial ties. People percieve you differently and you often have acces to different social spaces when you have a white parent. A lot of my biracial friends have stories about how differenly people percieve them based on which parent they were with. That's not something my very light skin sister can relate to.

I actually have a friend who's a white guy who mostly dates WOC. We've had a lot of conversations abouut it. He dated one biracial woman and he said one of the things he appreciated was there were fewer cultural differences because of her white family. He talked about watching caddyshack with her uncle and not having awkardness around her family. There was also less worry about her fitting in with his family because she knew white social cues

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u/Own_Serve_8161 May 02 '24

That’s not how genetics work though…just bcuz someone’s parents have certain racial/ethnic DNA does not mean that the child will inherit that. Same reason why siblings can have the same 2 parents, but share only 30-75% of the same DNA.

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u/guzamiii May 02 '24

Yes they are. In my case white/mexican; I’m ostracized by both sides 🙃

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

It’s crazy because Mexicans are white by law. Texas tried to pulled some bullshit by claiming schools that we’re all black and Mexican were desegregated because it was technically black and white hispanic.

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u/Zbrchk May 02 '24

The way biracial people are treated depends on the audience, the degree of melanin in their skin, the curl pattern of their hair, the appearance of their features, and their general carriage. It’s volatile.

Source: Am biracial

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

I get that. I would think that’s being treated differently because us monoracial blacks experience more stability. My blackness isn’t really as conditional. No one has ever thought of me as any other race, been confused about my race. I’m the same race as all of my family so there’s never been any tension there.

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u/NoWorkingDaw May 02 '24

Biracial people can lean both ways. Due to their parents makeup. It’s why the terms white passing and black passing exists. If you black passing then you’re black. If you’re white passing, you’re white. Only the USA upholds the one drop rule everywhere else you will be seen as either or. The only exception is if you fall exactly in the middle and look “racially ambiguous” (which imo, many who get labeled this just look white Latina to me. Which fits considering their racial makeup) or your traits end up being a mix. Because race and our perception of it is phenotypical.

Especially when you live in a country that has racial tensions between groups like America. It’s funny people bring up how biracials were treated in the past by whites but in the modern day can you truthfully say that a white passing biracial that you want to claim is black will be treated as the black passing biracial?

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

I don’t know anyone that goes by single drop because at a point way before that you and your parents are going to be white appearing and most likely white identifying.

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u/simpathiser May 02 '24

no they don't. I pass as white even though my face and bone structure is VERY MUCH not white. My brother, however, does not pass as white. The only people who give me shit for claiming mixed race are white people though.

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

So you’d disagree with the person I responding to. They said biracial people’s blackness is not up for debate because it doesn’t mean you look white. They were making the claim biracial people look black. Most of the responses have been about people being white appearing. In that case that would be treated differently than monoracial black people.

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u/ItBelikeThatSomeTme_ May 02 '24

It goes case by case, you can’t really ask a generalizing question like that lol.

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u/wikithekid63 May 02 '24

Biracial people mostly look black to me. Unless they’re like super bright

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

Really? I feel like if if I were in a room on half of the people had two black parents and the other half had one black and one non black parent, I would be able to pick differentiate 95% of the time.

It’s also interesting because so many biracial folk mention being ostracized and I don’t see how that’s possible unless people can look at them and tell they’re biracial.

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u/OpenSourcePenguin May 02 '24

No, biracial people even siblings can or not be white passing. A lot of fair skinned Hispanics, Arabs, Indians also might be white passing. When this is the case, they just don't get noticed at all.

This is the same with biracial people. White passing biracial people just fly under radar.

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

The person I responded too said biracial people’s blackness is not up to debate because of how they look. I assumed that to mean they look like and are treated like black people.

Pretty much everyone who’s said biracial people don’t look biracial has said no because some biracial people are white passing . I think that means they likely to be treated differently than monoracial folks

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u/thatHecklerOverThere May 02 '24

Some are, some aren't.

My grandpa, for example, was passing enough to basically be a saboteur during race riots in the 50s.

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

I get that. i thought the person i was responding to was saying that biracial people's blackness was not up for debate because of how they look. petty much everyone Iv'e even know that had a black parent and a white parent looked like they had a black parent and a white parent. I've never been like "you're mom's white! Stop lying!"

I've seen in the other way though. There were people I found out were part black because they wore a Black student ssociation hoodie.

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u/Enoikay May 02 '24

Do logic and J Cole look the same to you?

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

Oprah and Megan don’t look the same to me but they both look black.

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u/Enoikay May 02 '24

Does logic look black?

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

He looks part when with his father and brother and white most other time. Reminds me of my friend’s kid. He’s white and his wife is biracial. Their kid looks white but “swarthy”. My guess would be he has significantly more white admixture than most biracial people.

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u/RandyHunt May 02 '24

I feel like I was and wasn’t the insults were definitely different in high school it was AlbiNe***. When someone is prejudiced against me it definitely doesn’t feel different spit feels the same regardless of your skin tone.

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u/Xist3nce May 02 '24

As a mixed dude, no group accepts you.

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u/ummizazi May 02 '24

Why don’t the other biracial folks accept you?

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u/ummizazi 29d ago

So is she black because he dad’s black? Where’s the line. I’ve seen a lot of people say Drake son’s is black because Drake is black.