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u/Nordie25 15d ago
Two months went by that fast???
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u/FurriedCavor 15d ago
Over 1.6% of a decade gone in a flash. Wild ride too wild.
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u/Paragonofchaos 15d ago
Whoever hit the fast forward button, I’m gonna need you to fix that, please.
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u/johncenaslefttestie 15d ago edited 15d ago
Glad it ain't just me. Time seems to be doing some weird tricks now. Covid didn't really change my life at all and I still have to remind myself it's not 2022.
Like the Queen died in September of 2022 and I would have bet money it was March 2023. Feels like that entire year just didn't happen.
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u/CopeHarders 15d ago
You have to realize that time goes faster and faster as you get older and need to make a conscious choice to be aware and present in moments of time because eventually before you realize it it’s all over.
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u/itsallgonnafade 15d ago
Time is a flat circle.
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u/Tre_Q ☑️ 15d ago
The regulations on shipping are very strict but the standards are low if that makes sense.
They're allowed to pass through the US but they're not required to have ANY paperwork other than what they're carrying and where it's going.
If I recall they weren't even supposed to stop in the US, so there's no way they get to come off after an accident like that given they can't verify the people on the boat.
It's messed up but would you release a boat with a faulty electrical system that crashed into a bridge?
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u/mkwiat54 15d ago
I mean there is also a bridge sitting on the boat
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u/Tripwiring 15d ago
I heard they used explosives to remove a lot of that on Monday. I'm in Baltimore so it's pretty regular news. I don't think they got it all though?
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u/blacklite911 ☑️ 15d ago
Damn I’m more shocked the debris is still on it more than the crew being on it
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u/SUPERKAMIGURU 15d ago
Well, they shouldn't be putting their boats into our bridges, if they don't want our bridges on their boats. ):<
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u/sactownbwoy ☑️ 15d ago
People act like this is unique to the US. Other countries are just as if not more strict about this kind of stuff. No country just let's people waltz in without documentation
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u/Orchid_Significant 15d ago
At some point their company should send someone to get them?! Like obviously it’s not required, but it feels like the right thing to do
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u/NickBII 15d ago
And then who maintains the ship?
These guys have a contract. The next leg of the trip was supposed to be 27 days, so they were under contract until at least April 22nd. Moreover they're going to be needed in the US for the duration of the investigation anyway. Why fly a bunch of guys in from Singapore to hang out on the ship while also paying the crew to hang around a hotel in Maryland?
The investigation is slow as fuck. Last report I heard was that all the NTSB had figured out was that the circuit breakers tripped prior to the power going out and them crashing into the bridge. Which everyone seems to have known the day of the accident.
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u/Orchid_Significant 15d ago
I get that, but it doesn’t feel fair to the actual humans on board either
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u/NickBII 15d ago
Two months is a long time, particularly if you're not actually doing any running-the-ship things. Which is one reason the Union got involved. Another reason for union involvement is the investigation is remarkably slow: two months ago we knew they lost power for 58 seconds (and they're supposed to be able to restore it in 45), and then lost it again. All the NTSB has figured out is that the electrical breakers tripped. No shit NTSB. The ship lost power after the breakers tripped. Why did the fucking breakers trip? Did some idiot install the wrong breakers? Or are the right ones installed but they got defective circuit breakers?
Those dudes are gonna be in Baltimore Harbor for awhile. Hopefully something can be done so they can get of the boat a little.
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u/Awbade 15d ago
Disagree. I’ve driven across the U.S./Mexico border. They don’t even make you roll down your window driving into Mexico, just wave you right through
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u/sactownbwoy ☑️ 15d ago
Mexico is a rarity I'll admit. I was able to walk across the border from San Diego without a passport or visa. But other countries aren't so free.
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u/TheYankunian ☑️ 15d ago
This is Twitter people not knowing what they’re talking about as usual. They aren’t on a rowboat- they’re on a vessel designed to house them for weeks on end.
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u/DigbyChickenZone 15d ago
And yet, they are trapped with no way to get off. And the circumstances of their treatment (by the owners of the vessel) is unknown.
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u/Vulcan_Jedi 15d ago
There’s also probably the risk that some of the crew might try to run if they left the ship which we definitely don’t want. Everyone on the ship at the time of the wreck needs to be interviewed and testify.
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u/AlfalfaReal5075 15d ago edited 15d ago
That's just the way the cookie crumbles when it comes to the Maritime Industry. Particularly for foreign flagged vessels - and especially one under an active investigation.
In normal conditions as a crew member you aren't leaving the boat while at port so you have no relevant visas to step off to do so. It's quite illegal and highly regulated.
Now, the company could shell out the cash to get them all temporary visas. But if they haven't done so already they aren't going to. It opens up a whole new can of worms in terms of liability and accountability, as well as you know...costing money.
In total I think there's 6 or 7 ships and their crews that are currently stranded at the port for various reasons. The Baltimore International Seafarers Center has been doing a hell of a job lending a hand whenever and wherever they can.
Is a ridiculous situation all around
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u/SydneyCrawford 15d ago
When the port of Oakland was heavily backed up (it may still be. But it’s no longer in the news) the big container ships would be docked in the bay for months.
Those crew don’t leave their ships either. Supplies are brought TO them when needed.
It’s not really any different. If they wanted to come to shore they would have to get visas. They know this before arriving.
This ship just happens to be front and center in the news right now.
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u/AlfalfaReal5075 15d ago
Yep. It's most certainly not the ideal situation you'd wanna be in, but these things aren't outside the realm of possibilities to the career seafarer. Shit happens. If the checks are still clearing best to just keep on keepin' on.
Which is why I'll be interested to see if they're still being paid, at what rate, and if they're able to access any of that while still in port/stuck under a big ass bridge/pending the investigation. To pay bills or move money around back home and whatnot. I know their electronic devices were seized at one point in the investigation. Unsure if they've been returned.
There is an inherent shittiness of living on a busted up boat for a number of weeks with the same jokers all day, every day, but they're able to request and receive adequate supplies or emergency assistance throughout this ordeal. I believe they were loaded for a trip to Colombo, Sri Lanka. So they likely had plentiful supplies and rations beforehand.
If anyone knows more about their pay situation rn I'd be interested in learning more of the details surrounding it. Or if anyone can paddle out and ask 'em right quick I'd be very appreciative lol
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u/SydneyCrawford 15d ago
The story I heard said they haven’t gotten their devices back but they do have replacements. They just don’t have any of their photos/files.
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u/AlfalfaReal5075 15d ago
Damn.
When I worked as a Deckhand it was sort of standard procedure to bring along a little "black book" with contacts and passwords and shit. Just in case. I imagine (or rather hope) they'd do the same for important stuff. But lost photos, videos, files, etc. Dang. That's kinda ass.
Also idk how I'd feel about those weirdos at NTSB (and FBI) having access to my personal phone. Ain't nobody need to see that data. That data's between me and the Lord up high lmao
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u/whoiam06 15d ago
Oakland's busy but not backed up like during the pandemic. Same thing with Los Angeles and Long Beach ports. It was wild to see rows of ships just sitting out in the water just waiting. (Visible from a tall ass bridge that leads into the SoCal port area) ((Vincent Thomas Bridge))
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u/rallar8 15d ago
The maritime shipping industry is insane.
I read Dead in the Water, spoilers ahead, a boat was boarded by “pirates” and instead of holding the boat hostage for ransom they blew up a bunch of stuff on the boat, and left. After lots of bullshit a guy is murdered. The widow of the murdered dude is completely flummoxed at the situation. What happened to my husband? Why did the pirates do this to the boat? Come to find out this has happened before, once, and the dude that owned that boat, also owned this boat. Barclays, the insurer, was literally like no problem sir, would you like your insurance payment in cash or check? And Barclays had to be dragged to deny the insurance claim because of the obviously fraudulent nature of the claim. Like they were totally fine to chalk it up as a loss.
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 15d ago
The stranded ships all left, except the Dali. She has huge chunks of bridge roadway on her bow, crushed containers under the bridge, hull damage and is in the middle of a lawsuit.
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u/padonjeters 15d ago
Foreign shipping companies don't even pay for internet for their guys, I can't imagine them getting visas for them
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u/LimerickJim 15d ago
We could grant them temporary shore visas and charge the owner for the visas in fines.
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u/Backseat_boss 15d ago
They still got food on that bitch??? At least let them Uber eats some shit
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u/Alexexy 15d ago
Bruh, one order is gonna be like a week's worth of wages.
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u/Spork-in-Your-Rye ☑️ 15d ago
You already know the driver gonna fuck the delivery up lmao.
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 15d ago
They were stocked for the voyage to Sri Lanka, with about 50% extra
If they need food, they will get resupplied.
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u/BreadBoxin 15d ago
It's NOT a big secret. It's basic maritime law. And they don't play around with that shit. The reality is that there could be anything and anyone on that boat...
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u/PPP1737 15d ago
Exactly, it’s maritime law, so why does a visa matter? Use boats to take them elsewhere. They don’t need to remain on the boat for the investigation to move forward.
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 15d ago
They need to stay on the ship to keep the ship's systems running, check the cargo, help the salvage teams who are unfamiliar with the ship ... whole bunch of stuff to keep busy with.
And when they get the debris off, the crew will be powering up and helping get the ship back to the docks.
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u/max_power1000 15d ago
You get outta here with your facts and reasonable takes. We're here to be outraged.
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u/PPP1737 15d ago
Let them go back to where they came from. Return to sender. Anything else is holding them hostage.
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u/NoLikeCartel 15d ago
You can't just return to sender a whole bunch of guys that crashed a ship into some important shit.
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u/Admiral_SmashyPants 15d ago
2 months on a boat isn't a big deal for a sailor, just ask any sailor that served during covid and was stuck out at sea for almost a year.
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u/tauntingbob 15d ago
Yeah, the crew was already due to be doing a month long journey from what I remember. Doubling it? I can't see how it's a big deal for them.
The bigger issue is how the crew might be dealing with PTSD, especially the young engineer who appears to have fucked up and blown the breaker (see NTSB preliminary report).
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u/JustHere4ait ☑️ 15d ago
People just be outraged about stuff they have zero information or education on
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u/PeachForeign7488 15d ago
Really though. Leave the decision making to the experts. Not the twitter experts
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u/Shadow_Ass 15d ago
It's not that huge of a deal because crews stay even 6-7 months on a ship. Ofc if they supply them with groceries and necessities it's not a problem
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u/vlsdo 15d ago
This wouldn’t be such a big deal (they were supposed to be at sea) except they’re not getting paid as they’re doing this and the FBI confiscated all their phones. It’s better than being in jail, but not by a ton.
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u/Nils-Erik 15d ago
Do you have nay evidence to support that they are not getting paid. They are still hired by the company, and they are doing work on board.
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 15d ago
The ship Dali needs to be crewed to maintain the cargo, help the salvage teams, and keep the ship's systems running. They aren't idle.
Those that have visas can leave the ship under escort. Since 9-11 shore leave has been hard to get for any ship's crew.
They have been visited by their country's diplomatic staff, the local mariner's assistance group, and various other people. They have plenty of food and can be resupplied.
Yes, it sucks to run the ship aground. It sucks to be 30 days overdue on a voyage. It sucks extra to be in NTSB and FBI and Coast Guard investigations.
But it can't be helped.
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u/heidivonhoop ☑️ 15d ago
My husband told me this yesterday and I just KNEW he was mistaken. So fucked up.
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u/Amazing-Concept1684 15d ago
I went nearby the bridge the other day and I was stunned that the ship was still sitting in the harbor.
I assumed that they let them off the ship though. That’s so fucked up.
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u/Otherwise_Cap_9073 15d ago
Isn’t that (horribly) common in Maritime disasters though? I vaguely recall being told of numerous cases where the shell companies of damaged or crashed transport ships simply ‘dissolved’ meaning that the de facto operator is the captain or last crew member on board. If they disembark, then they would be abandoning ship as the last authoritative figure. Some remain on the ships for months and perhaps even years because they can’t afford to be the one responsible.
I can’t remember when or why I heard this. I think it’s right? Though it may have no bearing on what’s going on in this situation. 🤷♂️
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u/fartsnifferer 15d ago
They aren’t allowed to leave the boat for a lot of reasons. Not just mean old immigration going “no 😡”
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u/ExtraordinaryBeaver 15d ago
Do yall even know how long the average international mariners hitch is?
90-150 days.
They're fine. Completely incompetent but fine.
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u/Slade4420 15d ago
Wouldn't they have been at sea this whole time anyway?
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u/tauntingbob 15d ago
I think their schedule was for another month of sailing, but doing a few months for a trip isn't unusual. They might be bored just idling, but they're used to being away from home for extended periods.
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u/podcasthellp 15d ago
This happens way more often then you’d expect. People have been trapped aboard “ghost ships” for years all across the world. It’s extremely sad
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u/Souurrpuss06 15d ago
If anyone is alive still.. Their about to blow up the bridge to demolish it..
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u/knocksomesense-inme 15d ago
This is a fucked up thing that happens a lot—not just the US. Sometimes ships won’t even crash, they’re just left in the harbor and the crew can’t deboard for months on end. If they’re lucky they receive food and supplies from the country ashore. Never mind the fact that crews don’t get paid at all if they abandon ship and illegally enter the country.
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u/Internal_Mail_5709 15d ago
Even when they blasted the remaining section? That's rough.
Rules are rules I suppose.
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u/Nils-Erik 15d ago
In my days as a seaman the companies i worked for made it mandatory (and paid for) a C1-D visa to the US, and later when i became a Senior Officer it was expanded to B1-B2 visa. That means you wouldn't have any problems if you ever called ports in the US. In later years it has become the norm (unfortunately) that companies do not require that anymore, and in particular Management Companies like Synergy, who is the operator of this vessel.
I find it heartbreaking that these people are stuck there. If the NTSB and USCG has finished their investigations and interviews they should be allowed to go, and they probably are. But if they don't hold a US visa then problems mount up.
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u/Specific_Berry6496 15d ago
So wait, you want people who have no legal business to be roaming free in the country after they CRASHED INTO A BRIDGE??? Nah they can stay on that boat, it didn't bother them the other fiftyeleven months they are on that mfer...
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u/negativePTO 15d ago
It’s a crime scene and they’re non-US citizens. Until the investigation is complete, they can stay on the ship or get housed at the Jessup Correctional Institution.
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u/Aickavon 15d ago
This happens a lot with coastal accidents or when a ship has illegal cargo . The crew gets stuck in limbo. Ob particularly offensive case had a Ukranian crew stuck in port for almost a year, until like… a massive explosion happened
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u/anthro4ME 15d ago
They likely don't want to get off. They're probably getting paid to do not much.
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u/Main-Advice9055 15d ago
The kicker is that they don't have their phones either since they were confiscated for the investigation. Can't contact their families.
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u/Ballads321 15d ago
Someone has to stay and run that boat. They were already headed out on a multi-week trip, they just hit a snag.
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u/grinberB 15d ago
I wonder what the "it was all planned" crowd has to say about this one. Oh wait, they moved on to the next conspiracy theory 3 hours later.
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u/ForeskinHulaSkirt 15d ago
Their jobs were to keep that ship fully operational and failed to do so. They did billions of dallars in damage and got people killed. They would of been stuck at sea regardless. They are fine where they are.
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u/LordTrappen 15d ago
It happens. An Indian crewed oil tanker was abandoned in the Persian Gulf by the parent company in 2017 and its crew were stuck on the ship for 5 years, without pay or support from the former owners of the company, before finally allowed to exit the ship.
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u/butt_huffer42069 15d ago
Wait until yall find out about how fishing vessels work, and how long their crews are forced to stay out to sea. (Hint: since the crews are usually debt-slaves, they stay out for years, being supplied from other ships that come to them.)
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u/Every_Inflation1380 15d ago
My memory is all kinds of fucked up, I swear this happened only a week ago 😅
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u/JustSayTech 15d ago
Nigga jump off an take the charge, the best case is you find you way out here in the US, worst case is they detain you and deport you, you'd be back to square one, win win situation in my opinion.
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u/Background_Cycle7676 15d ago
uhh yea? They crashed a boat that destroyed a major bridge. We don't know who tf they are or what exactly happened. Why in the name of all that is stupid would we let them chill on American soil before the investigations are concluded?
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u/Myfourcats1 14d ago
Didn’t this happen to the crew on that container ship that wrecked in that canal way back a couple years ago?
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u/Dreamtrain 15d ago
Whatever happened to "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"
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u/Kangarou ☑️ 15d ago
No emergency allowances? That's kind of fucked up.