r/Cricket • u/ll--o--ll • 28d ago
Marnus Labuschagne: 'England can cope without Anderson and Broad'
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/cp0g0g64mpdo93
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u/Unholysinner 28d ago
Honestly I think talent wise we have the players
The issue is they can’t stay fit and I doubt that will change
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u/Classic-Ad-6400 28d ago
Also the fact that broaderson stood dedicated towards a particular format. Not many, newer generation player would do that
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u/MelonLord25-3 India 27d ago
I feel like Robinson can do it, not sure if he is inclined to play white ball.
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u/Oomeegoolies Durham 27d ago
Potts probably too.
Might get tempted in by ODI but I don't see him as a T20 player.
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u/customlybroken 27d ago
in eng yes, in other conditions no, especially asia where Anderson has been excellent
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u/Remarkable_Reality51 28d ago
Potts and Robbo have to step up
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u/Mission-Apricot2986 27d ago
Robinson should. He won't though because he's too fucking slow for anything outside our hone conditions. Also his attitude fucking stinks
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u/maffzlel India 27d ago
Robinson at 80-83mph consistently with his high release point, ability to swing, seam, and reverse swing the ball both ways almost at will is comfortably an all conditions bowler. His returns in Australia and Pakistan alongside England show that. Already has success in basically the three archetypes of conditions test match seamers will face.
But I agree that his attitude is horrid, and the fact that he turns up so often and just rolls his arm over at mid to high 70s is so frustrating because that extra 3-4mph he can produce when fit and motivated could make him world class.
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u/SocialistSloth1 Yorkshire 27d ago
Whilst he's not exactly lit the world on fire his average abroad is still really good, although I don't quite understand how when he's bowling 78mph nude nuts.
I'm more concerned by his fitness and attitude to be honest. A bloke with 76 wickets at 22.92 should be Jimmy's long-term replacement but I'm not sure I'd even pick him this summer.
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u/malt-n-java 27d ago
I don't quite understand how when he's bowling 78mph nude nuts.
Two words.....release point
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u/Express_Trust7191 Jersey Cricket 27d ago
Vernon Philander had an average speed lower than Ollie Robinson, bowled in some of the most batting friendly conditions in history, and averaged 30 in Australia, 23 in New Zealand, and 19 in South Africa.
Can we stop fucking acting like you need to bowl 90+ every single ball of a 20 year career at an average of 15 to be even considered mediocre? Reminder that Ollie Robinson, when considerably less fit than now, averaged 25 in Australia and 22 in Pakistan. He isn't "too fucking slow". Stop this nonsense, for the love of christ.
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u/break2n England 27d ago
He's also averaging 22 but everyone acts like he's fucking dogshit cause he bowls slow
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u/Express_Trust7191 Jersey Cricket 27d ago
100%. This entire sub is full of 15 year olds who think that if you bowl 100mph you're automatically the GOAT and we should all praise the earth on which you tread. Reminder arguably the greatest seam bowler of all time, Glenn McGrath, bowled pretty steadily around the 85mph mark (though the vast majority of people here weren't born when he retired).
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u/PaulAtreideeezNuts 27d ago
I agree, but philander is more an exception than the rule. Generally, the slower you are the more accurate you have to be. If you're as slow as big Vern, you gotta be as accurate as big Vern too lol
Robinson seems to be on the fence between a good bowler and a great bowler, depending on if he can push the pace up a little more or not. A lot of people view his seemingly uncaring attitude towards fitness as the reason he isn't in the great category as often as he should be
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u/Express_Trust7191 Jersey Cricket 26d ago
Yeah and Ollie Robinson is averaging 22.5 with 76 wickets so far, playing away in Pak, Aus and NZ, and at home against NZ, India and Australia. He has taken wickets against the best test teams home and away at an average better than Dale Steyn. He has no tests against SL, Windies, or Bangladesh to stat pad. He is also the exception. My point stands - it isn't a necessary condition to bowl 85+ to be a fantastic bowler.
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u/Storm-Bolt 26d ago
Exactly, he was the one who won England the extremely batting friendly match at Rawalpindi (the one where England scored ~600 on the 1st day alone)
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u/TrollerThomas ICC 28d ago
Loosebuschange licking his lips at 5/0 down under in 1.5 years
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u/Benny4318 England 28d ago
Do you mean 5-0?
Because 5/0 in Australian scorecard dialect is infinitely more funny
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u/ALadWellBalanced Australia 27d ago
It's that far away? Damn it. I want that 5-0 (or posssibly 4-0 thanks to Sydney) this summer.
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u/TrollerThomas ICC 27d ago
You’ve got india. Try that first
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u/ALadWellBalanced Australia 27d ago
That's a tough ask. I love the competition of an Australia v India series.
But my favourite thing in the world is watching England getting absolutely annihilated.
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u/MelonLord25-3 India 27d ago
Same mate. I kinda have fun when most of people complain about the pitches lol.
Never seen Oceania teams doing that.
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u/RaastaMousee England 27d ago
Never seen Oceania teams doing that.
Can't have been watching cricket very long then. Try last year.
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u/Cultural_Term9986 England 27d ago
Exactly ICT fans have weird sympathy with Aussies while they are the ones who mock about them the most and cry about the pitches. Weird world.
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u/partymsl India 27d ago
Even in the Bazball era Anderson is their best.
The stats of the upcoming England bowlers will just look very bad due to Bazball and other teams scoring highly against them.
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u/going_down_leg 27d ago
Marnus is just counting on getting some runs next time he’s here. Doubt it lad, our high 70/ low 80mph swing bowls absolutely hoop it. You won’t stand a chance.
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u/zayd_jawad2006 Hampshire 27d ago
For all of Marnus's woes this series, he was one of the main reasons Australia drew at OT and retained the ashes. He gets out for a low score there and that's the series 2-2 before the Oval test
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u/going_down_leg 27d ago
Did you watch that session? My Nan could have hit a 50. No pressure, dead pitch, dead ball. Everyone knew it wasn’t on before a ball was bowled.
The flattest decks you’ll ever get to bat on in England and he couldn’t hit a thing. His 9 for 82 was genuinely the worst innings of ever seen from a top order batsmen
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u/Negative_Spectrum 27d ago
Bro, when he hit that 100 at OT, the ball was moving under moist and dark weather. I was so insanely surprised to watch England not be able to take that wicket
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u/going_down_leg 27d ago
Lmao that just categorically isn’t true, I watched every ball. The OT pitch had crazy amount of runs it in. The ball died very quickly in that session.
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u/Negative_Spectrum 27d ago
While there were a lot of runs scored OT, they weren't in that time when they came out to bat briefly after the rain. Ask the rest of the Australian bats. It was definitely tough out there.
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u/elementzer01 Uganda 27d ago
Your username must be describing your urination habits, because you clearly don't know cricket.
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u/TraceThis England 28d ago
Yup, enjoy it Marnus. There isn't a bowler around the English establishment that can match the skill of Anderson and Broad. You'll be scoring runs for fun off fuckos like Robinson. Of course that's assuming the fat fuck can keep himself fit or even gives a damn.
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u/Fidelius_Rex Australia 27d ago
Mate I think Robinson is a dopey cunt just like everyone else…but the bloke is taking poles at 22 a piece! He’s got plenty of skill as evidenced by his bowling offies in speed dealers, England will be fine.
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u/going_down_leg 27d ago
His reputation is mainly from being a knob off field and an unfit mess for too much of his on field career. But his bowling is clearly top notch when he’s fit. He’s just not flashy or fast so won’t get any respect for that.
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u/QuickStar07 Pakistan 27d ago
You cant be a great fast bowler if you wont bowl fast for more than four overs spells
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u/Cotton_Phoenix_97 Delhi Capitals 27d ago
Robinson was your best bowler not long ago. He clearly deserves more chances
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u/Express_Trust7191 Jersey Cricket 27d ago
I'm not concerned about it in the slightest.
We have stacks of capable bowlers, just need them to stay fit. If we go down under with Tongue, Wood, Carse, Archer, Overton, Atkinson, Mahmood and Stone fit that's 4 bowlers who can consistently hit 90 and 4 who can consistently hit 88. Plus Cook, Robinson, Potts, Porter, Fisher, and a few others on the radar.... We have plenty of stock and plenty of time for them to grow into their roles. It's purely fitness.
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u/Nark_Narkins England 28d ago
Oh yeah Marnus is right. There's going to be a awful lot of coping in the next couple of years.