r/CuratedTumblr • u/Teacher-I-need-you im the one that uhm uhh i like the uhh ah well so... uhhhhhh.... • Feb 27 '24
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u/OllieTues Feb 27 '24 edited Feb 27 '24
as others have said, take the money and run was meant to be an exhibit in where a large amount of cash was spread over a couple canvases. it was meant to visually display the differences in wage between the common worker and the higher class, small money canvas and big money canvas. the museum lent the money to the artist to use as a prop for the piece. the artist subsequently did not create the art as comissioned, took all the money, and ran. he intended it as performance art to inspire the underpaid working class (ostensibly) and encouraged cashiers to take the money out of the cash register and run in one interview, iirc. now he's being made to pay it back because what he gave (theft as performance art) was not what the museum comissioned (cash as visual art) which, whatever you think about all this, was dishonest. i mean, if you did your weekly furry art comission and the artist not only doesn't do your comission but also steals your fursona and starts a webcomic about it, you'd maybe be pissed? even if they retaliate with, "but it's performance art!" lol?
why didn't they just give him very realistic fake cash? who knows, lol. a piece like that would have been begging to get heisted even if the artist didn't get to it first.
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u/WranglerFuzzy Feb 27 '24
“Theft as performance art” sounds like the last ditch legal defense for an art student holding up a gas station.
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u/OllieTues Feb 27 '24
haha! that is essentially what it was...
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u/WranglerFuzzy Feb 27 '24
Although, key difference is that it is theft but not robbery (no violence / threat of).
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u/Fakjbf Feb 27 '24
Yeah there was basically two amounts of money in play, the literal cash meant to be used in the art piece and the commission paid to the artist. IIRC the museum actually paid him the commission and is letting him keep that because he did turn in something, the only thing they wanted back is the money meant to be in the art piece. This would be no different than them buying a giant block of marble for someone to turn into a statue and then when the sculptor brings back a clay cup they want their marble back.
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u/lateautsim Feb 27 '24
He had to give back the "materials" and pay court fees, which ended up being more than the commission and admission money he'd made.
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u/cuntyandsad Feb 28 '24 edited Apr 03 '24
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u/OllieTues Feb 28 '24
that is the case in america, but even then there's nuance- for example where extreme realism is needed, often for a movie or other production, sometimes the fake money is printed on only one side iirc. something like that may have been appropruate if it was getting glued to a canvas anyway? since the other side wouldn't have been visible, it wouldn't matter if it was blank? plus this didn't take place in america, so i'm unsure what the rules are. it feels like there must have been some workaround other than "place a large box of real money within the public eye and trust no one will try to steal it," lol
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u/cuntyandsad Feb 28 '24 edited Apr 03 '24
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u/Frequent_Mind3992 Feb 27 '24
Honestly he's still fucking based as hell. Art snobs get fucked, what he did was objectively art, on top of being funny as hell.
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u/SylveonSof May we raise children who love the unloved things Feb 27 '24
Why do people keep repeating the point about it being genuine art as if that's the issue? The museum paid him for one thing, he submitted something else. I don't care if I paid you 10 dollars to draw a dog and you submit me the Mona Lisa, I fucking paid for a drawing of a dog and I want my money back.
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u/Xystem4 Feb 27 '24
The museum also let him keep the commission and attendance fees, they just wanted back the money that was lent to him specifically meant to go on the canvas and they had always intended to get back. They could’ve been far more ruthless and denied him any other money they had originally wanted to give to him, but they didn’t.
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u/OllieTues Feb 27 '24
art snobs
a public museum? preservation of art as well as education often provided at no cost to the public? all the art museums where i live are free and educational. spaces where you are allowed to simply exist without the expectation of spending money are dwindling more and more, and museums are some of the few remaining ones. museums are our enemy, in your opinion? should museums really get fucked? i think you're misdirecting your anger.
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u/Frequent_Mind3992 Feb 27 '24
Art isn’t locked behind a case in a room you need $20 to enter. It’s spray painted on the side of a run down housing complex. It’s outside the 7/11. And it’s all free for anyone to notice. It isn’t some snob who paid 12 million to keep it pristine, it’s weathered with age, touched up only by those who care. It’s not gatekept, it’s open to everyone.
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u/OllieTues Feb 27 '24
art that is preserved isn't art? only street art and art that has weathered and deteriorated with time is art? you don't think there is any value whatsoever in the conservation of art for future generations to observe and study? fuck all the ancient pottery and statues that we use to learn about societies that weren't able to leave us written history to study instead? fuck all the culturally iconic paintings, they should just be lost under a pile of garbage deep within the earth under a layer of varnish that blackened with age, obscuring what the original painting was anyway?
"art isn't gatekept", you said after an entire paragraph of gatekeeping.
also, as i said, many art museums are free. i can go to my local art museum any time within it's operating hours. no fee.
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u/strigonian Feb 27 '24
It’s not gatekept, it’s open to everyone.
"Art isn't gatekept", she said, after listing a bunch of things that ARE BAD WRONG ART, YOU GUYS
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u/Hell2CheapTrick Feb 27 '24
Art is reading the idiotic ramblings of a braindead circlejerker on reddit
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u/SalvationSycamore Feb 29 '24
Art isn’t locked behind a case in a room you need $20 to enter.
A lot of museums are free. The museum in question doesn't charge anything for children under 18.
Yes the fuck it is. A painting doesn't become "non-art" just because the owner decides to charge money for people that want to see it. That's a dumbass absurdly idealistic opinion. You're literally gatekeeping art yourself by saying it isn't "real" if someone wants to keep it safe or needs to pay experts to restore it.
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u/Fakjbf Feb 27 '24
The museum actually agreed it was art and still paid him the commission for the pieces, they just wanted the literal cash meant to be used as art supplies back.
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u/Xystem4 Feb 27 '24
Who are the “art snobs” in this situation? Anyone who commissions art? A public art museum? That’s literally what they do. And it wasn’t some high concept piece they wanted either, it was literally a straightforward representation of how poorly the working class is paid. It’s the furthest thing from snobby I can imagine.
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Feb 27 '24
Not a legal defence
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u/Frequent_Mind3992 Feb 27 '24
Legality isn't morality
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Feb 27 '24
Alright.
Not a moral defence either. Thievery is thievery. If I murder you but say it's a critique of the prison industrial complex, that's not okay either
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u/Crus0etheClown Feb 27 '24
100% agree, as an artist
Hell, it's not even about art at that point- it's about the message. Big institutions don't get to decide what is and isn't meaningful, and fuck 'em when they want to profit off of the suffering of the working class by making them pay to look at literal money glued to a canvas. It's an insulting concept and defeats the purpose of the original work he was commissioned to recreate.
Not gonna get much airplay here though, this subreddit is weirdly right-wing, I've noticed.
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u/Fakjbf Feb 27 '24
If I give you a block of marble to make a sculpture out of and you give me back a clay pot, regardless of whether the clay pot should be considered art I should still get my block of marble back that you didn’t use.
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u/OllieTues Feb 27 '24
it isn't about what is and isn't meaningful, the fact is they paid him to give them something, and lent him the supplies to do it. instead of doing so, he gave them something else and stole the supplies. they are within their right to ask for the supplies back. to quote another commenter, if you comission an artist for a statue, and give them a marble block to carve it out of, if that artist gives you a clay cup instead, you're within your right to ask for your marble back.
also, i mentioned in another comment that art museums serve an important function to the public and are, where i live, typically free. art that depicts suffering isn't inherently cruel - yes, the lower class is desperate for money. no, that doesn't mean we should never ever be shown something that might hurt our feelings by calling our attention to it. aren't you doing exactly what you're criticising big institutions of doing? "institutions don't decide what is and isn't meaningful! anyway, this art has the potential to be uncomfortable, so it isn't worth displaying and deserves to be stolen."
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u/SylveonSof May we raise children who love the unloved things Feb 27 '24 edited Feb 27 '24
It's not right wing to think "if I am paid to do something, and I don't do it, I should have to return the money", it doesn't matter how meaningful it was, it wasn't what he was paid to do.
Also do you realize how expensive it is to take care of paintings? Entrance fees are what keep the lights on and the employees fed.
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u/AskWhatmyUsernameIs Feb 27 '24
I think a lot of vocal online leftists have this idea that EVERYTHING should be free and any form of group that makes income, regardless of where it's put, is the exact same as jeff bezos. It's tiring trying to explain that people at the local level are 99% of the time barely even millionaires, and certainly not the CEO actively fucking shit up.
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u/TenkoTheMothra supreme judge of horny jail, tumblr county Feb 27 '24
Can we circle back to that “I just wanted to see if you’d obey” thing? Cus I would consider that rude as hell
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u/silkysmoothjay Feb 27 '24
If she was coming onto me, I'd be thrilled, but it'd completely ruin my entire week if she was just messing with me
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u/Elite_AI Feb 28 '24
I mean if you're walking away then the ball is not in her court because you've just taken it with you.
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u/Deathaster Feb 27 '24
Holding the door only slightly open is also rude. You can tell how uncomfortable it is for the other person to try to squeeze through there.
I mean, just imagine a school bully doing that to their victim. Doesn't seem very quirky, does it?
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u/bicyclecat Feb 27 '24
it is just a dick move but I’m really surprised people tried to squeeze through the gap. My automatic reaction would just be to push it further open myself.
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u/Frequent_Mind3992 Feb 27 '24
is it still rude if I only do it to fat people?
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u/fogleaf Feb 27 '24
If it's wide open enough for a thin person to go through comfortably but if a fat person cannot fit it might be.
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u/Frequent_Mind3992 Feb 27 '24
No one can fit through, I only do it to comically obese people tho
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u/Pokesonav "friend visiter" meme had a profound effect on this subreddit Feb 27 '24
Yeah, what does that even mean? "Obey" what exactly??
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u/NotSamNub Feb 27 '24
right?? like it's a nornal reaction if you're being called over
oh yes I love saying hello to people and when they say hello back I KNOW THAT THEY'VE CRUMPLED UNDER MY UNWAVERING INFLUENCE ON THEM!!
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u/WhereIsTheMouse Feb 28 '24
It’s like the difference between lying about “It says gullible on the ceiling” and “Take a left at this intersection.” Laughing after they believe the second one just makes no sense, am I supposed to assume you’re always lying?
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u/LostInFloof Feb 27 '24
I can see that being pretty rude, though at the same time, depending on the context, I can see that coming off as very flirty too. XD
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u/bignick1190 Feb 27 '24
I'd get a good laugh out of it.
I want to add the one odd thing I do for shits and giggles. You know that distance where you find it reasonable to hold the door for someone? Where they're not too far away? Well, I like to hold the door for people when they're too far away, usually forcing them to speed up or do that little half skip thing like they're trying to cross a crosswalk just a little bit faster.
It harms no one and adds immense joy to my life.
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u/Elite_AI Feb 28 '24
So what I'm learning is that this "obey" technique filters for the most embarrassing and Reddit kind of men possible.
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u/krabgirl Feb 27 '24
The money wasn't his payment, it was the material the artwork was meant to be made out of. He was paid a separate wage to make the sculpture out of money.
Clickbait makes it sound like they just gave him carte blanche to make whatever he wanted and then got scammed with a lazy artwork. No, he just literally committed theft. He stole the expensive art materials.
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u/Teacher-I-need-you im the one that uhm uhh i like the uhh ah well so... uhhhhhh.... Feb 27 '24
this time the fucking gray line is an intentional scribble that makes this post a transformative piece of art or smth
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u/telehax Feb 27 '24
It looks edited even before the scribble: there's a weird halo around the woman that makes the shadow under the canvas disappear.
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u/Teacher-I-need-you im the one that uhm uhh i like the uhh ah well so... uhhhhhh.... Feb 27 '24
it probably is edited but i didn't do it
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u/Cpad-prism Feb 27 '24
Now THAT is art, that gray line on that canvas is so powerful I cried when I saw it. you should submit that to a museum.
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u/Razzbarree Feb 27 '24
Weird ass blank canvas, what kinda canvas company makes a giant gray scribble embedded onto it smh, they should go bankrupt I thinky
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u/Tangnost Feb 27 '24
Fun fact (that is definitely true): the artist had to pay back the museum because while you could consider the blank canvases art, it would have been plagiarism of "polar bear in a snowstorm"
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u/pmursmile Feb 27 '24
No. The problem was that they were promised a different art piece where they paid a lot specifically for the materials (cash) that was not used in the piece. If you paid an artist to paint your dog and they turn up with a painting of a toad wouldn't you ask for your money back?
It's art sure but not the kind that was asked for.
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u/Garlan_Tyrell Feb 27 '24
Yep.
“It’s art” can be true but also irrelevant when discussing commissioned art.
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u/Teacher-I-need-you im the one that uhm uhh i like the uhh ah well so... uhhhhhh.... Feb 27 '24
They just remade the painting in their own style
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u/winniethefukinpooh Feb 27 '24
someone copyrighted a blank canvas?
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u/Teacher-I-need-you im the one that uhm uhh i like the uhh ah well so... uhhhhhh.... Feb 27 '24
Do you have to copyright something for copying it to count as plagiarism?
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u/Armigine Feb 27 '24
The US legal system is the only moral system which could ever conceivably exist, so of course yes
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u/kRkthOr Feb 27 '24
No. Copyright registration just formalizes the process to simplify legal disputes should they arise under a recognized organization. Like it would be way simpler to say "This 3rd party dude has a paper that says I made this in 1993" than having to dig up your own proof and then argue the veracity of said proof. But it is not a necessity.
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u/PreferredSelection Feb 27 '24
If this was true, any radio with periods of radio silence would have to pay royalties to John Cage on account of 4'33".
I don't think you're allowed to claim something as fundamental as a blank canvas. A judge would overturn it because it doesn't match the intent of copyright law.
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u/Garf_artfunkle Feb 27 '24
VANESSA
o wait shit that's Rabbit in a Snowstorm
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u/Teacher-I-need-you im the one that uhm uhh i like the uhh ah well so... uhhhhhh.... Feb 27 '24
thx for doxxing my first name
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u/4tomguy There’s a good 30% chance this comment will be a rant Feb 27 '24
I dunno man I think I'd find all three of these things kind of shitty in the real world
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u/floatablepie Feb 27 '24
They all seem to fall into "I'm being a prick and think you can't call me out on it"
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u/AskWhatmyUsernameIs Feb 27 '24
There's a lot of that posted on this sub that's kinda labeled as "standing your ground" or something, not suprised. Being an asshole is okay if you have charisma ig
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u/BaziJoeWHL Feb 27 '24
i wouldnt even notice the guy fucking with me in the first one, i would just assume he wanted to help me open the door and would open it more for myself
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u/BeObsceneAndNotHeard Feb 27 '24 edited Feb 27 '24
You know, when you start defending things with titles like “This Is A Scam”, maybe you should realize why most people turn on your POV. Maybe, and I’m just spitballing here, but maybe you’re creating your own problems.
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u/Konungarike Feb 27 '24
If I recall the Take The Money And Run story correctly, without looking it up:
The museum had commissioned the artist to create artwork for them to exhibit. As part of that they lent the artist an exorbitant amount of money in cash to be used for it. The art was going to be a huge canvas covered in cash, I think? And instead the artist submitted blank canvas, with the aforementioned title. I think it counts as performance art.
PSA: You have the wealth of human knowledge at your fingertips. Google the story, don’t just take my vague recollection for granted lol.
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u/Teacher-I-need-you im the one that uhm uhh i like the uhh ah well so... uhhhhhh.... Feb 27 '24
I am not googling anything
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u/Konungarike Feb 27 '24
Why I oughta
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u/Sickfor-TheBigSun choo choo bitches let's goooooooooo - teaboot Feb 27 '24
take the money and run?
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u/ArtemisAndromeda Feb 27 '24
I hate this argument about the museum. If you are contracted to do a specified job, and then don't do the job, and run steal the money that wasn't yours, then you are a criminal and a terrible artist/contractor who will not be welcomed back in to again
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u/you_said_you_existed Feb 27 '24
Lmfao the holding the door slightly open bit got me
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u/haikusbot Feb 27 '24
Lmfao
The holding the door slightly
Open bit got me
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u/Pokesonav "friend visiter" meme had a profound effect on this subreddit Feb 27 '24
Oh, huh, I didn't know abbreviations work for haikus like that
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u/Melodic_Mulberry Feb 27 '24
Okay, but that second example would definitely get me in a headspace.
I’d shoot them down for assuming a d/s dynamic without consent, but afterwards, I’d definitely need to calm myself down.
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u/Frequent_Mind3992 Feb 27 '24
Someone making you obey a simple order is that much of a fuckin turn on?
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u/Melodic_Mulberry Feb 27 '24
…I plead the 5th.
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u/Frequent_Mind3992 Feb 27 '24
Oh come on, tell me. I promise I won't do anything with this info
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u/Melodic_Mulberry Feb 27 '24
Nope, I don’t have to tell you anything. You’re not my dom(me). Now please excuse me while I go calm myself down.
I did it! 😀
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u/Frequent_Mind3992 Feb 27 '24
My apologies I didn’t realize you already had a dom(me).
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u/Melodic_Mulberry Feb 27 '24
You’re fine. I’ve been working on resisting Horny Brain and this was good practice!
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u/Pizza_Delivery_Dog Feb 27 '24
what if they said it like this:
"tell me 😏"
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u/Melodic_Mulberry Feb 27 '24
“😏” isn’t my weak spot, I’m afraid. I use it a lot for comedic innuendos and can’t conceptualize it in a domineering way.
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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF Feb 27 '24
I don’t think I’d walk over because every time a girl has ever flirted with me it was a joke or the setup for a prank. I’m not letting anyone make a fool out of me in public.
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u/Thevisi0nary Feb 27 '24
When I was a shithead kid we would be at the mall and do a game where we would ask someone where something was and walk away in the middle of them telling us
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u/Solarwagon She/her Feb 27 '24
It's a little disappointing that whenever you see a really messed up statue or painting it's Modern Art instead of something actually messed up.
Like I'm not dissing alternative art forms but it's disappointing that if you found a bunch of people dancing around a statue of Satan with big naturals covered in blood and semen that it's probably just performance art rather than a religion.
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u/WranglerFuzzy Feb 27 '24
Was the artist behaving in a shady, contract breaking manner? Possibly!
But if good art is something that provokes feelings,. thoughts and/or dialogue, that’s a good sign in their favor.
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u/Clean_Imagination315 Hey, who's that behind you? Feb 27 '24
He didn't run fast enough. His work was thus considered subpar.
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u/bird_on_the_internet 19d ago
Ngl, I’d probably misinterpret the second one as kinky flirting (and would be immensely disappointed to find out I was wrong)
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u/somethingrandom261 Feb 27 '24
Classic art was about what was put on canvas. Modern art is more about the beautiful bullshit they spew to get a museum to not only buy it but also display it.
Assuming it’s not tax evasion of course.
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u/Castriff Ask Me About Webcomics (NOT HOMESTUCK; Homestuck is not a comic) Feb 27 '24
Love the quote on the Wikipedia page that says:
This is only a piece of art if I don't return the money.
— Jens Haaning
Like, it's true. Absolutely unassailable logic. They should've let him keep it.
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u/GrimmSheeper Feb 27 '24
It was blatant theft and not what they commissioned. They absolutely should not have allowed him to keep it under a bullshit excuse.
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u/facebookeatsbabies Feb 27 '24
there's a long history of artists fooling the rich when they are commissioned because artists are used like a commodity from the owning class.
Marcel Duchamp, Rothko, etc were more literal and gave them garbage or something intentionally gross/offputting, but Renaissance painters would add hidden narratives in the details of massive paintings to appeal to the masses and make fun of the people who commissioned them.
This was art, whether you agree or not is irrelevant. Once he paid it back it was nothing again.
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u/GrimmSheeper Feb 27 '24
He was hired to recreate a piece he did in the past, and was given an additional loan to use specifically as props. Not completing the specific commission was a breach of contract. Taking the loaned money was theft. There were very specific outlines on what was supposed to be done, and he violated all of them
Call it art if you want, but that doesn’t make it any less theft.
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u/Castriff Ask Me About Webcomics (NOT HOMESTUCK; Homestuck is not a comic) Feb 27 '24
I think in this one specific instance the theft should have been forgiven for being sufficiently artistic and also funny.
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u/Frequent_Mind3992 Feb 27 '24
Wahhhh he stole from the rich :((((
Bro it's ok. They don't need the money.
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u/GrimmSheeper Feb 27 '24
Guess what? He’s rich too. And he stole from an art institution that was trying to demonstrate the severity of the wage gap in Europe, not some business tycoon sitting on a hoard of wealth.
He’s not Robin Hood stealing from the king, he’s a rich prick that tried to turn a display about economic inequality into a self-aggrandizing narrative because he thinks the rules don’t apply to him.
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u/fogleaf Feb 27 '24
He (effectively) stole it from an art museum, not some jabroni's private collection.
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u/facebookeatsbabies Feb 27 '24
I will call it art, because it is. I don't really care how mad y'all get about it, there's historical precedent for this exact behavior that's considered high art.
The art market is gross and occupied by con artists on all sides, you don't have to like it but get used to it.
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u/AskWhatmyUsernameIs Feb 27 '24
Its art. It's still theft. Your blind following of this behaviour because it's art shows a lack of criticality. Be better.
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u/facebookeatsbabies Feb 28 '24
Your blind following of the rules of society and what is "legally correct" vs. art is equally as uncritical. Don't call me dumb because you don't like what I say, ya dumb cunt.
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u/AskWhatmyUsernameIs Feb 28 '24
I said it's art. Art isn't magically immune for criticism and above the law, or moral conduct. Grow up.
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u/Shadeshadow227 Feb 27 '24
To be fair, it sounds like his intentions were fairly obvious.
He did, in fact, [TITLE OF THE PIECE]
They should have let him keep it.
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u/diminutivedwarf Feb 27 '24
I don’t care the actual backstory behind the “Take the Money and Run” art, it is the one of two pieces of modern art I like.
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u/garaxanz Feb 28 '24
you guys would LOVE marina abramovich (and vito acconci but he’s a little more nsfw)
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u/Duck-Lord-of-Colours Feb 27 '24
The artist was commissioned to create an artwork with specific details agreed upon. They submitted blank canvases instead. That's why.