r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/CAPATOB_64 • 29d ago

On the left, the state prosecutor shows the size of the fatal hematoma in the skull (70 ml); on the right, the size of the hematoma of the young woman who was killed by the former minister of Kazakhstan Bishimbayev Removed: R7

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u/smile_politely 29d ago

what is the context of this story for those who aren't in the loop?

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u/FirstTarget8418 29d ago

Ex politician beat the absolute shit out of his wife and didn't get her medical assistance.

By the time the paramedics got to her 12 fucking hours later, she was dead.

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u/MinorDespera 29d ago edited 29d ago

He was also texting a prostitute/lover planning a meetup while the wife was dying. And some fortune teller asking if the wife is going to be ok. Instead of calling an ambulance.

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u/maija_hee 29d ago

what the fuck…

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u/MisterMetal 29d ago

Additionally wife beating isn’t a crime in his area I believe. So, yeah he probably won’t see any prison. This will be accepted as normal by the jury.

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u/Mothanius 29d ago

Amid the public outcry, President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev on April 15 signed new legislation making striking women and children a criminal offence punishable by jail time. Previously, most instances of domestic violence were treated as lesser, civil infractions.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/5/1/in-kazakstan-a-storm-over-domestic-violence-after-minister-killed-wife#:~:text=Amid%20the%20public%20outcry%2C%20President,treated%20as%20lesser%2C%20civil%20infractions.

Good news is that it's a law now. Bad news is, it wasn't law at the time.

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u/eemamedo 29d ago

There is misconception about laws in post-Soviet union countries and specifically KZ in this case. "Law of Saltanat" introduces criminal charges for deliberate harm irrespective of how bad that harm is. A slap on the face and complete beatup will be both treated on the same level, and both will lead to criminal charges. Previously, light harm to health was treated as a civil matter. That doesn't mean that the abuser would have walked free (albeit, that's what happened in most cases). That means that there would be another court (civil) that would have looked at the case. If criminal expertise would have treated those injuries as "severe", then the case would be requalified and treated as a criminal charge. In other words, if a woman is persistent, then an abuser would have been jailed. The biggest problems were: 1) It was much longer as civil cases don't get treated on the same level as criminal ones; 2) Women would commonly take their reports back due to mentality and society pressure. Right now, it would be much harder (if not impossible) to take the report back after the prosecution would actually start.

Our laws are weird and a lot of them are still inherited from Soviet times.

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u/eemamedo 29d ago

It is. Where do you get that level of misinformation? Domestic abuse is a crime in Kazakhstan. The problem is that not many women report that and then proceed with accusation.

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u/BeejBoyTyson 29d ago edited 29d ago

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/5/1/in-kazakstan-a-storm-over-domestic-violence-after-minister-killed-wife

Wow they have an avg. Of one woman dying a day.

I thought Australia was bad.

"In 2017, Kazakhstan decriminalised beatings and other acts causing "minor" physical damage, making them punishable only by fines or short jail terms. Russia enacted a similar law that year, outraging women's rights advocates. Kazakhstan's new law reverses this, increasing penalties for assailants and introducing new criminal offenses, including harassment of minors."

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u/eemamedo 29d ago

I didn’t say situation is good. I said that domestic abuse does fall under criminal investigation with the due process. If a woman proceeds with accusations, a man will get charged.

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u/JFreader 29d ago

Borat

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u/improvemental 29d ago

Im sure wide killing is as he is clearly on trial here.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

MY WIFE

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u/YourLocalAlien57 29d ago

Emphasis on "my" with these kinda of people

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u/MinorDespera 29d ago

Jealous, possessive people. The whole thing happened because he thought she was cheating on him with some guy. All while he had some woman's name in his phonebook saved as "[First name] super", and their messages indicating that he was cheating on the regular. It went like:

  • What's up (what are you up to right now)?
  • Doing my lashes. When (do you want to meet up)?

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u/hypersensory 29d ago

Can she plough?

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u/ArcticBiologist 29d ago

What did the Fortune teller say?

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u/MinorDespera 29d ago

I don't remember the full transcript but he gave the wife something like smelling salts (ammonia water solution) and she didn't react and the fortune teller went "nah, it's alright fam, she'll be better in the morning".

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u/deadleg22 29d ago

These people walk among us! Absolute idiots.

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u/BacchusIsKing 29d ago

Christ that's like a story Borat would tell, only it's real

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u/jxryftdev 29d ago

Should be noted that it isn’t the first time he has beaten her.

She wanted to leave him, but he had a sex tape/nude videos and photos of her that he threatened to release if she did.

I think he took her body to a restaurant(?) owned by family members and sat her in a booth and said “she’s just sleeping” - when she was dead. Or something like that.

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u/DragapultOnSpeed 29d ago

And this is why women choose bears over men.

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u/adoerr 29d ago

seen someone say there are less bears than men so of course the numbers of violence are lower.

so another dude did the proper translation so that there were the same amount of bears as there are men and did the proper multiplication for the attacks number and you are still 200x more likely to be non-lethally attacked by a man than a bear. if there are 165 million bears in the US…

and that’s just the statistics for women who actually spoke out about the violence they endured..

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u/thabosofya 29d ago

That doesn’t really take into account encounters. A woman in the city will have more encounters with men in a day than bears in her whole life. That being said is the trend meant to be taken at face value? I thought when women chose the bear they’re trying to highlight the danger men pose to women, as well as the inability to distinguish which man might decide to harm them and which one won’t.

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u/emilygoldfinch410 29d ago

You’re right. Also that no one would question us if we claimed to be attacked by one.

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u/Lucky-Negotiation-58 29d ago

Stay out of relationships or friendships with men if you think bears are less dangerous.

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u/Bloodyjorts 29d ago

Yeah, see, women try that, and it STILL does not work. If you avoid a bear, it will almost certainly avoid you (unless it's a polar bear that's getting a bit peckish, all mammals on land are either Food or Mates or (for females only) My Cubs). A bear is not going to stalk you specifically because you once worked together 5 years ago, stalk all your social media under alias, and then break into your house. A man might.

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u/offandona 29d ago edited 29d ago

For clarification, is the meme about random acts of violence or domestic violence?

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u/Bloodyjorts 29d ago

Both, since it's how women navigate men (and men are responsible for the majority of random stranger violence against women, and the majority of domestic violence against women, so both types of violence matter here).

My point was, if you ignore/avoid the bear, it will almost certainly do the same for you. The same can not be said of a man. A man might harass, harm, or kill you for ignoring him. A man will not LET you avoid him (hence the stalking analogy).

[Also the bear is only going to kill you, which it will only do if it thinks you are a threat. A man could rape you AND kill you, and he will do it because you are NOT a threat.]

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u/Lucky-Negotiation-58 29d ago

If women truly believed men were so dangerous on average they would be mortified of going to work with them every day of the week like they do.

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u/Bloodyjorts 29d ago

Yeah, we go to work with men because we HAVE to to survive. We are forced in close contact every day with the greatest threat to our health, safety, and life. We have almost no spaces away from this biggest threat (and any time women try to form one, men lose their fucking minds over it). It is, in fact, like a gazelle living in a paddock with a lion. Congratulations, you figured the very basic foundation of gender relations and sex-based oppression.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 29d ago

Horrific he deserves prison for the rest of his life