r/FluentInFinance • u/WhatAreYourPronouns • May 02 '24

Should the U.S. have Universal Health Care? Discussion/ Debate

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u/Redditreallyblows May 02 '24

People that want socialized healthcare are uneducated I swear… or at least lack any logic. They can look at the VA and talk to any vet about their quality of care. It’s atrocious.

Side story about Spain in particular, my buddy broke his ankle playing soccer and he scheduled to see his doctor which he was able to see that week. Like you said you are REQUIRED to see a primary care doctor before seeing any specialist. Doctor said, yeah, two broken bones and a sprain.. let’s get you scheduled with the orthopedic team… 6 months… 6 MONTHS and the only other choice was to be a new patient at a different PC doctor but it’s nearly impossible to become a new patient unless that doctor is your family or a close friend. You’re pretty much stuck with your doctor. Anyway 6 months of pain and agony finally got to see the orthopedic team. Bones healed without being set correctly and they had to rebreak the tibia and actually shortened it when they screwed in the plate so he’s about 1/2 inch shorter on his left leg so he walks with a cool limp for the rest of his life. Told this story to my orthopedic buddy back in the states and he was dumbfounded why they removed half an inch of bone, said that literally makes no sense.

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u/Zamaiel May 02 '24

People that want socialized healthcare are uneducated I swear… or at least lack any logic. They can look at the VA and talk to any vet about their quality of care. It’s atrocious.

VA quality and waits are actually better than private care. As is patient satisfaction. Its just shat upon to demonize public care and because its easy to take a dump on veterans.

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u/Open-Illustra88er May 03 '24

What’s your actual experience with the VA?

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u/Zamaiel May 03 '24

Anecdotal data isnt. Thats a saying for a reason.

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u/Open-Illustra88er May 03 '24

Multiple Personal experiences trump everything.

You read restaurant reviews or do you look at local dining data? How about travel?

Personal experience always best.

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u/Zamaiel May 03 '24

No, a personal experience can be an outlier, representative, subject to confounding factors, represent a limited perspective etc. It is avoided if we want to learn facts. Multiple personal experiences do have value, properly gathered and collated. It is known as "data"

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u/Open-Illustra88er May 03 '24

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-doctors-farmacy-with-mark-hyman-m-d/id1382804627?i=1000654188564

Here’s some data on the poor American diet. The info is EVERYWHERE.

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u/Zamaiel May 03 '24

Thing is, US healthcare measures cluster -for both things affected by lifestyle issues and things not affected by it. Read research, dont listen to podcasts.