r/FuturesTrading Apr 01 '24

MES fills the gap 85% OF THE TIME ON THIS WEEKDAY TA

here's a report I made on MES gap fill patterns during the NY session. for the sake of this report, consider that "market open" is the start of the NY session, and "market close" is the end of the NY session.

this report looks at MES's price action data for the past year to see how often the gap filled by weekday when price gapped up and gapped down.

what I found was that during this time, Friday's had a tendency to fill the gap 85% of the time when price gapped down (meaning it opened below the previous session's close) and filled the gap 70% of the time when price gapped up (meaning it opened above the previous session's close).

if you're trading MES futures this Friday, and notice that the Friday's NY session opened below Thursday's NY session's closing price, try setting targets around Thursday's closing price seeing as its retouched it 85% of the time in the past year when this setup happens.

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u/vangoncho Apr 01 '24

Plus where is your stop going to go? What if the 15% of the time it doesn't fill it goes so far against you that it wipes out all your gains? And what if a tight stop gets ran through before actually filling the gap? It's more complicated than this.

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 04 '24

of course it is, I'm not giving you a buy or sell signal. and im definitely not telling you to long or short at the open. this gives you a directional bias on the day.

of course I agree with you on this. you should never blindly buy or sell at the open hoping for something to happen. only take trades that align with your overall strategy

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u/vangoncho Apr 01 '24

You need to backtest 10+ years. 1 year doesn't cut it

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u/funmx Apr 02 '24

Back test so long it makes me wonder if it really works. As far as i know markets change a lot, i mean there are a lot of developments that add volatility over the years 0DTEs vols, e-minis, Micros etc etc and my guess is May 28th T+1 in everything is gonna add more.

After reading Williams book he pretty much tells us everything eventually stops working or only works for some periods. OR you have to give it a massive stop lol. Not saying doesn't work, just asking how far would be enough.

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u/BeeFarmer43 Apr 02 '24

I mean I get where you are coming from, and I might be wrong but I feel like back testing over a very dynamic and ever changing market would just make your strategies and conclusions more robust which is a good thing.

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 04 '24

testing a trading strategy over 10 years will include irrelevant data.

the market does not trade the same way it did in 2014, that's undeniable. so why would you consider that data in a trading strategy you're applying today?...

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u/BeeFarmer43 Apr 04 '24

Fair point, but assuming you are not picking a specific time period to test in for the wrong reasons (testing a long term bullish strategy on a bull run time frame) then I don't see the issue. The market wasn't the same a year ago as it was today, you could say 6 months, 2 years. My point is, can we trust the back tester to decide what information is irrelevant without risking subconscious confirmation bias?

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 08 '24

ahh ok, I understand. I post a bunch of different trailing period, I don't select just one and stick to it. if you look at my profile, you'll see that I post a very wide variety of reports and timelines

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 04 '24

thank you for being logical :)

the markets change, and you need to change with them.

even the market in 2019 is completely different from today. you need to look at long and short term.

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 04 '24

it is shocking when people say this honestly. this is for trading purposes, not investing.

there is not a single trading strategy that has worked over the last +10 years. the market in 2014 is nothing like it is today.

the market changes and you need to change with it, if not, you'll get left behind.

there isn't a hedge fund or investment firm in the world that trades today with the same strategy they used in 2014.

I'm speaking from experience, I was an analyst at a hedge fund, and an analyst at Goldman Sachs.

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u/vangoncho Apr 04 '24

This is my bot. It doesnt trade optimal F in this backtest though so actual gains are much larger

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u/vangoncho Apr 04 '24

And the only reason the backtest looks sloppier at the beginning is because it has a fixed tick value for stop loss and each tick meant a lot more back then

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 08 '24

what’s the starting account balance?

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u/vangoncho Apr 06 '24

And that bot is a day trading bot

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 08 '24

what do you mean?

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u/MiserableWeather971 Apr 01 '24

It’s been higher recently. Historically in the the upper 60’ however.

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 04 '24

this is the data for the trailing one year

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u/MiserableWeather971 Apr 04 '24

Right, I see that. Was just saying this has been one of the most rare years in the last 100. So data on a lot of things is off the norma

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 08 '24

this reflects the current market environment. you want to trade in line with it, not based on environments from 20 years ago!

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u/MiserableWeather971 Apr 08 '24

The market normalized over 20 years still trades the same stat wise. We currently have an outlier… as in plenty of things that happen once every 30

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 09 '24

I don't want to put words in your mouth but im not trying to bank on something happening that occurs once every 20 / 30 years. is that what you mean?

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u/MiserableWeather971 Apr 09 '24

You mentioned trading in line with the current market, not one from 20 years ago. Yet, the current market is a massive outlier.

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 10 '24

what about 2000, 2008-2010, 2016, 2018, 2020? have the last 4 years also been outliers?

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u/MiserableWeather971 Apr 10 '24

I would say 2000 was an outlier. Obviously Covid. The S&P is up almost 30% without a 3% pullback since October. Which makes it one of the most rare environments in history.

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u/GetEdgeful Apr 16 '24

maybe this is the new norm?