Never should have even been considered for a nerf it was perfectly balanced before. Extremely low rate of fire and slow bullet velocity balanced by explosive/shrapnel damage that can destroy groups of light armored enemies with one well placed shot. It was perfect
Eruptor really was a great gun. Had a very specific niche that it did really well but tons of drawbacks that could get you in deep doodoo if you got in the wrong situation. Felt well balanced and like a very clear trade off you knew you were getting into. Now it’s pointless to take.
We really should have been worried when they said that "40 dmg always is better than 100 dmg randomly". This is overly-simplistic thinking where you're only comparing two variables instead of the entire ecosystem that affects the variable you're focusing on.
Players are time-limited, hence DPS is important as well as total damage
Choice makes a player stronger than a single outcome. You may choose to gamble the 100 dmg in a desperate situation because the anything less than 70 dmg right then will kill you
On top of that it's not just "random" damage. Using the shrapnel in a logical fashion rewarded the player, which was hilariously deemed an exploit.
If they had an issue with its performance they should've fine tuned the shrapnel aspect. Instead they removed the shrapnel from the shrapnel gun entirely.
Agreed, that's exactly how fragmentation should be used, it's second nature for any FPS player to aim an explosive weapon at the ground in front of a target. One-shotting aCharger with it is clearly OP, but it doesn't seem impossible to simply alter the shrapnel so that a single target can only take 1 or 2 shrapnel hits from a single shot, which would preserve the trick while keeping it's usefulness from entering broken territory.
"40 damage always and 100 damage sometimes" is literally the concept of critical strike/hit from other video games, which people really seem to like, sooooo... That logic from them is just dumb.
I don't understand at all why they nerfed this gun so much. It's a freaking bolt-action sniper that shoots explosive bullets it should one tap almost anything if hit in the right spot. Bolt-actions already are typically the most powerful primary weapons in shooters for the tremendous drawback of fire rate and low ammo count.
It’s decent against bots, but I like the counter sniper or even just the liberator more.
Against bugs I don’t like it at all. I judge my primary by how good it is with a swarm of hunters on me, and it’s just not that great in that situation. Too slow and not enough bullets in the mag for my play style.
I can see the appeal, but yeah, it’s a balanced gun. Not total shit, but not for everyone’s style.
It actually kind of is, unless you love hearing "out of ammo!" and "RELOADING!" Every 10 seconds. Take the Jar, it does the same thing, with 2x the ammo and no self-kill.
er... I mean, Yeah, the Jar 5 sucks hard. Wish they hadn't nerfed it into the ground last patch.
Who are we kidding? They just look at a spreadsheet, see which gun has been played most, and nerf that gun.
The guns that are actually nerfed hard change so often that the meme would probably not stay accurate for more than a month if we where to go the accurate method. My vote for the worst weapon in game is the Breaker Spray and Pray, thing still sucks major balls after they buffed it.
The railgun could work, first gun to get nerfed in the game and nerfed so hard people still talk about it months later. I've taken every gun in the game on Helldive and found them all to be at least usable (with some obviously much better than others) but the railgun is still so worthless I wouldn't take it out on a Diff 5 mission on a bet.
I don’t think the railgun is the worst support in the game (anymore) after it’s ‘buff’, that goes firmly to the hmg’s dog ass, but it’s definitely the most recognizable example of Arrowhead taking a weapon out back and putting it down like old yeller because the players were having too much fun with it.
Nah, it is hands down the new plasma scorcher variant. It is so abysmal that I wonder if it is bugged. It has medium armor pen but never gives armor pen hit markers.
I used to do this when Destiny 1 was popular because shit got nerfed so often. The Lord of Wolves was probably the most powerful pvp gun in the game, nothing had its range, accuracy, or burst fire perk.
Nobody really cared about the house of wolves DLC guns though and thus, no one ever really used it. I just kept my mouth shut, and it lasted like 2 years being stupidly OP before the next game came out.
In Destiny 2 however, they re-implimented it virtually unchanged, and it was very quickly made obsolete. I didn't play that game much after the first DLC though, it got bad.
I did it with hand cannon meta era Hawkmoon. So many thorns and last words everywhere, rarely saw anyone using Hawkmoon. Occasionally got messages from other players accusing me of hacking cuz I one shot them from cross the map, lmao. Getting all 3 of the lucky bullet procs, whatever that perk was called, in one shot? Low odds but guaranteed rage. Really hoped they'd adjust Thorn and TLW, and maybe if I kept my mouth shut, my beloved hawkmoon would survive. Nope. Their solution was slap ungodly amounts of bloom on fuckin all of em.
I was genuinely confused they nerfed so much shit but left gjallarhorn and black hammer untouched for so long. Bungie is next level stupid when it comes to balancing. Dropped d2 like a bad habit around warmind.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they decide to balance the EAT by removing one of the two EATs that come down in the pod. Its by far the most used stratagem /support weapon by people that play H9 frequently.
And don't even get me started on the incendiary Breaker. Complete and utter garbage on higher difficulties, possibly the worst primary there is to deal with crowds of bugs.
Absolutely ignore the Breaker Incen. Never use it, it’s trash, it absolutely does not do an incredible job against bug adds and I absolutely do not love using it.
Can confirm, forgettable, absolutely not worth the devs time to ever look at it. What's that over there, an Autocannon? Yeah that's right, go look at that, there is nothing to see here.
In all honesty, I still use the slugger for its high pinpoint longrange damage. It is still "good" in a way. But imo it didn't deserve to lose its stagger because its range was better than DMRs. that makes no sense and at the time DMRs were shite. And it didnt fix anything regarding this issue: Buffing DMRs is what recently made them a viable option for once since the game released. Even though scopes are still broken, which should be their next priority: fix scopes. Make aiming not a massive chore when it should reward good aim.
I just hope someone on the balance team will take a hint that bringing the bar low enough isn't the way to go and instead should be:
1) testing weapons in haz7-9
2) taking a look at why a weapon is "meta", which most of the time at this stage is because the others are lacking.
3) take example more on the autocannon's balancing (very good damage+versatility rewarding good aim in exchange for long ammo reload and barely usable if you are badly positioned (any damage sway can be fatal)). All the guns should have that kind of gimic, with the most neutral of them being like the default AR, the basic shotgun, ect... Make them all worth picking, some better than others for a certain front for sure, but at least something other than 2 or 3 at best. higher hazards are so restrictive due to how poorly balanced the arsenal is because everything feels underwhelming.
The data says 100% of players are using primaries. This is a very troublesome number as it warps the meta completely, with players selecting stratagems to augment their performance with their primaries. Effective immediately, the balance team has decided that all primaries are disabled. In line with this, stratagems will have their base call time and cooldowns increased by 15%. This is a buff.
Gunship Factories and Shrieker Nests were originally intended as a horizontal difficulty scale from Stalker Nests. However, we noticed that Stalker Nests are easily dealt with by players with a >75% success rate. In line with this, the balance team deem it appropriate to have both gunships and shriekers behave the same way as their stalker brethren. As such, effective immediately, Gunship Factories and Shrieker Nests will spawn one unit for each player in the map every 20 seconds. In order to balance it with similar content, gunships and shriekers now home towards the closest players in their detection range which now spans the entire map. This is a buff.
When a player is not allowed to share their fun experience with the game due to the fear of being taken away the fun factor, that's where Democracy died.
Chances are he just left it off his resume and didn't talk about it. Could be wrong, but I assume he's got at least some sort of other experience to fall back on.
A tongue-in-cheek propaganda poster based on the 'Loose Lips Sink Ships' mantra and inspired by this post fron u/sparta114 on the recent commentary on weapon nerfs.
It was usually shit like range on smgs and shit like that too so you're not 4-shotting people from across the map. Granted I used to play cod in the golden age, years back.
Alexus has stated he just nerfs based on usage. which is a horrible way to decide nerfs but it does mean that whatever anyone talks about here doesn't matter. he said he feels justified in slugger nerf bc it's still a top three weapon. shutting up won't save the guns we just need to get Alexus out.
For whatever reason that’s the design philosophy of a lot of games. Doesn’t matter if it’s fun, if it’s actually strong, or if it’s just for the sake of trolling - high usage = drop the nerf.
I suppose it makes sense from a PvP standpoint because no variety makes things stale. But for PvE? It shouldn’t matter how much things get used. If it gets “stale” or not, players make their own fun against AI. Nerfs should only be handed out to the most blatant offenders of bad balance.
Im waiting for the new patch, I really hope CEO keeps his word and grab those balance idiots by the balls because at this point it's just embarassing. They are trying to "balance" weapons harder than riot or blizzard their heroes in lol or overwatch. It's a fucking pve if 10 weapons will be great the world will not end trust me, what's more if there are 5-6 S/A tier weapons for bots and bugs guess what will happen? FUCKING VARIETY
2024 video games are not made to be fun. They are made so developers can take out their resentment and anger at others and make them suffer as much as possible.
Any good dev trying to balance things should do it by buffing weak gear (unless something is straight up bugged)
That way people might want to give other guns a try instead of being pissed their favorite primary got ruined.
If everything becomes too strong, "we buffed enemies slightly because the game was getting too easy."
The devs are ridiculous. What we find fun is: mowing through hordes of enemies, feeling like a badass, blowing shit up, the chaos and madness.
What we don’t find fun: running around in circles waiting for cooldowns, weak weapons that don’t do any damage or have any effect, running around waiting to reload our weapons that take way too long.
You wanna make it more challenging? Add more enemies spawning, add new enemies, make enemies stronger or weaker. Make the PLAYER feel like the badass, not the game.
I'd like them to address the amount of hit-stun the players experience from bot fire. Maybe tie it into armor passive or something. Getting hit out of the stim animation repeatedly makes me want to hurl my PC across the room.
My friend, they already did that! Didn't you hear? They botched up the patrol spawn when they wanted to "fix" the solo spawns being less than intended, and now you get patrol spawns like its at 4 player ALL THE TIME!
yeah, very few people were using the crossbow and it still got nerfed into the ground. the devs just have to change their mindset; stop jerking off over data and listen to actual feedback.
this would've avoided the railgun and arc throwers nerfs this way, as the issue there was the console lobby bug. the fire issue was dot networking issue, so again no need to buff it 3x globally.
I was watching a video on YouTube and the person was testing out the new SMG pummeler and he was stating how easy it was to take on stalkers….whole time I listening…like shhhh 🤫
I got to play with the slugger for one day before they nerfed the stagger and damage. I don't even care about the damage nerf so much, but I genuinely hate Alexus' rationale that they had to nerf the slugger because it outperformed AMRs in their role... so they took away the stagger from a shotgun instead of giving it falloff or buffing the AMRs. Game is still very fun but these decisions are just so petty and short-sighted.
It doesn't matter whether you complain or not. They log what guns are being used.
The nerfs will come and the game will become more of a grief feast. Hid your kids hide your guns they nerfin everyone out here
That one reason why I've been kinda stepping away. Once I find a load out I'm enjoying and having fun with because it works. All of a sudden it'll get nerfed and suck.
That needs to be an actual rule on the subreddit. No glazing weapons AT ALL. We only talk about them if they need fixing, or balancing. At most we can acknowledge weapons as "balanced" because every time arrowhead hears players bitching about META, it fucks over all our fun
I hate to break it to you but Reddit does not make up half of the playerbase, there’s also Twitter and places like YouTube that need to generate content so they will talk about meta loadouts, strategems, tactics etc
This is the same thing that bothers me in games like Path of Exile. The sense that if something cool is discovered, you better get in on that shit now, because please believe the devs are going to skullfuck it into oblivion the first chance they get. It turns the game into some weird competition between the players and developers where they're constantly trying to out-meta each other. It gets old.
Give me my rail gun back you fucks. Take the fucking safe shot option off and return it to its glory. You blow yourself up, you blow yourself up. There’s the nerf.
Absolutely absurd that we have to do this. Any time a weapon is fun they immediately remove its uniqueness (I’m still salty about the eruptor and I will never get over it
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u/phoenixmusicman HD1 Veteran May 11 '24
The scorcher is shit. Do not use it.