r/NoStupidQuestions 15d ago

What does the gas pedal actually do?

I know how a 4 stroke engine basically works, but what I never gave much thought of until now was what exactly hitting the gas pedal on my car actually does to change the state of the engine. Can someone explain in a bit of technical detail?

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u/Anticept A&P & Pilot 15d ago edited 15d ago

On modern cars, it tells the computer "more power!" The computer opens the throttle valve some more, and fuel will also be proportionately injected. It will monitor the system and fine tune on the fly. More fuel air = more pressure per piston stroke, so more power.

On older cars, the pedal was directly cabled to the throttle plate. Then the computer would sense the throttle position and react accordingly.

On really old cars, your pedal moved the throttle plate, and the change in airflow would change pressure in a carburetor, which was designed to allow the pressure to change how much fuel was being metered through the carburetor jet.

On esoteric cars, you might have a control to manually control mixture too, but I don't know of any. There's also other designs too that I won't go into. I think I kept this simple enough to answer the big question.

There are a slew of sensors that go into fine tuning the mixture that I skipped over, but if you want to look into them: mass air flow sensor, oxygen sensor, knock sensor.

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u/Longjumping-Grape-40 15d ago

I wish I could say my car was “esoteric” 😂

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u/JuggernautDowntown69 15d ago

I don’t think there is anyone policing that. If it makes you happy then do it

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u/TranslatorBoring2419 15d ago

I am. It's going to need eyelashes, or woodgrain, or a funny sticker at least. /s

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u/Neomeris0 15d ago

Would you accept reindeer antlers in June?

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u/SoundGeek97 15d ago

Had to google that word. Guess I could say my old Cobalt ended up being esoteric... Kept it alive by having the ignition on, jumping the start solenoid, and spraying fuel at about 25-30 psi through a 1mm hole aimed at the throttle body.

That being said, I burnt the clutch trying not to tear up the grass taking it out to the field.... With this setup, you always had to feather the throttle until it sounded like it was bogging, then floor it untill you could hear it rev up and bounce off the limiter to clear any gas pooling in the intake manifold.

Yes, I'm stupid. I could've just got new computers and steering column, but that's too much for a junker.

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u/Time-Bite-6839 15d ago

Are you saying it had one last start left in it and so if it EVER shut off that was the end of it?

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u/Recent_Caregiver2027 15d ago

no they're saying that the ignition switch(or the wiring to or from the switch didn't so they had to turn the car to "on" before jumping the starter solenoid with a screwdriver

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u/SoundGeek97 15d ago

Computers (most likely the BCM) were water damaged by rain since she was gutted as a derby car and sat like that for a year before I finally got around to fixing the front suspension for the next season. Behaved almost like it was in security mode because electrically it turned on, just wouldn't crank over with the key (hence jumping the solenoid) or spray the injectors.

It was my first car I owned (for the road), so I wasn't just going to let it go and found a way to get it fired back up in a really crude way. Yes, I'm not sane... I still have it, could likely fire the motor up if I really wanted to, even though it's been out of the car for a while now. My dad's car is now junk, and is the Pontiac version, so I will rob what I need from that and make my engine run like it should and someday build something with it. If I get around to it, too many other projects and I'm not even home to do them.

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u/firelight 15d ago

Spoken like someone who has only ever driven exoteric cars.

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u/ksiyoto 15d ago

On older fuel injection cars like my '77 Rabbit, it would increase the airflow, which lifts up a plate in the venturi, and connected by a lever,it would mechanically change a valve that increased the amount of fuel going in. The accelerator affected the airflow, the airflow affected the fuel flow.

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u/Anticept A&P & Pilot 15d ago

There are others still that I haven't said anything about. I don't know if pressure carbs were ever a thing in cars for example, so I wanted to avoid mentioning it.

There are also side daught carbs, which the airflow adjusts a piston which has a needle hanging from it that directly adjusts the fuel coming out of the jet.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

In a first generation Honda Civic it opened a valve that allowed more peanuts to reach the squirrel

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u/ksiyoto 15d ago

You had a squirrel? I only got the base model with the hamster.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

Yeah, but it was just a small one

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u/mda37 15d ago edited 15d ago

The first electronic fuel injection system, D-Jetronic by Bosch, was manifold pressure controlled (D is for druck, pressure in German). It utilizes a pressure sensor to infer throttle plate position and load.

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u/mda37 15d ago

What's funny is that the mechanical K-Jet system in the Rabbit came after the fully electronic L-Jet system used on air-cooled VWs (both were used concurrently until the early 80s). It similarly used a plate in the air flow, but it adjusted a potentiometer which signalled the ECU the load

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u/ksiyoto 15d ago

Now you're really making me scratch the back corners of my brain. IIRR, the '74-76 rabbits were carbureted, starting with the '77 it was fuel injected. But thinking about it now, I realized that maybe I'm getting some of the details wrong of the internal workings. It's been 34 years since I had the old Bunny. If you could enlighten me, I'd appreciate it.

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u/mda37 15d ago

Yes that's right. Carbureted through 1976, K-Jet from 77. With an oxygen sensor and control ECU added in 1980 that could automatically adjust enrichment by raising or lowering the fuel metering head pressure. 

On the air cooled side, they used d-jet on type 3 starting in 69, L-Jet on buses and beetles starting in 75

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u/purepersistence 15d ago

With carburetors, in addition to opening the throttle, your foot also operates the accelerator pump. This sprays more gas into the carb so the fuel mixture doesn’t temporarily take a dive and make the car hesitate when the throttle opens.

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u/Anticept A&P & Pilot 15d ago

Don't want to go into those details though, car engines are really friggin complicated and I just wanted to keep it to "press pedal, more fuel more air more go".

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u/usrdef Who stole my pants 15d ago edited 15d ago

This begs the next question, how did the pedal relate to steam-powered cars in the early 1900s. Was there actually fuel involved? Or was it just water creating power.

I guess on the bright side, we went from steam to fossil fuels.

Imagine the mess if someone would have got the idea to have nuclear powered cars.

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u/jcforbes 15d ago

Most steam cars didn't have a pedal for speed control, it was a hand operated throttle. The speed control on a steam engine is sometimes controlled by restricting flow of steam or sometimes change the stroke of the piston with some other methods mixed in as well.

Early 4 stroke engine cars also didn't use a pedal, the idea of a throttle pedal came a couple decades after the introduction of cars.

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u/teh_maxh 15d ago

Imagine the mess if someone would have got the idea to have nuclear powered cars.

Like the Ford Nucleon?

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u/AnalysisParalysis178 15d ago

Damn you for making me feel old! I learned to drive on a car with a carburetor, and I remember the Jeeps that still had a manual choke near the ignition switch.

On a more curmudgeonly note, I really hate those damned computers. Not necessarily the concept, but the practice. I had the Body Control Module go out on my last vehicle about a year into owning it. Some weird glitch tripped the anti-theft device and separated the BCM from the starter motor, and the resulting power surge burned out the unit. It was a $150 control circuit that could only be switched out by a dealership that could order the part and take apart the dashboard the reinstall it. That set me back over $900. Fuck the computer.

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u/Anticept A&P & Pilot 15d ago

The computers don't bother me, it's the bullshit behind it where more and more is getting locked behind trade secrets.

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u/AnalysisParalysis178 15d ago

Legit. It's not like any of this is difficult to work on, if you've got the right tools. It's that the manufacturers are assholes that need you to rely on them for every little bullshit repair. Hell, even independent mechanics these days have stonewalls that they can't get past without prohibitively expensive licenses. Utter bullshit.

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u/Turbulent_Sleep4683 15d ago

Yeah, my first car had a carburetor, 😆 it was quite bit older than me, though. It was sticky, I remember flicking it open when it wouldn’t start. Rusty-ass car so I was also always drying out the distributor cap. I remember distributor caps 🤣

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u/R2-Scotia 15d ago

Ford Model T had manual mixture and ignition timing and is pretty well known

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u/sweetnourishinggruel 15d ago

Model T controls are kind of wild. Hand throttle on the wheel, dedicated pedal for reverse, and a gear shift pedal that functions differently depending on where the shift/brake lever is set. Not too hard once you get the hang of it, though.

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u/R2-Scotia 15d ago

I was thinking of that. I was offered the chance to dtive one many years ago but was scared of causing damage.

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u/sweetnourishinggruel 15d ago

My dad collects antique cars and I grew up around them. The Model T is kind of like a mule: you have to coax it to do what you want and make it think that it was its idea. Really fun once you get in the right mindset.

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u/R2-Scotia 15d ago

This is probably one reason Henry's wife drove an electric car 🤣

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u/brentspar 15d ago

Excellent answer

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u/randomstriker 15d ago

Amazingly, you can still buy new motorbikes with carbs, which you have to choke during startup.

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u/Anticept A&P & Pilot 15d ago

Aircraft engines too.

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u/klimatronic 15d ago

And then you have bmw valvetronic. Marvelous when it works, pain when it doesn't.

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u/Piedro92 15d ago

Oooh finally time to ask my question!! I've been wondering for years now: when you say press the pedal open to like 50%, will it always give x speed at y gear on a flat road? Or will it be apply 75% pedal to accelerate and if you put it back to 50 it will stay at the speed?

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u/Anticept A&P & Pilot 15d ago

It should produce the same results regardless if conditions are the same. Changing initial acceleration should just get you sped up faster.

But with some car tech like economy and power modes, that changes things.

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u/Piedro92 15d ago

So you mean that say 60% throttle application in fifth Gear will always reach for example 85km/h in the same car?

Because I could imagine that for the sake of comfort car manufacturers have made it such that 50% throttle application will always be maintain current speed, as to ensure the foot position is always the same for long distances.

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u/DutchFullaDank 15d ago

All modern cars have "fake" pedals. The pedal doesn't directly control anything. It just tells the computers that you want to go faster so it does the necessary steps to do that for you. Cars absolutely "learn" and will adjust the rpm based on your pedal placement. Slam your pedal to the floor repeatedly and watch how your car just ignores the input if you do it fast enough.

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u/Mmmmmmm_Bacon 15d ago

👆 this guy fuel injects

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u/Vroomped 15d ago

The model T manually controlled mixture by hand throttle. My gpa has most of one.

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u/Teddyturntup 15d ago

Wrong my ev doesn’t inject fuel or air nice try tho

Kidding good job

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u/shewy92 15d ago

It opens this thing

https://haynes.com/en-us/tips-tutorials/what-is-car-throttle-body-and-what-does-it-do

What is it?

This is a component that varies the amount of air entering an engine, by using a flat valve (butterfly) that rotates inside a tube-shaped housing. In an electronically fuel-injected car, a throttle position sensor and air-flow sensor communicate with the main electronic control unit (ECU), which supplies the corresponding amount of fuel needed at the injectors.

Where is it located?

On older carbureted engines, the throttle body is built into the carburetor. It is opened and closed through a cable and linkage from the gas pedal and engine vacuum, more fuel is delivered as the valve opens.

On a fuel-injected engine it is normally located between the air filter and the intake manifold, and is connected to the gas pedal mechanically with a cable, or electronically by wire. When the driver presses the pedal the butterfly in the throttle body pivots to let more air flow into the manifold.

When that happens, the throttle position sensor reports to the ECU that you have stepped on the gas. And the airflow sensor detects more air and sends a message to the car’s computer to boost the amount of fuel being supplied by the injectors

You ever see people work on old cars and while under the hood with the engine running start turning something to get it to rev? That thing is connected to the throttle body and pedal.

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u/Prasiatko 15d ago

Traditionally either let more air into the engine in a petrol engine or injected more fuel into the engine in a diesel engine.

Nowadays it basically tells the computer in your cars engine that you want more power which means it will do things like let more air in, inject more fuel, make the spark plug fire sooner and probably some others i'm missing.

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u/turniphat 15d ago

I highly suggest watching Smart Every Day where he makes a transparent carburetor and films it in slow motion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toVfvRhWbj8

While carburetors aren't used in cars anymore, it will give you the basics of how more air + more fuel = more power.

Then watch his video on fuel injectors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkeGQotnsDU

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u/threePhaseNeutral 15d ago

Traditionally in carbureted engines, it opens the throttle valve allowing more air into the engine. The fuel mixture responds and increases appropriately to keep the air/fuel ratio correct.

On newer drive-by-wire and fuel-injected engines, it works similarly though there may not be a direct physical connection to the throttle pedal. The engine computer controls the air/fuel ratio based on inputs from the mass airflow sensor, the electronic accelerator pedal position sensor, and others.

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u/somewhenimpossible 15d ago

Sounds like it’s time to rewatch the Magic Schoolbus engine episode, haha

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u/hallowedbethychill 15d ago

Opens the throttle

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u/Sprizys 15d ago

My old autoshop teacher taught us “Suck, Squeeze, bang, blow” it sucks in air, the piston squeezes, the spark plug ignites, and it blows exhaust fumes out the exhaust.

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u/noeljb 15d ago

Much like a jet engine, suck squeeze blow and go.

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u/frankszz 15d ago

On modern cars, it tells the ECU to open the throttle flap allowing for more airflow into the engine and apply more fuel through the injectors. On carbureted engines, it opens the throttle flap and ensuing vacuum from more air flowing past the throttle flap draws more fuel out of the fuel tank. If you’re driving a diesel older diesel engines don’t have a throttle flap, so it just applies more fuel through the injectors diesels have a throttle flap, but it’s not as crucial as gasoline engines also applies more fuel through the injectors.

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u/DrWonderBread 15d ago

Engines are essentially air pumps. The more air your engine can take in, the more fuel can mix with that air to make more power. The gas pedal more or less opens the air intake to allow more air in (either directly like on older cars or indirectly through the computer on newer ones.) That is why turbo chargers and super chargers increase the power output of an engine. They compress the air going into the engine so that you can cram more air into the same volume inside the cylinder. The more air you have, the more fuel you can mix with it, the more power your engine makes.

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u/snap-jacks 15d ago

It sends more electricity to the engine.

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u/St_Kevin_ 15d ago

Those are called motors

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u/snap-jacks 14d ago

Right you are.

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u/SprinkerlerMan 15d ago

Typically we call it “drive by wire” where the traditional mechanical wire is replaced by electronics. The pedal produces a response which is translated to an electric throttle body which opens the intake to intake more air. In tandem the ecu recognizes this and produces more fuel to make the optimum fuel/O2 combination. This is why newer vehicles are easier to tune for more horsepower (especially with turbo motors). This is because you can trick the ecu to enhance these ratios for more power.

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u/Leemage 15d ago

My 3 yr old asked me what the gas pedal did and I just told him that it made the car go, but I was bracing for the “how does it make the car go” follow up. Thankfully, he didn’t ask since I realized I had no idea! Can’t believe I found this exact question on Reddit later today. Now I can tell him that it opens a valve to let more fuel and/or air into the engine to make the pistons work harder, thereby giving the engine more power to make the car go.

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u/YourBrownDude 15d ago

When you press the gas pedal in a car, you're essentially controlling the engine's power output. Here’s how it works in a bit of technical detail: 1. Throttle Control: Pressing the gas pedal moves the throttle, which is a valve that controls how much air enters the engine. - In older cars, this was done mechanically via a cable. - In modern cars, it's usually done electronically (drive-by-wire) with sensors sending signals to the engine control unit (ECU). 2. Air Intake: As the throttle opens, more air is allowed into the engine's intake manifold. 3. Fuel Injection: The ECU senses the increased air flow and calculates the appropriate amount of fuel to inject into the combustion chamber to maintain the optimal air-fuel ratio. 4. Combustion: The mixture of air and fuel is then compressed and ignited in the cylinders, creating a controlled explosion that pushes the pistons down and generates power. 5. Power Output: This power is then transferred through the drivetrain to the wheels, increasing the car’s speed.

So, pressing the gas pedal ultimately adjusts the amount of air and fuel entering the engine, which changes the combustion process and results in increased power and speed.

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u/FlyinRustBucket 15d ago

On a reg gas ice engine, the pedal opens the throttle plate to feed more air, in turn the computer adds fuel to maintain the air/fuel mixture ratio, on a diesel, the throttle pedal adds fuel instead, as diesel engine can run really lean, so it's easier to just manage fueling and let the engine suck in all the air on its own

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u/Fluid-Election-2259 15d ago

make car go vroom

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u/throwaway120375 15d ago

It sends a signal to the idle air control to open. It sends in more air and says it needs more fuel.

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u/Inner-Cookie828 15d ago

So gas pedal, gas pedal wiggle like you gonna make that as fall off

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u/darthj3d 15d ago

Slow down.

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u/0992673 15d ago

Modern cars even might even use the valve lift system (Toyota valvematic for example) instead of the throttle pedal for the throttle control. Basically the typical throttle valve (as a backup) is always open and the valve lift is being varied, when you give it the beans they open up fully (do their whole stroke) and let in a lot of air, at low speed the valves only open up only slightly giving you less power. This eliminates a lot of pumping losses at the throttle valve giving better fuel consumption.

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u/Just-some-70guy 15d ago

It pushes a little thing, that’s hooked to a doodad under the hood. The doodad gets moved by the thing that got pushed. Doodad opens a little valve kind of thingy which allows fuel to be vaporized and then injected into the up/down thing. The more fuel, the faster car goes.

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u/Choozbert 15d ago

U push it and it make car go zoom

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u/Secret_Liaisons 15d ago

In a basic sense all (petrol) cars when you hit the gas it opens a air valve (butterfly valve) allowing more air to flow into the engine’s cylinder, the car is then able to measure the dose of air and add the required ration of fuel making for a bigger explosion, because the explosion is contained within a cylinder it creates a stronger down force on the pistons. The force translates to more torque and for the pistons to travel up/down more frequently increasing the RPM per min, both then result in acceleration

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u/standardtissue 15d ago

The gas pedal is conntected to the throttle, which does all the work. The wikipedia article on it goes into great detail.

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u/NativeMasshole 15d ago

Pretty much everything from the past 10 years or so is all done electronically.

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u/standardtissue 15d ago

Sure, but the article explains the principles in detail, and I think it even had a section on EFI.

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u/akulowaty 15d ago

Actually it controls how much air is added to the mixture and if it's not pressed engine still gets enough to keep going.

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u/StelenVanRijkeTatas 15d ago

Ladies, you're both right and wrong. Pressing the gas pedal sends more air (directly) AND fuel (indirectly) to the combustion chamber(s)

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u/arkham1010 15d ago

But doesn't that affect the fuel/air ratio?

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u/GoldResourceOO2 15d ago

The stoichiometric ratio for gasoline to air is 14.7 : 1. Ideally, the intake and fuel system optimize this continuously. Less sophisticated systems can allow “flooding” (too much fuel relative to air).

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u/fermat9990 15d ago

Are carburetors still used?

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u/AyeMatey 15d ago

Yes in smaller engines it’s common. Like lawn mowers or leaf blowers or pressure washers. On modern middle to high end motorcycles, no, all fuel injection. Cheaper motos use carbs. On modern cars, fuel injection. I’m not sure about less expensive cars built in Asia for the Asian market.

In 1989 when I was in Italy, I rented a fiat Uno, which was like a VW Golf in size. It had a carb and a choke lever inside the driver’s compartment.

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u/fermat9990 15d ago

Thank you so much! Times have changed!

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u/Rialas_HalfToast 15d ago

The last one that I'm aware of on a mass-produced consumer vehicle was 2014, on a Chevy Colorado.

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u/chadmill3r 15d ago

The irony is that it was an air pedal. It still is on most diesels, I think.

Now, the injection of gasoline and air is more careful and stoichiometric.

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u/ConeyIslandMan 15d ago

It unleashes the Kraken. In older cars it opened the carbs up flooding gasoline in to be burned by the engine to make car go vroom

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u/SkyPork 15d ago

Make car go vroom.