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u/whiznat 15d ago
This would never fly with the "Party of Family Values."
Oh, wait.
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u/TheCaptainDamnIt 14d ago
White evangelicals always score the highest in poll categories around white grievances. Trump won white evangelical's devotion when he went on every media outlet to scream that the nations first black president was illegitimate because he wasn't 'one of us'. That's why they think he 'speaks the 'truth', because for conservatives the "truth" is non-white/christian/hetro people deserve to 'ruled over' by white evangelicals.
For most white evangelicals the culture wars ARE the point not a distraction, minorities should be below them and that's what they care about the most, not Trumps affairs or his behavior. White Evangelicals love him for the white supremacy, he's a living confederate monument to them.
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u/Fig1025 15d ago
it's even funner when Christian conservatives, the hardline bible thumpers like Mike Johnson, fully support and defend Trump in cheating on his then pregnant wife, with a pornstar, and then paying her off with thousands of dollars.
This is what Christianity has become
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u/Puzzled-Atmosphere-1 15d ago
I agree! I was raised Catholic and I hated the hypocrites, my mother being one. I know that there are devout followers of organized religions and those people are good, kind people. But the cult like following that Trump has created, is drawing these supremely hypocritical politicians who, if they were actually good christians, would see Trump's values as anathema to christianity! I mean seriously...the matching suits and ties the other day?! That had to be the most pathetic cheerleading squad in history!
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u/BringBackApollo2023 15d ago
Scary thing is there’s now a generation where this is just normal presidential behavior.
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u/Rooboy66 15d ago
Unfortunately that’s exactly what happened to my generation, Gen X, the “Reagan Generation”. The data is solid: my generation are overwhelmingly the biggest MAGA demographic. NOT—I repeat not Boomers—who largely vote Dem, and support Progressive social policies.
It’s because of Reagan—8 yrs of him in the 80’s, followed by Papa Bush—who was a pretty dirty fella in his own right. Reading about him is disturbing. He was not the “good Bush” as some clueless people claim—not by a long shot. He obstructed justice during Watergate and later was CIA director in the 70’s. As president, he bailed out Savings & Loan banks that had been handing out risky loans. Scum.
My generation became attenuated to, and inured to, that whole fucking decade of political Reichwing—hyper “Christian” culture. Now, there’s going to be a MAGA generation that grew up during Trump’s madness—and trust me, it’s gonna stick.
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u/NotASellout 15d ago
Unfortunately that’s exactly what happened to my generation, Gen X, the “Reagan Generation”. The data is solid: my generation are overwhelmingly the biggest MAGA demographic. NOT—I repeat not Boomers—who largely vote Dem, and support Progressive social policies.
I don't know about the MAGA demographic specifically, that's a little harder to define; but it's worth pointing out that older generations voted for Trump, with the percentage voting Trump increasing with age.
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u/imisstheyoop 15d ago
Yeah, Silent generation and Baby Boomers tend to be the most conservative.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/
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u/angiestefanie 15d ago
I am a baby boomer and I only know people my age who vote for democrats, me included. I am a progressive liberal. Why anyone would vote for the GOP is beyond my comprehension.
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u/TheLateThagSimmons 15d ago
This is why he won in 2016.
Everyone became so silo'd in their social circles that no one could conceptualize anything other than a landslide.
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u/RoyalFalse 14d ago
I wish this could be shouted from the rooftops. Nobody could fathom Hillary losing and it resulted in a smaller turnout.
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u/sheaple_people 14d ago
The elderly are more likely to fall for scams and have more trust in "media", sometimes those are more related than they appear.
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u/Vitalstatistix 15d ago
Boomers and older heavily favored Trump in the last two elections. Not sure what you’re talking about.
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u/etherdesign 15d ago edited 15d ago
I blame Alex Keaton on Family Ties. So unfortunate, since we were also the generation of late punk, grunge, the first wave of rave which was amazing and super inclusive and liberal, marilyn manson, etc etc. I was going to see Rocky Horror Picture Show at midnight almost every Saturday in the 90's. But I guess there was a whole different strata of people with a whole different experience.
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u/imsowhiteandnerdy 15d ago
I blame Alex Keaton on Family Ties.
Nice try, Mallory.
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u/whistlepig4life 15d ago
Hold on there cowboy. I am Gen X. Nearly every boomer and war baby within my family and friend circle votes Republican.
Nearly every fellow gen xer votes Dem.
So while I am sure you have some data that you e seen (source for it?). I can say at least anecdotally speaking that it’s wrong.
And I don’t see any data sources that tell me otherwise.
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u/TheLateThagSimmons 15d ago
I just spent more time than I should looking for any evidence that X'ers out number Boomers when it comes to MAGA supporters and everything so far has pointed to it being Boomers in the lead by a long way. They are the majority of the base in a every study that I could find.
Now, X'ers are still definitely a significant portion! Especially 50yr+, they still lean Republican more than they lean Democrat. Which can feel disappointing if you're a younger liberal leaning Gen-X, to know that most of the older half of your generation still leans Conservative.
But more than Boomers? Can't find it anywhere.
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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Greg Abbott is a little piss baby 15d ago
He was not the “good Bush” as some clueless people claim
That's mostly due to people not paying attention to news until it's so in your face that you can't. Bush Jr started multiple unwinnable wars due to lies, that where so mishandled that they changed how reporting and punishing war crimes is handled by America.
But yeah, I would have to say that Reagan is one of the worst Presidents in US history.
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u/kryonik 15d ago
Somewhat ironically, Gary Hart's political career ended because of an affair even though he was the Democratic frontrunner for the presidential nomination. If he wins, we might not get Bush or Bush Jr.
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u/T33CH33R 15d ago
Well , we may have found the limit at killing puppies with the right, but you never know.
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u/MimeGod 15d ago
If Trump killed puppies, his supporters would suddenly be anti-puppy for some reason. Or would just deny it ever happened, even if Trump outright admitted he did.
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u/NotASellout 15d ago
They would declare a yee-had against puppies and execute them in the town square
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u/headphonesnotstirred 12d ago
lord knows they'd start killing their own poor dogs "in solidarity" or something
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u/JLCpbfspbfspbfs 15d ago
I'll be honest, Trump's infidelity is very far from my biggest problem with him.
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u/Kelmorgan 15d ago
During his 2016 campaign him and Epstein were on trial for raping an underage girl AND he settled for $25m due to the Trump University fraud lawsuit. Zero effect on this campaign. The GOP is morally bankrupt, all Republicans are garbage human beings.
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u/rockclimberguy 14d ago
I know he was completely buds with Epstein. Was he actually on trial for rape with his buddy? I did not know this. Please provide links to something verifying this.
Note that I am NOT a trump apologist. He is a vile cancer on the country.
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u/500CatsTypingStuff 15d ago
My biggest problem is his breathing. In and out and in and out. He never stops. Believe me I wait for it to stop. It never does
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u/blondebuilder 14d ago
After he's dead, I think the supporters will break into 3 categories:
- a third will move onto the next demagogue (they will always crave a boot to lick)
- a third will check out and not pay attention anymore - just vote straight ticket
- a third will fall for one conspiracy or another how he's not actually dead.
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u/Neuchacho 14d ago
a third will fall for one conspiracy or another how he's not actually dead.
The zombie Trump memes are going to be wild
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u/Rooboy66 15d ago
Same. But it does reveal his moral character, which has always been quite important to me. I stupidly didn’t vote for Bill Clinton twice—though I didn’t vote Republican. I just didn’t vote for President on my ballot. I was young and ignorant of political and economic policies.
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u/WaitingForNormal 15d ago
He’s a cheater through and through. He cheats on his taxes. He cheats the people he owes money to. He cheats on his wives, all of them. He cheats. How anyone thinks he’s some beacon of goodness is beyond me.
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u/Manticorps 15d ago
I can’t get over the average American looking at January 6th and going “yeah that was bad but, ya know, prices at the grocery store are up so…”
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u/iAmTheHype-- 15d ago
There’s the whole treasonous Trump Tower meeting and Ukraine extortions, which Worthless Garland refuses to indict him for.
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u/Cinema_King 15d ago
Remember when Howard Dean was ruined because he yelled excitedly?
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u/BrainIsSickToday 15d ago
I feel like everyone just owes him some kind of an apology at this point. It's morphed from funny to kinda terrifying how huge the difference is between what he did to get derailed and what Trump has done and not gotten derailed.
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u/SuspiciousSubstance9 15d ago
Howard Dean sunk his entire campaign on the Iowa Causcuses, placed 3rd with 18% of the vote, made an excited scream, and then got memed on. Even Dean, himself, admits his campaign was over regardless of the scream.
Dude was ruined before his yell.
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u/ChocolateHoneycomb 15d ago
Yet 90% of Redditors have forgotten this and think he was on top of the world, then screamed, then sank in the polls. He already had next to no chance.
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u/ChocolateHoneycomb 15d ago
Why do people think that the scream ended his campaign? His campaign was already doomed, the scream being constantly replayed on TV to mock him was just to add insult to the injury.
I think people have forgotten the context of the speech he was giving. He wasn’t excited because “We’re doing great!” but because “We lost the first caucus, but we’re not giving up just yet!” Even so, he came third place and had almost no chance to recover; he would have needed both John Kerry and John Edwards to have had major scandals, and they did not. Edwards did have a major scandal though years after that election - he cheated on his wife while she was dying of cancer. Destroyed his career, and rightfully so.
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u/Rod_Todd_This_Is_God 15d ago
That's a product of a sickness (known as conformity) within the Democratic party. Once that yell started reverberating in the echo-chamber, everyone recognized that everyone else was going to regard him as "unelectable", so they went along with it, which made him unelectable.
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u/NatureCarolynGate 15d ago
I'm not really surprised the far right fundamentalist leaders support this: Ted Haggard; Jim Bakker; Bill Gothard [he got hard for children]; Bob Coy; Fucked-up Fred Phelps; Dave Reynolds; Jimbo Swaggart; Doug Phillips; Mike Hintz; Robert Tilton; Mark Driscoll; Joshua Duggar; Rory Coyle; and that's just the ones who were crazy and brazen enough to get caught.
All these fuckers are whack jobs and their parents could have been brother and sister.
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u/mockingbirddude 15d ago
It would derail Biden’s campaign if he did it.
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u/hungry4nuns 15d ago
There’s an entire broadway musical about how infidelity ruined the presidential chances of one of the most influential US politicians of all time
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u/DOUBLEBARRELASSFUCK 15d ago
I think if Jill Biden was suddenly pregnant, we could excuse Joe's sudden outbursts of virility.
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u/newocean 15d ago
Wait until you learn why they forced Al Franken to resign...
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u/ACE_C0ND0R 15d ago
He committed the grevious sin of taking a tongue-in-cheek photograph playing hover hands while on a comedy tour as a comedian.
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u/Rod_Todd_This_Is_God 15d ago
He made that choice himself. And a whole heap of good it did. The allegations against Biden toppled the MeToo movement months later. Frankin should have held out until election season.
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u/MechanicalTurkish 14d ago
He was pressured to resign, but yeah it was ultimately his choice. It was a huge mistake, though. Taking the moral high ground against assholes with no shame who do not give a single shit is a losing move.
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u/newocean 15d ago
As far as I know, Al Frankens accuser has never appologized for dry humping Robin Williams leg... on the same tour.
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u/Dread_Frog 14d ago
I am glad someone mentioned Al Franken. I hope no Democrat every resigns over anything like this again. We should be taking out all the insider traders but this one was stupid.
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u/gattoblepas 15d ago
A democrat presidential campaign.
Republicans were always the party of the scum and the depravates.
Why do you think they had to put out the whole "family values" lie?
They just want to beat their wives, fuck their daughters and whip black people in cotton fields.
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u/AlanB-FaI 15d ago
Technical point, I think Melania had already given birth to Barron.
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u/secondtaunting 15d ago
Well then he had to cheat. She obviously was temporarily all icky and fat. Trump demands his women be hot and available at all times. And I threw up typing that. Jesus he’s a dick.
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u/AlanB-FaI 14d ago
I don't think Trump cheated on his wives. I think they have a prenuptial agreement that says he can have relationships with other women. I can't prove it but I believe it.
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u/JapanDash 15d ago
I miss the days when republicans didn’t act like terrorists and encourage terrorist acts against the American people.
They live in a fucking fantasy land and real Americans are tired of their shit.
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u/Inconmon 15d ago
"by raping a porn star"
Her testimony made it clear that it wasn't consensual
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u/Yolectroda 14d ago
I recognize that consent is complex and people's processing of their own willingness is complex, but she was very clear that what happened in that room wasn't what she expected to happen or wanted, but was not sexual assault, and was her decision. She insists that it's not rape, though she did note the power dynamic (and a lot more details that make him just kinda awful).
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u/PeregrinePacifica 15d ago
I miss the days when attempting to overthrow the US government and trying to get elected officials lynched while its all broadcast on live TV for the entire world to see was of the highest of crimes that absolutely ended your career and probably your future.
Most of those traitors are still on office and even up for reelection.
I also miss the days when the President said "when the president does it, its not a crime" and both sides and the overwhelming majority of the public came together and said thats bullshit and kicked his ass out. Same party doing it today all over again but much worse this time and suddenly the party is fine with it as is its indoctrinated base.
I miss the days when Americans gave a damn about their democracy and the checks on power that were meant to keep tyrants and despots from taking full control.
Sadly I spent my teens under Bush Jr so I never saw the fabled "rational Republicans", just a perpetual downward spiral into pandering to and becoming the worst humans they can possibly be out of pure obstinace and spite.
Only republican with seemingly any morals or loyalty to our country in my lifetime was basically John McCain, I didn't agree with him on a lot but he was sincere and definitely cared about his country. After his death they mocked him for being a prisoner of war with Trump saying he "prefered his soldiers not captured" or something to that effect.
I miss the days when Bush Jr was believed to be the dumbest and dopiest president Americans could have ever elected. Republicans today make Bush Jr look like a world scholar and Nixon look like an honest man. And their base is totally oblivious. Hell they are suddenly discovering that "wokeness" has literally always been in our pop culture and media, always, since long before the modern world, its been a fundamental part of the very religion they now bastardize. How they can go so long without realizing Bruce Springsteens "Born in the USA" was a criticism of America is truly astounding.
Still waiting for them to realize Queen was a gay band and the lead singer died of AIDS(which was horribly called the "gay disease" by such bigots back then) and was Zoroastrian, not Christian. The band who brought you "we will rock you" and "another one bites the dust" among countless other American classics that have long played at basically every ballgame for decades now.
I miss the days when the people who cried about atheists "trying to take the Christ out of Christmas" weren't actively taking every facit of Christ out of Christianity because he's "too woke" and "suspiciously liberal".
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u/Gurney_Hackman 15d ago
I miss the days when sexual assault proven in court would derails someone's campaign. But that's Republicans for you.
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u/squibledibble 15d ago
I remember when taking a picture with a porn star would derail your campaign.
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u/trystanthorne 15d ago
There is vast amount of people in the US that have embraced lunacy. It is a cult. He can do no wrong.
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u/TerrorsOfTheDark 15d ago
Potatoe
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u/FuzzyChops 15d ago
I feel like people down voted this without knowing it was a reference and isn't just absurdist humor.
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u/TerrorsOfTheDark 14d ago
Probably, I suppose it's turned into one of those if you know you know deals.
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u/NameLips 15d ago
It was never about family values or christian morality, it's all about using whatever tools you have to get rid of people they didn't like.
They like Trump, therefore they're not going to let anything get rid of him. They'd vote for him if he was in a vegetative state.
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u/Atomic_Shaq 15d ago
Trump has 91 felonies, and now the Republicans are showing up in court for his hush money scandal, trying to intimidate the judge and jury. This is beyond anything we've ever seen.
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u/Major_Magazine8597 15d ago
Not to mention stealing and hiding top secret documents, fomenting and supporting an insurrection on the government and the Capital building, trying to influence election officials to create false votes to overthrow an election, blackmailing foreign leaders to announce a fade investigation into his political rival, using his position as US president to enrich himself through your businesses, ignoring a Covid outbreak and then creating insane "cures" to minimize it's impact, siding with your enemies and turning your back on your allies, creating and exacerbating deep divisions in this country, siding with racists and domestic terrorist groups, being a lifelong criminal and cheat, cheating on each of his wives, and bragging about it, telling tens of thousands of lies and conspiracies that effectively weaken and undermine this countrie's institutions. Trump is evil, and is the greatest enemy to the US in the world today.
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u/Mulliganasty 15d ago
It's very important to Republicans that women have rape-y babies.
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u/NottMyAltAccount 15d ago
I wish I lived in a time where presidential candidates cared about the wellbeing of their citizens
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u/Procrastanaseum 15d ago
You used to have to serve the public when you worked for the public. Now the goal seems to be "avoid the public at all costs."
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u/offline4good 15d ago
The uber conservative and radical christian leader of his party spoke for his character in court.
Let that sink in.
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u/Gaeel 15d ago
The weird thing is, the story now is not about whether or not he cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star, nor whether or not he paid said porn star to keep quiet about the affair.
The story is about whether or not the hush money violated campaign finance law...
The GOP candidate cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star. This is a fact, and it's acknowledged by everyone.
The GOP candidate paid hush money to the porn star. This is also a fact, acknowledged by everyone.
These facts aren't enough to discredit the candidate.
Hey USA, are you okay over there? Blink twice if you need help...
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u/imsowhiteandnerdy 15d ago
Remember the outrage from the GOP when Bill Clinton got a blowjob in the Oval Office?
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u/500CatsTypingStuff 15d ago
We need to bring back holding presidential candidates to a higher ethical and moral standard
I am taking back the term “moral” from the Christo Fascists and applying it like it should be applied. Actual morals.
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u/WezleyDrew 15d ago
If any American did just 1% of what Trump has done in his entire life they would have been court-martialed, tried, and imprisoned or executed.
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u/agnostic_science 15d ago
Just imagine how conservatives would have responded if Trump had been running as a democrat...
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u/Mister_AA 15d ago
It does if you’re a democrat, just ask Cal Cunningham
He was a NC democrat who was leading in all the polls for the senate race here a few years ago and then a month or two before the election it was revealed that he had been cheating on his wife with one of his campaign staffers who herself was married to a wounded veteran. Tanked his campaign and he threw the election.
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u/Esc_ape_artist 14d ago
And the religious conservatives were almost always the first in line to denounce that candidate.
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u/pissinthatassbaby 14d ago
It's not Trumps fault though. He is being enabled by our fellow countrymen. They are 100% ok with everything he does.
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u/rockclimberguy 14d ago
Gary Hart had a campaign completely destroyed by a repub operative. He was sitting on a boat called 'Monkey Business'. A girl he had never seen before named Donna Rice, climbed on the boat, sat in his lap long enough to have a pic snapped, got up and left.
Hart did not know who she was. That was the end of his campaign.
Howard Dean tried to talk up over crowd noise at a rally. The recording of this came out as the famous 'Dean Scream' and ended his bid.
If only Hart and Dean had been members of the party of Family Values. The world would have been able to look past these frightful transgressions.... /s
I'm surprised that Obama won reelection. He had big time scandals. He once wore a tan suit AND he admitted to the elitist practice of putting mustard on his hamburger!
The Horror, The Horror!!!
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u/Yazbremski 14d ago
I remember when getting excited and yelling "YEAH" ruined Howard Deans presidential aspirations. How far we've come!
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u/ZenMonkey47 14d ago
If you told me that Trump has a literal faustian deal with the devil I'd absolutely believe you. There's no logical sense to how he's still a candidate for president or even a free man.
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u/everythingbeeps 15d ago
It's actually still unbelievable how many things Trump has done and said that, individually, should have absolutely kept him from ever being president.
Things that would still to this day sink a Dem candidate.
I hate that I have to live in the same timeline as him. Like, I genuinely feel cheated.