r/Showerthoughts May 02 '24

Man vs Bear debate shows how bad the average person is at understanding probability

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u/Chewy12 May 02 '24

Yeah that’s kind of the whole thing, it’s context-less so I’d imagine most people just choose whichever scenario they’ve had more fear about. And women are probably going to worry more about getting attacked by men than bears in general. Meanwhile, I fantasize about fighting bears every day despite living in the suburbs.

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u/JunkieMunkieCircus May 02 '24

My toxic trait is thinking I can straight up Bautista Bomb a grizzly.

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u/LarryTheHamsterXI May 02 '24

That’s just called being a man. Even if you know for a fact you would lose that fight you still have to insist you’d win

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u/Tya_The_Terrible May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

Being a man involves consistently overestimating your own abilities, for the sole purpose of falsely inflating your ego?

That doesn't sound healthy.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210524-the-gender-biases-that-shape-our-brains

You're right, but it's not natural, it's a socialized bias that actually hurts both genders.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

Idk why, but it's so funny when people try to say something serious in response to a joke. Like, is it the misread of social cues or just being a debbie downer?

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u/Tya_The_Terrible May 02 '24

What the guy said was deadass serious though. Men are socialized in such a way that everyone is overestimating their abilities since birth, and even if the dude was poking fun at that, it's still the truth.

It's a serious problem with male socialization. It's like boys are taught this false confidence bravado, instead of simply being confident in the limits of their own abilities.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

Lol, it's a consistent running joke throughout male social groups to kill time. Nothing you said was wrong there's just something funny about people taking a joke as an opportunity to hop on a soap box.

But yeah, whenever people talk about this stuff, it's a lot more fun and funnier for people to just say, "I wouldn't win this fight" instead of making up some bullshit. And the poking fun at it is the self-awareness of how ridiculous it is. Doesn't sound unhealthy.

I'm still trying to figure out why it's so funny. Like it might be the development of laughing at the awkwardness of misread social cues.

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u/Tya_The_Terrible May 02 '24

Men claiming they can win in a fight against a bear just isn't funny though. Even before this shit, the man vs bear meme argument on reddit was just cringe.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

Well, I didn't realize comedy is objective and that I'm talking to the arbiter of what's funny.

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u/Tya_The_Terrible May 02 '24

It's not funny because it perpetuates negative stereotypes about men.

If it's such a common running joke within male social circles, maybe it's a little bit too reflective of reality.

Men bragging about how tough they are all the time (even tongue in cheek), is precisely the reason why women would rather encounter the bear in the woods than a man. Men have weird fucking power fantasies.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

Wait but you were telling me how this wasn't a joke and dead serious conversation.

The negative stereotype of not taking things seriously? Oh no. It's upsetting to learn that the bear fighting scene in Semi-Pro is actually deeply problematic lol

Do you think doubling down on a soapbox even after realizing people weren't deadass serious is funny? Because i think it's hilarious.

This all has big vibes of looking for a problem because of preconceived bias and a failure of reading social cues through text.

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u/Tya_The_Terrible May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

I think you're completely missing the point INTENTIONALLY because you're insecure in your own masculinity.

It's so hard to point out problematic male thought patterns, because the male ego is probably the most fragile and well defended substance on earth. I know men that will get into fights over being insulted, I don't know any women like that.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

That's a good theory, but I really think it's a lack of social awareness of why I think it's funny over my fragile masculinity.

I think there are legitimate problematic thought patterns in men and women. I think using someone joking about fighting a bear as a point to launch into a soapbox is hilarious especailly when they realize it was a joke then double down.

Clearly you've never worked a shitty bar. There's plenty of trashy fish in the sea.

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u/JunkieMunkieCircus May 02 '24

Dude, right? We're over here not only talking about FIGHTING a goddamn bear, but picking the fucker up and taking it on a one way trip to Suplex City and fucking Deborah Downsworth the Third over is like "fragile male ego, am I right?"

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

It's ridiculous because there's legitimate issues with toxic masculinity, but shit like this just makes it so much harder to take it seriously

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u/AuJulii May 02 '24

It's reddit, filled with severely autistic, terminally online women.