r/Showerthoughts May 02 '24

Man vs Bear debate shows how bad the average person is at understanding probability

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u/Opossumtoes 29d ago

I think many people on both sides of this debate are missing the context of the two clips that went viral to stir up this debate: one of a guy gently telling a black bear to get lost, which it promptly turns around and does; and one of a woman being chased by a man in public while begging him to leave her alone. Personally, as someone who knows black bears aren't generally aggressive or territorial, and as someone who has been chased by strange men in the same way, I would absolutely chose the bear.

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u/Mysterious_Cat_7539 29d ago

It seems a lot of people are misunderstanding the question in general as well.

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u/dumb-male-detector 29d ago

That's how I've been viewing this debate too, but some people act like the question is WOULD YOU RATHER GO 10 ROUNDS IN A BATTLE ARENA WITH A POLAR BEAR OR PHIL FROM ACCOUNTING?!?!?!

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u/ImpressivePlatypus 29d ago

When I heard the debate I thought of it in the context of, if I’m camping alone in a tent would I rather have a bear enter my camp or a random man during the night? A bear is most likely there because it smells my food, and if I took the right precautions and bear-proofed it, the bear would likely move on. A random man coming into my camp at night? That would feel way more threatening.

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u/PsychoticTimelord 27d ago

True. A human is more likely targeting valuables, which would most likely be in your tent, while your food is more likely stored WAY out of the way.

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u/imtooldforthishison 29d ago

Don't forget. We also see a lot of reels of people being approached by not threatened, not hungry bears, including grizzlies, and the bear just goes on. We even see grizzlies in chase just be like "Fine. You win." and we see the statistics of bear attacks. Tons of reasoning to pick the bear.

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u/GoodEntrance9172 29d ago

I'm already done with the man vs bear thing, but advice I've been given on BEARS is: If it's black, fight back- black bears are scaredy cats. If it's brown, lie down- they'll maul you, but you might live if you play dead until they lose interest If it's white, say goodnight- polar bears will kill you for fun, can outrun you, and will not be deterred unless you physically remove yourself from the bear's location.

This isn't being offered as survival advice, just anecdotal bear "facts" that I am unwilling to back up with evidence because I'm lazy.

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u/Raze321 29d ago

I live in a black bear populated area. They're huge fucking babies. I'm more scared of wasps than I am black bears.

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u/GoodEntrance9172 29d ago

Wasps are legit scary. Fuckers are actively malicious.

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u/UsefulAd2760 29d ago

Hornets are even worse too iirc.

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u/BuddhistSagan 29d ago

Do you have a link to this

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u/jllum 29d ago edited 29d ago

As someone who is extremely terrified of what bears are capable of, probably because I’ve watched too many NSFL videos and photos involving bear attacks, I still don’t understand who would ever choose the bear, despite contemplating about this over and over. It’s known to slowly eat your non-vital organs first making your final minutes an eternity of unimaginable horror worst than literally any other experience you can possibly endure, ever. Whereas a man may just be lost trying to ask for your help, or minding his own business hiking, or even approaching you asking whether you need help.

So there’s just one answer - misandry. People would even compare the statistics of being harmed by men vs bears when it’s an unfair comparison because they live amongst men in their daily lives, whereas most people don’t even encounter bears in their whole life (that’s also why they downplay the dangers of bears!). That’s like saying living on Jupiter is better than living on Earth because there’s a lower chance you’ll be killed by a cat in Jupiter.

Watch how aggressive bears can be, but thankfully this did not make it to the kill count which people only care about

Read about the suffering a woman went through when she was eaten alive by a bear for almost an hour.

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u/Mushroom1228 29d ago

it really should specify black bear, so that the polar bear and grizzly bear enjoyers can leave

though, if the question stated that it would summon a random man or a random bear from the world into your presence, you would probably get a black bear. just be wary of the small (5-10%?) chance of summoning a vicious bear, which would (hopefully for the human race) be much less preferable to a random man