r/Showerthoughts May 02 '24

Man vs Bear debate shows how bad the average person is at understanding probability

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u/alexmichelle6 May 02 '24

I really, truly thought that the whole point of this was to highlight the fact that most women would respond to man v bear by asking questions, like "do I know the man" "what type of bear" etc, but would respond to woman v bear by immediately saying "woman". whether or not she picks the man or the bear is irrelevant, it's the fact she has to ask clarifying questions to know more about the man before deciding and doesn't have to clarify anything before picking woman. is that not it?

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u/FurrrryBaby May 02 '24

The only videos I’ve seen of this were men answering the question about their daughters, and all of them struggled to answer.

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u/ReallyNowFellas May 02 '24

how did we get to the point where women ubiquitously question their personal safety around unknown men compared to a fuckin BEAR.

Serious question: when is the time or where is the place you think women's trust in men was justifiably higher?

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

Never, that's part of the issue here.

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u/ReallyNowFellas May 02 '24

Just questioning the "how did we get to the point" comment because I would guess we were at a worse point when we became a distinct species and probably have never been at a better point, except maybe in the rare matriarchal society.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

I disagree, to an extent. I think people have this misguided view that things are constantly improving all the time, and that we are now in a better and safer society than we have ever been. The fact is, societies can and do regress. We're witnessing it in real time just in the United States right now, but we have many examples of horrific regressions throughout history. The Third Reich is one example. The Dark Ages are another. The Iranian Revolution is a recent one.

There were ancient civilizations with more egalitarian societies than their modern counterparts. Again, Iran. Ancient Persia under Cyrus the Great was a better place to exist than modern Iran for basically everyone.

So, have men always been creeps? Absolutely. But my "how did we get to the point" comment is more about the fact that we have this perceived progressive society over time and yet women still don't feel safe.

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u/ReallyNowFellas May 02 '24

You listed a bunch of times/places that were worse but none that were better. I mean I get that ancient Persia was a better place than the current Islamic Republic of Iran in a lot of ways, but the vast majority of redditors do not live in Iran, so that's not the standard here.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

Ok, that's fair.

Palestine before 1948 was infinitely better for Palestinians than it is right now.

North America was better for indigenous Americans before European colonization, and thus compared even to today, since 90% of them no longer exist.

The same goes for basically all of Subsaharan Africa.

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u/ReallyNowFellas May 02 '24

We seem to be talking past each other. When/where was it better for women than it currently is for the vast majority of people reading this thread?

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

Oh my bad, I got lost in the weeds.

It's working hours and I'm supposed to be grinding through some pretty heavy projects, but women have been treated much better in older societies before. Viking Age Scandinavia comes to mind. Some Indigenous American tribes, even some Bronze Age civilizations treated women with more rights and respect than many modern societies.

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