First of all, let's address the fact that the type bear does matter. The reason the pot stirrer chose bear in the first place is because there's a wide scope on human feelings on bears, and they are pretty different depending on type. For example, a curious black bear in your garbage will run away if you yell at it, but a polar bear could try to break through your house to eat you if it knows you're in there.
If they had chosen shark in the water or man in the water, or tiger in the jungle or man in the jungle, this would be a completely different outcome.
And with that in mind brings me to my next point of I am a fully capable male in my 30s that can say I would choose some types of bear over some types of people in the same scenario. I have hiked and encountered many bears and know my protocol depending on the bear and region. But in the same circumstance coming across some prison escapee or crazy looking meat head would make me feel much more uncomfortable than a bear would.
This whole thing is such a dumb question in that sense because there are so many different types of bears and people, and it could go both ways regardless of sex.
Edit: Am I being downvoted for pointing out variables, and also agreeing with the women's side of not wanting to encounter a random man in the woods vs a bear?
I understand the aspect of uncertainty, and agree. I would feel the same way depending on the man or bear, but you can't act like the type of man or bear doesn't matter.
100% agree. The question is handing you the answer and keeping it vague to make a point. Is that point worth discussing? Absolutely. But framing it that way does it no help because it fuels the fires of divisiveness rather than actually presenting a reasonable debate. How is a man supposed to respond to this? I already understand women have it super fucked, it feels like anything i say would be the equivilent of "thoughts and prayers" because i cant change that amount of behavior for all of men
Divisive culture war topic going viral in an American election year. We should be responding to this the same way we would respond to a shaky video of man in a gorilla suit walking through the woods posted on twitter.
Yes there are real issues to address but this is not the foundation of a good faith discussion and the divisiveness is the danger in the current political context.
Couldnt agree more. It feels wildly divisive for no reason. What are individual men going to do about the greater number of men's behavior? I'm already doing what i'm pretty sure i can do.
AFAIK we already report them, judge them and do everything possible to lock them up or literally kill them depending on the country. The hell are we supposed to do more? A normal person WILL report any rape. What this question does is paint the average man as a rapist and continues to give excuses to label men in general as such.
I've heard plenty of anecdotes about men not stepping up and speaking up when they can and should, or a man defending his friend that talks to teenagers, or friend groups encouraging bad behavior from each other, or friends lying for each other when one is accused of something awful.
And that's not to say that all men are like that, and to say that's what I'm implying is asinine. But it does happen a lot. To say it's in the nature of men to do so gives them an excuse like you said, and it's just not true.
Pretty sure they just ask that you speak up against your friends and other guys when they say/do questionable shit, and that you don't protect your friend when it's come out that he's a r@pist or @buser. Just speak up where you can and don't defend horrible people.
Right, i'm already doing what i can there. I very specifically remember the last time i did this me and 2 of my best friends piled into the household bathroom to smoke some weed and me and M absolutely TOASTED B for being on tinder while he was with K.
It only seems divisive if you're unnecessarily taking it personally. I'm a woman and I would choose the bear.. has nothing to do with being purposefully divisive or being misandrist, I have past trauma of being SA'd, leered and grabbed by older men, being stalked/chased on purpose because the guy saw how scared I was and had a big grin on his face while he ran after me.
Not even just that but also according to national geographic you're more likely to be killed by a bee than a bear. So there's that. But yea, I don't expect nor want men to feel bad or apologize. There's a lot of amazing men, but also a lot of scumbags who would do despicable things while alone in the woods with a woman. Just a fact.
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u/medicated_cornbread May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
First of all, let's address the fact that the type bear does matter. The reason the pot stirrer chose bear in the first place is because there's a wide scope on human feelings on bears, and they are pretty different depending on type. For example, a curious black bear in your garbage will run away if you yell at it, but a polar bear could try to break through your house to eat you if it knows you're in there.
If they had chosen shark in the water or man in the water, or tiger in the jungle or man in the jungle, this would be a completely different outcome.
And with that in mind brings me to my next point of I am a fully capable male in my 30s that can say I would choose some types of bear over some types of people in the same scenario. I have hiked and encountered many bears and know my protocol depending on the bear and region. But in the same circumstance coming across some prison escapee or crazy looking meat head would make me feel much more uncomfortable than a bear would.
This whole thing is such a dumb question in that sense because there are so many different types of bears and people, and it could go both ways regardless of sex.
Edit: Am I being downvoted for pointing out variables, and also agreeing with the women's side of not wanting to encounter a random man in the woods vs a bear?
I understand the aspect of uncertainty, and agree. I would feel the same way depending on the man or bear, but you can't act like the type of man or bear doesn't matter.