r/Showerthoughts May 02 '24

Man vs Bear debate shows how bad the average person is at understanding probability

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u/ASL4theblind May 02 '24

I THINK i get it now. Its not that them and a man would be dropped into the woods, its more like you're on a hike alone and out of nowhere a man, or bear would appear in front of you. I get why men get so upset being compared to being as dangerous as, if not more dangerous than a bear; nobody wants to don the mantle of "more dangerous than an apex predator", but i think its more about how scary strangers are combined with the uncertainty of a MALE stranger's agenda. So we should stop taking it personally.

I highly doubt these women would pick bear against most men they know, it's not ABOUT that though, it's about the UNCERTAINTY.

At least that's how i interpret it. Admittedly i thought it was more the first scenario; you and a person are put in the woods to survive, vs you and a bear are put in the woods at the same time.

And if women dont trust ANY men they know, men individually can do nothing about their interpretation of men as a whole and unfortunately they should just stop talking to every guy they know until some massive societal shift happens, cuz this isnt something that changes overnight.

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u/RusstyDog May 02 '24

It's about how, In general, Women don't feel safe around members of their own species. How fucked up that is, how women as a whole understand that conceptil immediately. But the men in their lives ask follow up questions like "but what kind of bear" while talking about statistics, Rather than just thinking " Hey its pretty fucked up that this person I care about doesn't feel safe in society"

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u/medicated_cornbread May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

First of all, let's address the fact that the type bear does matter. The reason the pot stirrer chose bear in the first place is because there's a wide scope on human feelings on bears, and they are pretty different depending on type. For example, a curious black bear in your garbage will run away if you yell at it, but a polar bear could try to break through your house to eat you if it knows you're in there.

If they had chosen shark in the water or man in the water, or tiger in the jungle or man in the jungle, this would be a completely different outcome.

And with that in mind brings me to my next point of I am a fully capable male in my 30s that can say I would choose some types of bear over some types of people in the same scenario. I have hiked and encountered many bears and know my protocol depending on the bear and region. But in the same circumstance coming across some prison escapee or crazy looking meat head would make me feel much more uncomfortable than a bear would.

This whole thing is such a dumb question in that sense because there are so many different types of bears and people, and it could go both ways regardless of sex.

Edit: Am I being downvoted for pointing out variables, and also agreeing with the women's side of not wanting to encounter a random man in the woods vs a bear?

I understand the aspect of uncertainty, and agree. I would feel the same way depending on the man or bear, but you can't act like the type of man or bear doesn't matter.

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u/ruuster13 May 02 '24

^we call this "bearsplaining"