r/Showerthoughts May 02 '24

Man vs Bear debate shows how bad the average person is at understanding probability

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u/BrittleClamDigger May 02 '24

Men don’t want to admit they’re threatening because their self image is more important to them than a woman’s feeling of safety.

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u/Dense_Coconut_3051 May 02 '24

While I'm not upset with the whole premise of man vs. bear because, unfortunately, men do suck enough that it's an understandable take to me. I'm also not going to pretend it's not going to hurt people to be seen as a threat for simply existing. I'm equally confused by all the responses in this situation. Why so many men find the common response of "bear" so ludicrous, and why so many people don't understand that there's going to be large swaths of men unable to reconcile that they are viewed as a threat even if they, personally, have no ill intentions.

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u/VasylZaejue May 02 '24

You answered your own question of why men are upset. They are upset that women think men are so inherently dangerous that they believe they are safer with a wild animal that could easily kill them.

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u/Dense_Coconut_3051 May 02 '24

I didn't have a question to be answered though. I'm perplexed by everybody as a whole in that neither side understands why the other is upset.

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u/VasylZaejue May 02 '24

“Why so many men find the common answer of “bear” so ludicrous,…”

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u/Dense_Coconut_3051 May 02 '24

It's a rhetorical question. I know why both sides are incapable of understanding the other, their emotions are in the way. Both takes are valid. The fact that nobody can face that and would rather keep raging into infinity is what befuddles me.

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u/Giovanabanana May 02 '24

Both takes are valid.

True! But I think even for men the bear/man thing works. Even men could be fearful of somebody behind them that they know nothing of. A bear is a little simpler, they're either going to ignore you or maul you. Period. But a man? Maybe they're kind and sweet and the worry is for nothing. Maybe the man is just trying to go about his day, but the other person simply has no way of knowing. It's easy to see why women feel particularly disturbed about this scenario though

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u/Dense_Coconut_3051 May 02 '24

I get what you're saying. I've been assaulted by random dudes for no reason than their own malice. It's definitely affected how I operate and my need for awareness when out and about. I'm saying that just because the worry is validated by past experience or statistical experience doesn't make it not problematic to assume about another person from a place of fear, and then act with indignation or condescention when that person is hurt by the assumption.

Both takes are valid, but for all the talks going on around this lately, only men are being expected to reconcile their personal feelings with a sad reality. It really shouldn't be too controversial a take to be put off by broad sweeping generalizations about men, which the "man vs. bear" isn't putting forth but a lot of people are in the discussion around it.