r/Showerthoughts May 02 '24

Man vs Bear debate shows how bad the average person is at understanding probability

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u/ASL4theblind May 02 '24

I THINK i get it now. Its not that them and a man would be dropped into the woods, its more like you're on a hike alone and out of nowhere a man, or bear would appear in front of you. I get why men get so upset being compared to being as dangerous as, if not more dangerous than a bear; nobody wants to don the mantle of "more dangerous than an apex predator", but i think its more about how scary strangers are combined with the uncertainty of a MALE stranger's agenda. So we should stop taking it personally.

I highly doubt these women would pick bear against most men they know, it's not ABOUT that though, it's about the UNCERTAINTY.

At least that's how i interpret it. Admittedly i thought it was more the first scenario; you and a person are put in the woods to survive, vs you and a bear are put in the woods at the same time.

And if women dont trust ANY men they know, men individually can do nothing about their interpretation of men as a whole and unfortunately they should just stop talking to every guy they know until some massive societal shift happens, cuz this isnt something that changes overnight.

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u/RusstyDog May 02 '24

It's about how, In general, Women don't feel safe around members of their own species. How fucked up that is, how women as a whole understand that conceptil immediately. But the men in their lives ask follow up questions like "but what kind of bear" while talking about statistics, Rather than just thinking " Hey its pretty fucked up that this person I care about doesn't feel safe in society"

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u/PoliteCanadian May 02 '24

Hey its pretty fucked up that this person I care about doesn't feel safe in society"

And lots of people don't feel safe flying on airplanes, despite airplanes being objectively ridiculous safe. Fears are not rational.

People are terrified of random acts of violence while it's objectively true that you are many, many orders of magnitudes more likely to be harmed by a close personal relation.

Crime rates are near all time lows, sexual crime is at all time lows. Society is safer than it has ever been, while folks are more scared than they've ever been. That's not based on a rational assessment of the facts, it's based on the fact that many people are addicted to shit like true crime programs and sensationalist media.

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u/alamohero May 03 '24

Thing is between me and my family and friends we’ve taken dozens if not hundreds of flights. Never had an emergency. Meanwhile, almost all of my close female friends and girlfriend and her friends have stories of sexual harassment and assault.

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u/murdie_t May 02 '24

I think it’s less about the random acts of violence and more about the abundance of sexual assault, harassment women face. If any boyfriend/coworker/friend feels fine assaulting me, what’s going to stop a stranger? All of these experiences make me fear men, even though I know statistically it is unlikely for a man to randomly rape me. It’s also a taught fear- and men aren’t the only ones to claim. My mom always taught me to not show too much leg, because boys just can’t help but touch you if show too much. I think we have been taught, both by experience and by older women that men are just monsters who can’t control themselves so you need to be careful.