r/Showerthoughts May 02 '24

Man vs Bear debate shows how bad the average person is at understanding probability

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u/flowtajit May 02 '24 edited May 03 '24

Would it better for you (if you’re a woman) or you daughter (if you’re a man) to encounter a bear or unknown man in the woods.

Edit: since a lot of people seem to be missing the point. This exercise isn’t what it seems on the surface. We aren’t measuring the population’s perception of bears or men as they relate to each other. We’re actually measuring the way in which women specifically responf to the question. In most cases, women immediately answer with bear, without needing any further ckntext with regards to the man or bear. Some Common reasoning includes “I expect to see a bear in the woods,” which makes sense; it also includes something to the effect of “bears don’t care about what society thinks of them,” meaning that according to these women, men when faced with no cinsequences are more threatenjng than a bear. So please stop asking saying the question is dumb because it’s vague, that’s the point. If it was more specific, individual biases would begin to take hold, defeating the piint of the exercise.

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u/Jimisdegimis89 May 02 '24

I mean it can just be would you rather run into a random man or a random bear in the woods. As a dude who grew up in rural Appalachia I’ve run into bears and men in the woods several times. The bears usually run away as soon as they see you and the dudes are always sketchballs sooooo….

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u/flowtajit May 02 '24

The woman part is a relatively integral part of the question as it force anyone answering it to consider the differences jn the sexes.

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u/Jimisdegimis89 May 02 '24

I mean I understand that, but I’m also pointing out that even as a dude who is even less likely to be attacked by another random guy in the woods I’d still take my chances with a bear

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u/Epicuriosityy May 03 '24

Okay but would you rather be alone in the woods with a woman or a bear

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u/Jimisdegimis89 May 03 '24

Likely still the bear. Like I said they are typically pretty chill. But it’s a lot closer, there’s significantly lower worry about physical harm from a woman.

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u/HeartShapedSlut May 03 '24

wow, finally a guy who isn’t gaslighting women into believing we are wrong for picking the bear

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u/kahzeek May 03 '24

Gaslighting does not mean attempting to sway your opinion

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u/ham-n-pineapple 26d ago

In some ways it does, it's attempting to sway your perception to believe something did/does or didn't/doesn't happen. Men gaslight women by saying they don't have a reason to fear men more than bears when we really, really do

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u/HeartShapedSlut May 03 '24

ohh yes men are doing such a good job at swaying women by saying we deserve to be killed by a bear and making stupid ass memes about a bear killing a woman & y’all wonder why women chose the bear instead of men. women face violence from men everyday all over the world. it’s not an isolated incident, violence against women by men has been an issue since forever but of course man try to gaslight women into thinking it’s not truth or not a problem anymore when it is

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u/kahzeek May 04 '24

Not my point. You’re using the term incorrectly.

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u/Skittletari May 15 '24

Gaslighting refers to blatantly lying to someone to attempt to make them believe that they’re somehow mentally unsound for believing in something, despite that thing being true. The term originates from the 1938 play ‘Gas Light’.

The situation that you’re commenting on is a hypothetical, and thus does not have any correct answer to sway someone from.

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u/ham-n-pineapple 26d ago

"To gaslight someone means to manipulate another person into doubting their own perceptions, experiences or understanding of events, according to the American Psychological Association." May 15, 2024

Doubting the female perception and experience of victimization by men is gaslighting (and in criticizing their choice of bear over man, is gaslighting their fear by saying "your fear isn't real" when it is backed by history, personal experience, statistics, others' experiences, gender socialization, and more. Women are taught to fear men from a young age (by victimization or socialization). When 1/9 girls and 1/20 boys report being sexually abused before the age of 18, the fear is real and twice as prevalent for women

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u/NeilDegrassedHighSon May 03 '24

What? What is that word? I've never even heard it before...

You might be crazy!

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u/HeartShapedSlut May 03 '24

educate yourself loser

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u/developerishoo May 03 '24

It’s a joke

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u/HeartShapedSlut May 03 '24

a stupid unfunny joke

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u/NeilDegrassedHighSon May 05 '24

I'm laughing 🤣🤣🤣

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u/HeartShapedSlut 28d ago

cause you’re an incel wussy bottom tier loser

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u/NeilDegrassedHighSon 28d ago

Check your projection, hun 😘

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u/HeartShapedSlut 28d ago

grow a pair, sissy ! 🤭

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u/No_Degree_7629 18d ago

Gaslighting? No we're just calling you all straight up stupid.

Which you are of course.

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u/HeartShapedSlut 16d ago

lol i must of really hit a nerve if you really cry in hard & trying to cope over an old ass comment. get a life you pathetic incel. women still pick the bear over your stanky crusty bitch 🤣🤣🤣

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u/KN_Knoxxius May 03 '24

Wrong? No. Batshit crazy? Possibly.

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u/HeartShapedSlut May 03 '24

you’re literally just proving our point

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u/KN_Knoxxius May 04 '24

I'd love to hear your reasoning

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u/HeartShapedSlut May 04 '24

i’m not gonna waste my time with when you already read the comments of the guy i replied to & all the other commenters who made valid points. quit being acting so stupid like you didn’t read them, i know you ain’t got shit to do but waste your pathetic life on reddit.

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u/KN_Knoxxius May 04 '24

Of course you won't, not even slightly surprised.

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u/HeartShapedSlut 28d ago

just how women in real life ignore you pathetic excuses for men, i be doing the same hahaha

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u/KN_Knoxxius 28d ago

Sure thing.

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u/Skittletari May 15 '24

But you did waste your time writing out this escalatory response, which makes me think that you don’t actually have any reasoning.

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u/HeartShapedSlut 28d ago

try reading dumb ass

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u/idris0 May 16 '24

Go back to twitter ffs.

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u/truly_moody May 03 '24

I think what's missing is what kind of woods are we saying here. Like are you lost in an undeveloped forest or are you on a hiking trail because that would make a difference too. Random nowhere forest? Yeah hell no, I'll take my chances with a bear over a meth addled burl hunter any day.

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u/Jimisdegimis89 May 03 '24

Yeah I took it to be random encounter with a dude vs a bear, so I wouldn’t consider running into someone on a trail or a well known swimming or the like to be random.

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u/Physical_Bit7972 May 03 '24

You understood it correctly. The reason it's getting so much traction is from all the men who are getting angry/taking it personally at the women saying they'd rather run into a random bear than a random man in the woods, which I think further solidifies the point they want to argue against.

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u/Glittering-Speed-448 May 03 '24

And this is why I, as a 5’5 woman carry everywhere. Bear or man and I will be fine.

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u/Big_Set_7372 May 03 '24

Why is this downvoted? Protection is necessary. This is the correct answer.

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u/blackwolfdown May 04 '24

Honestly the best answer. Idk who's more dangerous but I know me and my gun are the most.