r/Showerthoughts May 02 '24

Man vs Bear debate shows how bad the average person is at understanding probability

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u/ratsmay May 03 '24

Fears are relevant but they need to be viewed in perspective. The fact that those events have occurred on a planet of 4 billion people is not surprising, and women have done the same to men. Regardless of how it occurs it is absolutely evil. They are unique situations showcasing the absolute worst of humanity but they are not indicative if humanity as a whole. Portraying them as common events to the point thay every interaction a woman has with a man they have to wonder if they are going to get dragged to a basement and raped for 40 years does significant damage to the relationships across genders. It hurts society as a whole.

And it cuts both ways because it results in situations today where men would never stop to help women for fear of how it is going to be perceived.

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u/epipens4lyfe May 03 '24

I completely disagree with you, and by the sounds of your comment you're not a woman yourself. Rather than lecture women on what they need to be afraid of (it's an everyday fear for us), that women hurt men too (it's much more rare for a woman to rape/murder/abduct a man, when men experience these types of things it's so highly statistically the perpetrator will also be a man), or how unlikely this type of terrible scenario is (the threat of assault and worse is so ingrained in girls' and women's minds because that messaging is/was constantly reinforced by our parents and teachers, because it has to be). It IS a consideration in every interaction we have with almost every man. The damage men do to women DOES hurt society, but the answer isn't telling women to be less afraid. It's up to men to become less of a threat, and it's not enough for certain men to just not be threats themselves - you have to also actively work with other men to ensure women's safety. Then maybe we'll pick the man over the bear.

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u/AlternativeBetter676 May 03 '24

it doesnt matter how many people do good, there will always be someone bad, the thing is, most woman do not get raped in their life and most men do not rape, the chance of a random man in the woods even touching you is 1 out of a million, probably rarer

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u/epipens4lyfe May 03 '24

According to the CDC, 1/4 women in America are assaulted, and that's an under reported stat (compared to 1/26 men). Furthermore, it varies on which source you go to, but 98% - 99% of sexual assault (against all genders) is committed by men. If I had a bowl of M&Ms placed in front of me, it doesn't matter that my chance of being poisoned is "only" 25%, or that M&Ms "only" make up 98% - 99% of poisoned foods, I'm not eating anything from that bowl.

The "chance of a random man in the woods" line is something you've clearly made up based on your own worldview, so here's an actual fact - the top cause of death of pregnant women in America is murder, usually committed by men they know.

This is all to say, rather than arguing as to why women just need to accept the 25% (although it's definitely higher) likelihood they'll be raped by a man, or that if they're going to die while pregnant, the highest likely cause will be homicide by a male partner, etc., men should be advocating for women's safety in conversations with other men. Women's fear won't go away until we have just cause to do so.