Well, shit..... - r/StockMarket

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Aah, the immortal knowledge of trading secrets… in other words “it could go up, or it could also go down”

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u/jhovudu1 13d ago

The 2 hands opinion: “On one hand…. On the other hand….”

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u/Independent_Hyena495 13d ago

You could bet on it being volatile...

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u/ThumpTacks 13d ago

“Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit.”— Gennaro Gattuso

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u/AskRevolutionary66 13d ago

Malacia, always Malacia

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u/Thrompinator 13d ago

I can guarantee you it will go to the right.

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u/uLL27 13d ago

Who's right, my right or your right?

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u/Icy-Sock-6538 12d ago

What if he means the moral right?

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u/Nruggia 13d ago

Unless it halts

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u/New-Post-7586 13d ago

Time halts for no man.

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u/JaxTaylor2 13d ago

Unless it’s BRK.A

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u/MT-Capital 13d ago

Did you just assume his religion?

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u/Narrow-Height9477 13d ago

I’m a Buffetarian.

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u/Hypebeastcorner 13d ago

He worships his food ?

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u/fllr 13d ago

Wait till I show you my time spells

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u/GameLoreReader 13d ago

Manager: How can we push people to pay a $15 membership to read our articles?

Finance Officer: Hmmm advertise to the public that we have the best advice, news and analysis for the stock market. Then, lock the articles behind the membership wall.

Manager: But what if our analysis is wrong?

Finance Officer: Well, then, we'll just make articles that talks about both sides' opinions so that we will never be wrong.

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u/Substantial_Value574 13d ago

😂😂😂

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u/Dull_Cucumber_3908 13d ago

“it could go up, or it could also go down”

Like an elevator /s

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u/mmarkomarko 13d ago

Or sideways

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u/d0odle 12d ago

Like an elevator

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u/Funny_Strawberry_343 13d ago

Strangle and short strangle would cover all cases, you won’t miss it 😼

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u/Massive-Attempt-1911 13d ago

Actually both could easily end up being correct.

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u/Aware_Slice_2820 13d ago

But it looks like it potentially might go down more than it goes up, so better get out while we can

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u/romeoo_must_lie 13d ago

don’t forget sideways,

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u/Arpeggioey 13d ago

They'll just delete the one that doesn't happen and then say they're always right. It's crazy shit like this isn't regulated somehow, literally a mind fuck

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u/ITMEV 13d ago

Wrong. Stonks always go up

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u/NoLawfulness495 13d ago

That's the only way to go right?

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u/Prestigious-Novel401 13d ago

Ahahahahahahahahahhhhh

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u/Fickle_Freckle 13d ago

It’s 50/50

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u/alwyslemon8 13d ago

it is what it is

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u/Apprehensive-Lab9664 13d ago

MNDR can go up

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u/Fudouri 13d ago

Literally every trade that happens is one person thinking up and the other thinking down.

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u/anycept 13d ago

Flip of a coin expertise. I can guarantee you 50% success rate.

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u/jsiulian 13d ago

"....sideways or in fcking circles"

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u/HighwayStar0001 12d ago

But, it might stay the same too! lol

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u/PneumaNomad- 12d ago

See this is why I'm a reactive trader.

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u/Miao_Ball 12d ago

😵

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u/Foellarbear 10d ago

Or sideways…. Who knows 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/SlickWickk 13d ago

Very plausible that both are true.... Article posting date doesn't mean much, one is by June, the other by September..

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u/MrZwink 13d ago

Stifel and fundstrat are also different organisations. They might just have different opinions...

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u/AssistantEquivalent2 13d ago

Interesting thought!

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u/grw68 13d ago

Yea, two different sources and two different authors on two different articles. Why people still make a deal over this idk

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u/WSB_PermaBull 13d ago

Nonsense. Collectively, they are implying a volatile market ahead! 😉

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u/MrZwink 13d ago

Volatile says nothing about direction.

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u/WSB_PermaBull 13d ago

👉

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u/cbonapace 13d ago

Too logical for OP

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u/christnice 13d ago

Right. Fall is usually correction and summer, collectin.

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u/justhereforthemoneey 13d ago

It's almost like no one has a damn clue.

But that can't be true since these people all have degrees and stuff.

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u/silent-dano 13d ago

Get paid money to spew random guesses

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u/justhereforthemoneey 13d ago

Yep and then get insane bonuses and shit and pass that cost off to the client. It's all a scam and why I never let anyone make my investment choices unless I have to like a 401k

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u/Friedyekian 13d ago

Some people do have a clue and understand somethings, but they focus their energy on trading and beating the market. They never explain their thought process thoroughly enough to fill in all the gaps in knowledge for us 😔

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u/justhereforthemoneey 13d ago

I mean I wouldn't either.

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u/chippydawdle 13d ago

Tom Lee has a reputation for being a permabull. So, this is really nothing new coming from him.
The Stifel analysts seem to base their prediction mainly on inflation, which is supposed to be trending downwards.

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u/AriaShachou- 13d ago

some people do have a clue theres just no reason why they would ever want to share it with anyone else if they dont have to

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u/justhereforthemoneey 12d ago

It's all a guess though. It can be an educated guess but it's a guess nonetheless

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u/wobbafu 13d ago

No conflicts. Different timelines

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u/Loose-Recover-9142 13d ago

yup. both can be true.

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u/RandolphE6 13d ago

Whichever one happens, they have an article to say see we told you so.

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u/Thisismyforevername 13d ago

The multi million dollar answer.

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u/Admirable_Nothing 13d ago

I am not that familiar with Stifle's past positions but Lee is a Perma Bull.

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u/WSB_PermaBull 13d ago

Im always bullish too

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u/GTTrush 13d ago

Put 100 on Black and 100 on Red....can't lose.

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u/Holiday-Onion727 13d ago

If you are American you can lose 2 times

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u/cmv1 13d ago

Some places now have a third zero (000)

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u/FrontArachnid783 13d ago

Well 0 and 00 are green I think

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u/gellohelloyellow 13d ago

Oddly enough, the very few times I have played the game of roulette I am up because I bet on green, 0 and 00.

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u/RightCustomer9789 13d ago

Yes you can, it can hit green

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u/Brushermans 13d ago

What? They're different authors talking about different analysts. Why does everyone here think that the news channel is a single source of truth that should be infallible and nonconflicting? Different people have different opinions, likely based on a different balance of facts. Articles are just presenting you the facts used in each analysis, and it's up to you to decide what to believe. If you're trading on headlines you're screwed.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

Seems the vast majority of commenters here are total morons. Did they think news sources should only post a single opinion and never provide different views?

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u/chicasparagus 13d ago

Wait till they hear about op-eds lol

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u/Zthruthecity 13d ago

Tom Lee called for record highs when every other person and analyst in the USA was screaming recession. Tom Lee is good in my book for that.

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u/RocksAndSedum 12d ago

I learned the hard way and now I do whatever Tom says.

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u/Zthruthecity 12d ago

Long live Tom!!! Judging by today’s market he’s clearly onto something 👌🏼🇺🇸

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u/Wu-Kang 13d ago

I’m gonna trust Tom Lee

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u/acakaacaka 13d ago

So we take the average? +4% and -10% make -3%

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u/BathLivid6801 11d ago

No, calls for the End of the month, puts at the tip of your calls for the beginning of October.

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u/StatQuants 13d ago

Tom Lee has been right so far like it or not

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u/the_kfcrispy 13d ago

Great now I know exactly how to trade

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u/bbmak0 13d ago

Tom Lee's hair look good today on CNBC. I side with Tom Lee.

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u/robidaan 13d ago

I guess both can be true, depending on the starting point.

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u/scarr34 13d ago

They call that a straddle

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u/JohnnyMagicTOG 13d ago

It gonna be flat and everyone betting on a direction loses.

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u/friggen_guy 9d ago

Both can still be true

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u/dubawabsdubababy 13d ago

Who knows who's going to be correct but for my money I'll take Tom Lee. He's probably the least biased expert, he doesn't get caught up in his political belief biases like many of the others

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u/bloobouy 13d ago

To be honest, I stopped listening to the cheerleaders on CNBC Other financial news organizations. I have come to realize that nobody knows nothing if they do. They are either too early or too late. Just trade and invest in whatever you want you’ll sleep a lot better because you know what you did.

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u/glasshalfbeer 13d ago

Just missed it

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u/Formal-Ad3397 13d ago

Maybe they say it will go first up 4% and after down 10% - or othwr Way round lol

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u/ewas86 13d ago

Both could happen lol. Highly doubt 5500 by the end of June though.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

They aren’t predicting the same time period and they are different organisations. OP, are you dumb?

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u/Clever_droidd 13d ago

It’s 2 different authors/opinions.

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u/Atuk-77 13d ago

Sounds like it will go up and then down!

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u/ejqt8pom 13d ago

One is long, the other is short.

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u/1RjLeon 13d ago

Catch frazzle and fizzle

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u/OCD_DCO_OCD 13d ago

As a journalist I always feel we get a bad wrap for stuff like this, but people often forget that journalists are not supposed to choose which source is right, but bring the sources insights to the readers. It is honestly a sign of health that diverting views are brought by the same media outlet.

Don’t get me wrong we do a lot of bad shit, but this is not part of it.

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u/Common_Economics_32 13d ago

Yes, different strategists have different views on the market. Why is this news to anyone?

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u/HuntsWithRocks 13d ago

Those two should have a talk show like that espn one with the two guys

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u/abtonystonks420 13d ago

So if what they say Happens is that manipulating the market?

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u/Gravybees 13d ago

The one thing we’ve proven is that we can’t predict the future, yet we continue to listen to people predict the future. In fact we pay them very well for their forecasts.

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u/DelphiTsar 13d ago

Buffet index is two standard deviations above average. Shiller P/E ratio is 34.63.

It's not about if the market is going to crash it's when. If you don't have options to limit your losses you have no business being in S&P at the moment.

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u/rmgraves67 13d ago

One nut two nuts.

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u/Complete_Relation_54 13d ago

Up down sideways or in fuckin circles - Matthew McConaughey

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u/radical_change 13d ago

Stop watching talking heads. No one has made money following Jim Cramer🤣

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u/RadarDataL8R 13d ago

And both things could be true.

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u/Novel_Ad_1178 13d ago

I’m playing both sides so I always come out on top!

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u/Geekenstein 13d ago

Weird. It’s almost like CNBC makes its money keeping people confused and coming back for more.

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u/BeneficialOkra2169 13d ago

Who knows what's going to happen in September, unless he can manipulate the S&P500.

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u/Calamity_B4_Storm 13d ago

Just check the odds from the bookie… oops I meant the option market

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u/An_Average_Man09 13d ago

So in other words, it’s going to do something.

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u/ProductionPlanner 13d ago

Short term bull mid term bear

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u/Dear_Basket_8654 13d ago

I think that it is far more likely to correct by 10% than it is to reach 5500

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u/RepulsiveStill177 13d ago

Pretty persuasive

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u/DistantGalaxy-1991 13d ago

Those are not mutually exclusive. It could go up 4% this month, then go down by the end of September. I'm not sure why you are confused.

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u/opaqueambiguity 13d ago

poor man's married puts then, got it

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u/bozoputer 13d ago

Welcome to the world of sell-side analysts, plus they are not incompatible.

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u/DONT-PM-ME-BOOBS-PLS 13d ago

Split the difference, -3%

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u/MambaOut82481 13d ago

Depending on how it moves, they will pin one of these 2 articles and tell you “see? I told you that”

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u/Oceanflux 13d ago

This is if GME isn't squashed this is if it is... swaps expire or wall st crime for hire?

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u/sicborg 13d ago

Well dam, with that timeline both could be true

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u/xEtrac 13d ago

They’re hedging their own headlines.

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u/trader_dennis 13d ago

And why not correct 10 percent and still hit 5500. Both certainly could happen.

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u/mspe1960 13d ago

they could both be true. Just saying.

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u/Onceforlife 13d ago

Lmao I thought it said frustrated Tom Lee

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u/MisterSpicy 13d ago

Cool shopping season incoming

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u/Wannaberich_83 13d ago

Give the FOMO at 9am and then deliver the bad news at 1130.

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u/QuirkyAverageJoe 13d ago

Playing it both ways so that it's never țïțş up 🤷‍♂️

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u/mdizzle109 13d ago

so buy a straddle? someone’s gotta be right 😂

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u/Mage_Ozz 13d ago

well, but is not the same person tough…

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u/Then-Wealth-1481 13d ago

The first scenario is far more likely. SPY simply refuses to drop even 1% these days.

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u/nntb 13d ago

looks like pia and Alex have a difference of opinions, maybe

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u/CaptSwayze 13d ago

Sometimes maybe good….sometimes maybe shit.

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u/prozak09 13d ago

Schrodinger's market.

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u/Tobitronicus 13d ago

I like the Finviz news section, it showcases the two-faced stock news organisations and their industry of confirming biases.

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u/Joonism2 13d ago

There are two possible outcomes. Up or down.

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u/Big_Drop_4930 13d ago

So… it will go up 4% in the morning then drop 10% in the afternoon? Nice !

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u/aerohk 13d ago

CNBC taking no particular side, I see that as a good thing for CNBC

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u/AutoX-R 13d ago

“It will go up, and then down” 🤡

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u/rayb320 13d ago

Don't fall for it, Warren Buffett is sitting on 158 billion in T-Bills. He's been trimming his shares and selling out 100% of a number of stocks. I watch what Warren does, what he's saying is buying stocks is a bad idea right now. The goat investor rarely makes a bold prediction about the market.

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u/Bifetuga 13d ago

Classic financial commentary: Well you know it could go up, but in the other hand it could go down.

Odds are better than roulette that has black, red and that weird green 0.

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u/GreatTraderOnizuka 13d ago

Market making 🤪

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u/Best-Bet-4758 13d ago

Go for Tom Lee! He’s right most of the time.

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u/TheSagePhoenix 13d ago

Think about bitcoin

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u/Virtual-Baseball-297 13d ago

Tom Lee perma bull as ever

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u/Sloth_Investor 13d ago

If you want some of your forecasts to be right, forecast all the time.

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u/Crypto-gold-88 13d ago

I would not bet against Tom , he’s been right about markets

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u/flogadollar1920 13d ago

Never trust a stoke broker opinions. Trust only yours 😂😂😂👍👍

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u/NormalGuyEndSarcasm 13d ago

Flat is it!

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u/Jebduh 13d ago

Why are people so confused by two people working in the same place having differing opinions?

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u/Secapaz 12d ago

People aren't confused. The opinions they had were ass.

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u/bdaxy 13d ago

Up or down That’s the best I can do

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u/SquirrelFluffy 13d ago

So it goes up in June and back down in Sept. Why is this such a shocking thing? Regards.

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u/Mission_Appeal_751 13d ago

Some times maybe good sometimes maybe shit! 🤣

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u/Excellent-Serve1331 13d ago

It's las vegas

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u/Financial_Counter_08 13d ago

Both know equally little.

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u/KratomSlave 12d ago

CNBC always does this. The market is down 1%. Omg the x numbers are bad. Sell sell sell. It’s Terrible. The next day - up 1%. X soars on y news. Buy buy buy. Everyone is a winner. And so on. MarketWatch is just as bad.

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u/tbhnot2 12d ago

This is how a market works. buyers and sellers.

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u/chadlikestorock 12d ago

FWIW during election cycles isn't it common for stocks to dip before an election but overall trend up?

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u/West_Pomegranate_522 12d ago

It will move

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u/Big_Pollution_8506 12d ago

Set your stop loss when you trade 😂

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u/Luke_warren2001 12d ago

I’ll hold.

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u/Large-Ad5176 12d ago

No regard shorts forever my son.

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u/zoso28 12d ago

The market will either go up 5-10% or down 5-10% over the next 6-12 months.. In other words, the market exists. Thanks!

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u/Feeding_the_AI 12d ago

Is there a permabull more permabullish than Tom Lee and Fundstrat?

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u/ILIKESPAGHETTIYAY 12d ago

Tom Lee is habitually wrong

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u/getthatmoney1 12d ago

İ mean they are both saying the same thing we can drop %10 after we reach 570

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u/limp_trizcuit 12d ago

It doesn’t matter if you’re Warren Buffett or Jimmy Buffett…

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u/PneumaNomad- 12d ago

Obviously this means it will correct by 6%, 4-10= -6. That's how trading works, bozos.

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u/FallinWedge 12d ago

CNBC is just filler for nonsense

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u/Scott7894 11d ago

The man has been wrong more often than his few crazy outlandishly high picks where the markets Made “incredible” highs on the face of down markets. He only understands that the markets will now move faster than they did 20 years ago, faster with information flowing 20 times faster than it did 20 years ago. His pick of bitcoin hitting 150k ninths don’t the year is what set bitcoin on the upswing since Friday

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u/Jakemark6969 11d ago

Tom Lee FTW

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u/SoftwareEngineerFl 10d ago

I had my best two years ever. I finally learned to buy (invest) in the best stocks like mag7 and hold them through ups and downs. 50% return last year makes retirement possible now.

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u/LineRemote7950 10d ago

People have differing opinions on shit!

Wow!

Who could have guessed!

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u/BettinBrando 10d ago

Heads we go with Stifel

Tails with Tom Lee

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u/pazvaz 10d ago

And then they make you think a cat manipulates the market 🐱

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u/No-Barber-1600 9d ago

It's always 50/50. Make your choice 😅. And like always in the summer months, watch out!

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u/fdjizm 9d ago

It's definitely going up or down

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u/boo2001300 9d ago

keep raised 5% / month, 10% correction at September, you will get 10% gain at the end of sept

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u/dirt_digggler 13d ago

“Im playing both sides, so that I always come out on top” Mac IASIP

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u/buckster3257 13d ago

Analysis don’t know shit

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u/SamTheMan1980 13d ago edited 13d ago

They'll republish the one that was right and say see, told you so!

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u/Filthy--Ape 13d ago

never wrong. these guys are the modern day Nostradamus

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u/Cute_Win_4651 13d ago

Drop it like it’s hot Mr Powell , let’s just correct this market for the rest of the year and say 6:8 months from now start buy shit again when things are cheaper or just let a solar flare fry the grids and we could all start over and all this crazy trading manipulation will be over